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Love that this is the standard for Lemmy.
Spineless liberals ….
We marched together for the eight hour day though.
The closer I get to middle age the less time I got
Let’s MOVE PEOPLE HORIZONTAL ORGANIZATION OR DEATH
No time for punctuation get rid of that apostrophe you poser
Liberals are the adults in the room trying to keep the conservatives from killing anyone they don’t like and the progressives from killing themselves or each other.
Liberals are the true enlightened centrists here of course.
Where are these progressives that are trying to kill each other?
Same place as the ones building an effective party or have a seat in government I guess.
Nice moving the goalposts. I assume you’re from the US, where is your effective liberal party? That has a seat in federal government that is able to effect any legislative change?
Leftists, especially social democrats, but even socialists have been in government and have passed legislation that created systems like universal healthcare, unemployment insurance, family allowances, pensions, maternity leave. Just not in the US. The reason you don’t have all that is because you spend more time fighting against progressives than doing anything else.
And gloating as a liberal that “well, progressives just can’t get into government” after making such a shitshow of governance and campaigning that you got Trump elected twice is ghastly.
Idk I feel like liberals are responsible for enabling people like trump by always trying to maintain the status quo of capitalist growth and the illusion that access to marketplaces = rights. In the case of women, of lgbtq folks, of brown people, etc. I feel like they are half the whole problem. They are also in service to capital, and perpetuate the myth that you can serve your community with integrity while also taking in loads of cash from large organization as a politician
I’d say liberals are less responsible for Trump than the people who voted for him or decided to not vote.
I do know women, LGBTQ folks and people of visible minorities were getting better treatment until Trump and the GOP stepped it back twice rather severely.
While I’m not against McCarthyism-Lennonism I don’t see it working on a large scale.
Those are fair viewpoints. I’m no marxist-leninist. But I will say, capitalism doesn’t work on large scale either. So why keep it around?
Edit: in other words I think what you say is accurate but doesn’t address the problems I brought up about liberals
Because capitalism does work well for many countries but you have to keep the population educated much like you have to vaccinate against diseases.
America stopped doing both effectively a while back and now we’re seeing the consequences.
Agreed but captialism must be strickly counter-balanced with things that empower people, like strong unions, higher taxes on wealth, and so forth.
The thing though is that, capitalism, when followed to the letter, causes this decline in education.
If every couple of decades you get a right wing faux populist uprising somewhere, then it’s not an abberation of the system. It’s how the system cycles around.
That’s why I used the vaccine analogy because education is supposed to train the population to deal with issue like that before they get elected president.
And yet, here we are. And not just in America. In much of Europe, they’re celebrating being able to keep their right wing faux populist parties at bay. Just the fact that it got to the need to do that means something went wrong.
capitalism does work well for many countries
At the expense of others, and usually only for a while.
They say never meet your heroes and they’re right.
I never thought SMCF would be spineless.
Pro tip for you adults: You have to actually win elections once in a while.
Idk what made you think they were radical
This is more about who you’re choosing as heroes.
I would love to see progressives start a party or take over the DNC but that would require them to do something besides bitch about democrats.
Progressives have been doing the most out of any political bloc, and certainly more than establishment Democrats. If the DNC leadership weren’t acting as a barrier to getting anything done then progressives wouldn’t have to split their time and efforts between fighting them and fighting the fascists.
If you think that the only thing progressives have been doing is “bitching” about Democrats you need to pull your head out of your ass (or perhaps Chuck Schumer’s) and look at reality.
MAGA took over the GOP and progressives can’t take over the DNC?
Be the change.
Luigi strain?
🎤 “…and you’re a spineless lib-ur-al” 🎶
As a suicide-surviving progressive, you’re not wrong.
It’s not fair to call them bootlickers.
They are people who may be persuaded to apply a lingual polish to certain footwear if the poll numbers say it might help them lose by less than 5%.
To be a bootlicker would require decisiveness that liberals do not have. Otherwise they wouldn’t be liberals.
