Ahemmmmm…
It’s wild when you see it on film. Usually it’s the line guy just standing there so you think the tanks were rolling up and just stopped. But they tried to get around lol
Honestly tho. This is what the world should be doing to anyone who has more food than they can eat, more toys, works less, and makes decisions that affect your own life.
We are the Citadel of Ricks but we long forgot that we are all, the same Rick.
Tankies hate this one weird trick
It’s really echoey in here today.e
Reminder that Donald Trump admires the Tiananmen Square massacre and told Playboy all about it in an interview right after it happened
Reminder that Israel crushes so many people under tanks that it traumatizes their soldiers, and slavish devotion to them is bipartisan.
And look - china came out on top.
And guess what - they have uhc, guaranteed vacations and u don’t.
China does not have universal health care (if that’s what “uhc” means).
Source: I live here.
If u break your leg - is hospital going to turn u away?
If u don’t have insurance - are u going to owe 200k for broken leg?If you cant pay for treatment - do they take your house?
I think u maybe confused about what universal health care is.
If u break your leg - is hospital going to turn u away?
They will do the minimum amount of care to stabilize you and if you can’t pay, send you away.
If u don’t have insurance - are u going to owe 200k for broken leg?
Not 200K. Not even in RMB. A broken leg will be a few hundred. But yes, if you do not have insurance you’re paying.
If you cant pay for treatment - do they take your house?
If you can’t pay for treatment you may just die. A student of mine got hit by a bus and took tremendous head trauma. The surgery for this was 30,000RMB. He was from the countryside so he and his family didn’t have 30,000 RMB. He got no treatment beyond basic stabilization until his classmates and teachers gathered up a substantial portion of that 30,000. Then they saved his life.
In. That. Order.
I think u maybe confused about what universal health care is.
I think you may have no clue what you’re talking about vis a vis China.
Now all that being said, if you’re employed at all, by anybody, anywhere, you automatically have health insurance, mandated by law. And, being state-run insurance firms, they’re not the utter steaming shitpile that American “health insurance” is. But if you’re not employed, or if you’re self-employed, you either get insurance on your own, or you pay out of pocket. There is no universal health care.
P.S.
An AMERICAN telling a CANADIAN that she doesn’t know what universal health care is is hilarious. Also, an American telling someone who’s been living in China for almost a quarter of a century how China really works is even more hilarious.
What’s next? Are you going to tell me what the city of Wuhan is really like?
I think it’s pretty awesome that the tank drivers didn’t flatten the guy.
They did, however, flatten many other students with tanks during that protest.
They didn’t, they beat them to death in the side streets and disappeared known leaders, get it right!
Also the diplomatic cable that refers to armor units attacking the protestors in the Square which was denied by journalists on site specified APCs, jeez.
Yeah, in the West they would have just rolled right over the top of him.
(Incidentally, it’s interesting that westerners post this - truncated - clip almost constantly, yet most of them have never even seen a photo of Rachel Corrie)
Incidentally, thousands of people were killed in Tiananmen Square. Even today, people are being oppressed for even talking about it.
I think Chinese did the right thing. Look where they now.
I think it’s not awesome that DeepSeek isn’t allowed to talk about this subject whatsoever
Why did you cut off the part where he climbs up the tank and starts yelling at the tank driver?
Why is the clip zoomed in to not show that the tank is driving away from the square?
there are multiple versions of the clip and the associated lore floating around and if you don’t spend enough time with what happened at the time you can easily be convinced of a variety of viewpoints
The cut off clip is meant to imply a lot of things which did not happen.
Occam’s razor, you’re on the Internet, bad crops are practically a meme. Personally, I distinctly remember watching the entire uncropped video multiple times throughout grade school and high school in the US
because its propaganda designed to make china look as bad as the us empire.
its bad but it doesnt even compare so far.
Jeff Widener, the photographer who took this photo, describes the protests. He wasn’t feeling well because a protester had smashed him in the head with a rock. His description starts at 2m30s.
Wait until the tankies come in here to tell you that he’s a patriot trying to stop them from leaving the square so they could continue to keep the peace
Can the tankies even see the gif?
This gif that’s objectively depicting tanks leaving the square?
Prolly, I’m on ml
WHY are you on ml, though, if you’re not a tankie?
It said technology oriented, self-hosting, privacy stuff and I didn’t know any better. It doesn’t seem to degrade my experience, I browse what I browse. I haven’t bothered to move, mostly out of laziness
Pretty much the same for me. I’m a FLOSS developer and it made sense to join the host closest to the development of Lemmy. I don’t really follow any of the more political groups, I’m mostly here for the science, trek and programming memes. I guess I’ll have to test the subscription portability if the home server gets more widely de-federated though.
There’s more kinds of Communist than Stalinist.
Of course, but .ml is mostly by and for Marxist-Leninists aka Stalinists aka tankies.
Dessalines himself banned me for a month from several communities (including technology and memes) for very mildly criticizing Chinese government authoritarianism in a comment in the .ml world politics community and that’s very typical of ml moderation.
What was the comment you got banned for?
Damn they sound based
Fuck em. Let em come.
They think it’s AI generated.
That they are leaving the square is literally an undisputable fact though. Are undisputed facts “tankie” now?
In the US they run over protesters. Just sayin.
Based on some of the other comments you’re making, yes more than one country can be bad. And the crazy part is it doesn’t justify either country, both are still bad
Is there a forty year old truncated clip of a protestor not being harmed in America that you endlessly reposted, including every time America is mentioned? Or do you just do that with China?
Liberals always tell me to support the lesser evil when it’s election time, but when I apply that logic to geopolitics they get mad lol
When it comes to voting you are presented with a choice. You can abstain, but you will have to live with the result. You lose nothing by making as best of a choice as you can. To date I’ve not once been presented with the option to move to a new country, but if either were better I would chose the best option for myself even if neither is ideal.
Both can still be bad options, but I find it hard to believe that neither is better than the other.
Functionality when it comes to geopolitics I get absolutely no choice on it, so there’s not really a point in ranking evil unless I get the opportunity to chose. Then I absolutely will rank evils to find the best place for myself
By your logic, there’s not really a point in declaring evil. You might as well have no opinion about any of this.
Why even learn about geopolitics or other countries in the first place? You get “absolutely no choice on it” after all.
You might as well say nothing at all.
I see no point in ranking evil, however my country does interact on a global stage and theoretically that is guided by our representatives that the people chose. It’s good to stay informed and know which countries regularly abuse human rights. It’s a long list.
Ideally I will be able to vote for a canidate that does not want to funnel money to Israel, they are perpetuating a genocide after all. If one is not available I’ll go down a long list of issues to determine the best choice.
i do see a point.
one is meddling in my country and is raising hell all over the planet.
the other hasn’t dropped a single bomb in more than 50 years.
And I try to choose representatives that will keep their hands off China.
One more commonality between China and the US.
Tank man didn’t get run over.
Do people not know this?
No, it just caused a giant massacre when they didn’t run him over. Much better.
What?
What exactly do you think happened?
How does that make sense?
They didn’t run this guy over as they were leaving the square well after the events of that night had ended. I don’t believe there’s any proven record of tanks killing anyone at all (specifically tanks, I’m not denying that there was bloodshed).
I’ve seen a few photos of bodies that looked run over. But nothing that rises to that insane claim that sometimes floats around that they mushed a crowed and washed them down the drain.
No, because the whole thing wasn’t commonly aired, most people I ever heard talking about invented a completely different ending which they swore they saw.
No, Not Tank man. But Feng Zhang for example.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_Zhang
This guy? Doesn’t look like he got run over to me.
Mixed up vowels: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fang_Zheng
Based on the fact that he got medical attention and based on the tanks explicitly not running over Tank Man, I’m inclined to think this was an accident.
Well, the tankies are correct on that one.
we usually come to point out that if this event was so brutal why didn’t this guy get run over?
are you guys aware this guy has a friendly chat with the driver afterwards, right? all captured on camera too, i’m pretty sure there are close up photos beyond just the video.
why do liberals love using this image as some symbol of chinese evil.
Wonder what his name is
slim shady
By that you mean some people run over to him, escort him away, and nobody ever saw him again or learned his identity?
he literally goes back to the crowd with a bunch of other people.
but i’m sure they secretly took him to another place later, where he was run over by a tank. off camera this time.
???
Citing objective geographic reality of the tanks leaving the square makes one a tankie?
Are you people on fucking shrooms?
Guys check this out, maps and directions are tankie now lmfao what’s next, GPS is a communist mind control satellite constellation?
Acknowledging objective facts does seem to be the main thing western liberals hate tankies for, yes
Lack of reading comprehension claims yet another victim
I swear they edited it
Either that or the weed was stronger than I expected
There’s an edit icon next to the comment so you have that going for you.
I edited the word patriot when my phone originally autocorrected to parrot, if you’re talking about me.
He’s lucky it isn’t an Israeli tank, else he would have gotten run over.
Guess Feng Zhang just dropped his legs on the floor because he didn’t want them.
Americans (in 1775): Declares war with one of the most powerful empires in history over taxes
The French: Decapitates the upper classes due to hoarding wealth and creating class imbalance
Haitians: Fights against their former masters in the name of freedom and the end of slavery
The French (again): Fights back against one of the most cruel regimes in history to free their occupied homeland from Nazi rule
Americans (now): “Oh I hope that if the message on my sign is passive aggressive enough the fascists will leave the government out of shame.”
It’s not that bad for white people yet
The Boston Tea party got started because of a tax cut from the British Empire. It was a whole different bunch declaring war than what people are lead to believe.
Yeah, you need the wealthy with time and resources to be on your side or else you are just the peasants revolting which they all already think we are.
No, you need crime. The tax cut would have affected the tea smuggling profits.
Yeah. The smugglers were making bank though.
Its kinda the rule that the government is filled with old mafia once they realize they can make a lot of money being the government.So I guess in this case we need the companies that are acting as mafia to want the change. Which brings us back to the wealthy.
gro-cer-ies…such a strange and mythical word
Some people call it food.
You have titled this as though nobody has ever seen it before.
I titled it to poke at 'murica for their inaction against their dictatorial regime because it is affecting my family and my country.
That’s a deep cut, and I missed it.
I’m sorry that my government is making a mess for you and yours. But please don’t think that there is a lack of action. There have been basically nonstop (very liberal and mostly toothless) protests since before the election even, but the news refuses to report on them. Furthermore, there is a LOT going on from folks who would rather not advertise how they are resisting.
A resistance to a fascist government cannot, by it’s nature, be public facing, so you’ll never know everything that people are sacrificing and doing every day. But they are. We are.
Then do something about it instead of the laziest thing imaginable. Let me know when I can expect to see you in the news for your brave actions.
I am Canadian. You continue to not act and I am just as fucked as you. We will mount a resistance though. Many are already economically by supporting a very prominent buy Canada campaign, cross border travel has decreased by ~40% over a year ago from Canada to the US, our government has instituted reciprocal tarrifs and laid out a plan to defend the country I am certain. There is even a rumor circulating that Canada started a world wide slow selloff of American Treasury bonds that I certainly hope is true because honestly, it would be a master stroke of genius.
Many individuals are openly preparing for war. Taking classes, buying guns, training for first aid, joining mutual aid orgs, saving money to fly their kids out of country if they can, when it becomes necessary. Hell, yesterday we had record turnout for voting at advanced polls for our federal election. I and the rest of my country are doing our part at home thank you.
Funny that we can see what’s necessary as can the rest of the world but you are blind to it and fight against recognising it for what it is.
I am also doing something else. I am coming to Lemmy every day. I am consistently challenging American exceptionalism and individualism like yours, in the face of personal attacks and possible doxing.
Here’s the Canadian…
I’m sorry but you will likely be lumped in with the regime when the world comes knocking, as inaction is seen as blatantly approving of the actions of your dictator. Just a little bit from Nuremberg.
Americans are protesting
https://bsky.app/profile/50501movement.bsky.social
Now those are organized weekly, there’s also a continuous protest starting in DC on May https://maydaymovementusa.org/
Bernie Sanders also has Fight the Oligarchy Tour that was highly successful even in the very red states.
The biggest problem though is that this time majority of media bent the knee, and tries to not report, and when they do, minimize the attendance.
It seems like that unfortunately also affects international coverage.
You are governed by a dictator who has unlimited power enshrined by your highest court. He will not be stopped without agression. He is not the type to step down I’m sure you know.
My very liberal, anti gun Canadian friends are literally training at the range every week right now and just bought their first guns. They aren’t the only ones.
I’d encourage you to step up your game.
Got it. So you want to tell people how they should use violence while you sit around pretending to be doing something. How long do you need to sit around & prepare. Should I plan on seeing your declaration of war in the next week or so?
Don’t feel bad you’re lazy and can’t manage to stand up for yourself. It’s ok. The camps will be fun. Just like summer when you were a kid.
When I have the opportunity to use violence against incursion by your fascist regime into my country I will. As of yet I have no reason to be violent. We’re a peaceful country for the most part. You on.the other hand…
I got in “the paper.”
Oh my God that tank was going out of its way too run that guy over! /s
I saw the full video, he eventually climbs up the tank and then is forcefully taken away. He never gets run over.
*taken away by other protesters, not the army, to be clear
What happened to the guy in this after? Iv been meaning to look it up
He gets taken away by some bystanders and no one is sure who he or the other people were. There is speculation online, but no definitive evidence.
Nothing. He climbed up on the tank and started yelling at the driver.
