If it’s so legal, why we don’t have the stl for it ?
We do. There are Glock frame stls everywhere. I didn’t look into this as I’ve fallen out of the print shoot repeat community cause of arthritis keeping me from enjoying it. But there are no less than a hundred files luigi could have gotten from a certain “odd to see” website.
Making your own firearms has always been legal in America. And it’s not exactly easy. Even 3D printed guns take a lot of work.
Strictly speaking, if you want a reliable firearm you are much better off getting one made out of steel than composite plastics.
I did a p80 build and would consider it more reliable than anything made in layers, and it is still collecting non existent dust in a safe cause of its issues. But Glocks are considered the gold standard of reliability and they are plastic lowers.
Most 3D printed guns use commercially available parts for the pressure bearing components.
A 3D printed Glock uses a slide and barrel bought from Glock. The only 3D printed part is the frame, which is the only part that has to be serialized.
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and test-fired it.
Nice. What CEO did you choose?
It was a test shot, they probably just found a landlord or something.
That is wasteful. There are a lot of corrupt politicians out there.
Perfect is the enemy of the good.
Found Sam’s mom!
Worth it.
That brings up an interesting point. If I manufacture and sell a gun as “the CEO annihilator”, would it be legal? If not, why?
Probably legal, but not practical. Suppliers would probably start refusing to work with you. Payment systems too.
Suppliers don’t ask what you’re using the filament for. Let’s say they did though.
Thanks to America’s legal system, you can use shell companies to move filament around to separate the supplier from the actual intended use.
Oh, I love playing devil’s advocate! (I want to make it clear I’m not arguing against you in any way, just bring up hypotheticals.)
Most large suppliers wouldn’t care, but if you get to anything resembling scale I would be more worried about payment companies. The fact weed store managers (even in legal states) are often targeted leaving for the night tells you all you need to know about that.
I’m not a lawyer, but you’d need a #7(?) FFL, and serialized and register the gun before selling it, if I’m not mistaken. Keeping it for yourself is the only legal way to do it without a paper trail. Also, some states have banned even that.
Just playing devil’s advocate again, not seeking anything see resembling smoke. But if they sell them as incomplete lowers, that should be fine so long as they don’t include functional hardware.
Rob Ski of the “AK Operator’s Union” YouTube channel used to sell on his webstore a rifle optics package he dubbed the “Goatfucker Annihilator”. I don’t recall him ever getting in trouble for it but he hasn’t sold anything like that for years. Presumably someone with the bare minimum amount of good taste advised him against it.
It was a Primary Arms prism optic paired with an RS Regulate mount IIRC.
If you go on PSA’s website and look for stripped AR lowers, you’ll probably find a bunch of crass shit like a " FJB-15." Point is, I think you could get away with it if you figuratively and literally stuck to your guns and didn’t make specific threats.
Assuming you had the proper licenses, it would be legal, but I suspect you’d find you’d get shut down through pressure from other directions. Almost nobody would be willing to facilitate that manufacture and sale.
I assume you would get suecided (Boeing style) before you would start production.
You mean the gun planted in his backpack?
Hypothetically:
If he did it. And if he stashed the gun. And then the cops planted a gun. Could he recount the events on the stand and reveal he stashed the gun, thus proving the cops are attempting to frame him?
This is nonsense. But, hypothetically…
Kinda worked for OJ in a fucked up way.
The court is capable of calling out more than one person. It could send him to prison for the original crime and also charge the police with a separate crime of trying to frame him.
Bad move. Your right to remain silent doesn’t mean you get to pick and choose which questions you answer on the stand should you choose to testify. Instead he could give plenty of information to his lawyer who could then rabidly attack the planted gun and prove malfeasance.
if your lawyer tells you to stfu, you stfu. the lawyer is better at lawyering than you 👍
Does he even 3D print?
My bet is he may have, but more likely it was some kinda 80% bs they are too stupid to recognize/have knowledge of
I wonder why they don’t work so well. Maybe I don’t understand how they operate but it seems like if the frame is in the correct precise shape it should work like a regular Glock.
Probably better for everyone that they don’t work like the real thing.
In The Philippines there is a thriving underground industry making illegal pistols from scratch. Last I heard the 1911 was the favorite, here’s a newer video from 2023
Hand machining precision parts to construct working firearms that are so identical to the originals that official parts or attachments would be interchangable… This is like a dream job for me. If I could stand living in the tropics, maybe I’d move to the Philippines…
Speaking of the tropics, in that video the workshop is exposed to the humid tropical air. I wonder how they deal with rust on their tools and swelling in the wooden tool handles.
At any rate, I say keep it up. Keep doing fine artisan work while simultaneously sticking to the man and earning a living. Very impressive.
Objects are more than their shape
If you made a Glock out of frozen custard, would you expect it to perform the same as the real deal?
But if you make a Glock out of steel, would you expect it to perform the same as the real deal?
Mostly, i’d say.
So it’s a lack of integrity of the 3D printed plastic? What’s a Glock made of, nylon?
I’m assuming you partially know the answer to that given nylon is a random thing to pull out if you didn’t
But it’s a specifically engineered polymer of nylon… And steel.
The problem with building rigid objects with 3d printers is that their weakest point is usually along the layer lines. So even if pieces of real firearms are made of nylon or ABS, they would be injection molded or use a process that forms more durable shapes.
Post processing can address most of that. Pack it in casting sand and heat it up again and let it cool.
I guess it’s nylon because that’s one of the hardest plastics we have. Many of my tools have “plastic” parts that are nylon.
Velma pulls off the mask and it’s an I-beam yelling about pesky kids
Bang bang part is metal
Yeah, I did know that. It’s just the frame that’s “plastic”. I remember years ago when they got popular some people were freaking out that a “plastic gun” could go though a metal detector and others had to correct them.
It’s the suppressor. Since most semi-auto pistols relies on the recoil from firing to cycle, adding a suppressor can mess up the cycling without a Nielsen device.
There are plenty of examples of unsuppressed pistols with 3d printed frames working just fine on yt
Seconded, this is the best explanation here. The browning action, on which most semi automatic pistol operate on, does not function well when a suppressor is added w/ out a Nielson device or ‘booster’.
The design is made assuming the barrel weighs ____ oz, if suddenly it weighs more then the reliability is impaired.
3d printed material has a lower tensile strength than injection molded or stamped materials. Most prints are weakest between the layers, and it’s not always immediately obvious where the weakened points are. Even the parts that don’t get hot or explode are moving and rubbing against other parts.
Gun parts are subjected to rigorous testing and grading. Not only do they know roughly how many uses before a part will break, but also what to look for on a worn or breaking part.
3d printed guns, you never know which bullet will be the last.
if the frame is in the correct precise shape
3D printing isn’t meant for production-level accuracy. It’s a prototyping technology that is good enough for a lot of different applications, but not when sub-millimeter precision is necessary.
Can you make something that works? Of course! Will it work as reliably as something made using better processes? Usually not.
You can definitely reliably get sub-millimeter precision with a consumer-grade 3d printer. Even with a 0.4mm nozzle, once dialed-in, you can make print-in-place models with a clearance of 0.1mm, and the default layer thickness is typically 0.2mm.
While layer adhesion is usually the weakness of 3d-printed parts, some materials like PETG or TPU have very good adhesion, to the point that printing on a glass plate can damage the glass when removing the model.
A tpu boaty ruined my pei mat and, after voidstar’s most recent video, it looks like current ones could be used for lowers.
Material shrinkage is another factor to consider, and there are a myriad of other reasons why there are more accurate ways to mass produce things.
Even assuming a perfect print - no blobs, no zits, and, just for the sake of argument, let’s ignore the Z seam - I disagree that you can reliably get 0.1 mm precision off of a FDM machine in all directions. I’ve been able to get parts to fit each other to within 0.3 mm reliably in the best conditions on a properly-calibrated Prusa MK3S+
But that’s just my experience.
Can you make something that works? Of course! Will it work as reliably as something made using better processes? Usually not.
Are you mad?!? My wife might read this!!
I give you my permission to “attack the source” on my comment since attacking the fact won’t get you far.
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“Alleged Ghost Gun” FTFY
Wonder how long that cop had it laying around?
I don’t even know if they are alleging it anymore. The chain of custody is entirely fucked, and the fact that it even leaked is going to make it hard to include at trial.
