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You only enslave yourself by learning to do absolutely nothing against what you see as oppressive.
You enslave others by consuming most common products on the shelves. Modern slavery (and child slavery) is more expansive than most know and third-world exploitation is rampant - western supply chains are not immune.
While you support the enslavement of others with your consumption, corporations continue to become more and more powerful.
You speak so right, that’s why I only buy Apple. I prefer to buy the slaves and free them with my money instead of cheaping on it and forcing the heavy hand of corporate whip.
We have to be responsible.
Your trolling aside, we all share a personal responsibility to not buy from companies that e.g. utilize cobalt/lithium in their products - slavery/child labor is rampant in those supply chains and Apple et. al are responsible for supporting it.
If there was no demand, these children wouldn’t be forced to work in mines - it’s that simple.
Well if we don’t buy it they lose their jobs and means to sustain themselves in that deserted hellhole. These companies are sometimes providing the only work they can do and stay employed. Once they move out it’s over for them
If you’re worried about these children losing their wonderful life in the mines, feel free to support them through other means.
Make it your life’s work to spread awareness, bring aid to the affected countries, and support their development - you only enslave yourself by learning to do absolutely nothing against what you see as oppressive.
And getting companies that profit off of these children to support them would likely be fair. Apple, Google, and many others can handle the hit.
Let’s not buy their products and see the 3rd world underpaid workforce get fired and die out of hunger. That will solve all the world problems
That was your solution. Exceedingly bright in a true internet way
When you put it that way, I guess we better hand over thousands every year to Apple for the new iPhone. Wouldn’t want a child slave to be unemployed.
Buy 10,000 disposable vapes every year while you’re at it (if you really care). Maybe a couple cents will trickle down to the children you claim to care about.
But we live in the 21st century?
Futurama came out in 1999
That is correct
How do you recognize a slave? There is no need for chains to make people work against their will.
Whoever dreads monday morning doesn’t have to be worried about slavery anymore.
I wish I could skip 1000 years ahead. Either we fixed thing or humanity has died out. I win either way.
I’m hoping it’s like “The Year 2525”
What about the year one million and a half? Giraffes might treat us better.
Can I get everything I need from the bottom of a long glass tube?
Yes but everything is shot straight up your ass. Food, news and entertainment. Straight up the ass through a tube.
1 man, 1 food, news, and entertainment
man. tube. food. camera. TV.
If man is still alive
If woman can survive, they may find
Or, it’s the same, we’re living and shit sucks.
True, but 1,000 years ago it sucked a lot more. Now we have some advantages. Even access to the internet is a good quality of life improvement compared to 1025 CE.
So maybe instead 1,000 years the inequality still exists, but technology has made things a little nice for the working class. It’s all about perspective.
Or the climate crisis and subsequent environmental collapse lead to a Mad Max hellscape
1,000 years ago it sucked a lot more
1000 years ago we didn’t have a surveillance state, climate collapse, tiktok, 4chan, drone strikes, school shootings, car accidents, car dependent infrastructure, pollution smog, microplastics, fox news, subscription services, hiring AI, police robots, the gig economy, leafblowers, overdraft fees, airbnb, overseas concentration camps, white phosphorous, fracking…
Yeah, there’s a lot of bad, but he’s right. On average, the vast majority of humanity is significantly better off than we were a thousand years ago.
Africa is struggling to recover from colonisation. The middle east is a warzone. The Americas and Australia are being occupied by invaders. Europe is in financial crisis. I don’t really know about east Asia. Even Antarctica is melting. Capitalism is worse for the worker than feudalism.
You don’t seem to understand the fact that the vast majority of humanity is still better off than we were a 1000 years ago even with the current bad.
China, India, The Americas, Australia, many parts of Africa? Life was good there.
Even Europe was not that bad. If you had many more free days, work that was meaningful and unprocessed food, how bad would it be to die earlier? In total, they still had more days of life for themselves.
Reminds me of the pilot episode. When Fry wakes up in 3000 and says ‘everyone I know is dead… YES!!!’
Well, the 2020s so far seem to resemble the 1930s surprisingly closely. So if we haven’t destroy us by then, chances are things won’t be that different.
Can you elaborate your win when humanity died out and you are the only one left?
Don’t have to get permission to live, fishing regulations no longer apply so it shouldn’t be too hard getting food. Also the sea and rivers won’t be polluted like they are now.
Or everything is polluted and that’s why humanity died
Are the fish adapted to a mercury rich environment safe to eat?
Mercury bears love them. You not so much.
Now makes me wonder how long it would take for the mercury to disappear from the environment.
Why would it disappear?
Through sedimentation, then it goes down into the earth back where it came. Not sure what kind of rate that process is though.
What if it’s full medieval and the king just ordered an expedition to the great library to bring back electricity?
Good news is, you’ll have memes back if you skip some years.
How???
Futurama s6e7 (or just 95) “The Late Philip J Fry”.
Now get off my lawn.
I’ll have to take a look
It’s one of my favorite episodes in the entire series, so definitely do have a look.
Heres the full song parody from futurama on youtube
I’m so enslaved! Waaahhh!
More like proprietary_bellend
Nice
You really don’t see what’s happening around you?
Let me just make sure we’re on the same page with a little maths problem: you have nine people and a Nazi eating dinner at the table together. How many Nazis are at the table?
That needs to be followed up with “Are you at that table?”.
No need, the answer tells enough.
But this makes it direct and forced self reflection on their part.
Not everyone who believes in capitalism is a nazi. You aren’t helping your cause by acting like this. Nobody should have to tell you this.
Capitalism has nothing to do with Nazism. If you find a capitalist throwing a sieg heil, they’re a Nazi. If you find a Buddhist or a Marxist or a Christian or literally anyone working with people who throw sieg heils, they’re a Nazi. If you (the general you, not you specifically) find yourself continuing to voice support for a president who didn’t immediately get rid of Musk after he sieg heil’d on TV TWICE, you’re a fuckin Nazi.
Nobody should have to tell you this.
Brother capitalism has a lot to do with Nazism. They’re intrinsically linked. Capitalism always devolves into fascism. It’s the end result.
Fascism is not Nazism, but Nazism is a flavour of fascism.
I do understand what you mean and historically you’re absolutely right, it has always devolved into fascism. I don’t think you can name a system of government that hasn’t either started there or ended up there. But that was a process, capitalism isn’t written that way on paper at all. The tenets don’t line up. Like how communism in practice has very little to do with fascism (the managed economy bits often look similar on paper, though).
Am I missing something here? Where did anyone express support for Trump? This is the first I have heard about him in this thread - unless I have missed something obvious here this topic along with Nazism has come out of nowhere. I thought this meme was about capitalist exploitation or something. When did US politics get involved?
Are you saying you’re a nazi?
The correct answer is “Ten Nazis”. We are clearly not on the same page - yours has a swastika on it.
Wrong but ok
Use your words. How is it “wrong”?
I don’t concern myself with the opinions of Nazis or Nazi collaborators. Get fucked.
I’m neither. And I will get fucked. Repeatedly. Don’t be too jealous with your nazi incel BS.
With what you said 1. Someone doesn’t have to be a good person, or be right, to coexist. Sitting at the same table as Pol Pot or Hitler isn’t enabling them.
If you sit with someone, and they say “death to all Jews”, and you DON’T immediately argue or leave - you are accepting their beliefs as valid.
No you’re not. That’s just fundamentally untrue. You’re accepting their beliefs if you repeat after them.
No, that’s agreeing.
Then you accept the beliefs of Nazis by your definition. After all, you haven’t killed any yet.
That’s not my definition. That’s you trying to deflect.
No, i neither argue with them of GTFO, like I said.
Unfortunately this is incorrect as far as these ideologies go. They’re fundamentally incompatible with the principles of a free democratic society and so cannot be tolerated by anyone who claims to uphold the values of a free democratic society. If claim to uphold those values, and you’re sitting at the table with those people: No you fucking don’t. “Good person” and “correct” do not enter the equation at any point.
Democracy is essentially always incompatible with a free society in the first place. Eating dinner with a Nazi isn’t helping Nazis seize power. You’ve probably met genuine sociopaths, people who want to kill or severely harm others. Should you pre-judge them? Is that actually useful for anything?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q5DoYyV5RU
I know someone online who privately admitted to me to being a pedophile, and is very suicidal. They claim to have never victimized anyone, just thought about it. It makes me very uncomfortable. But I also think if I bluntly said that it would make them more self-destructive, feeling more isolated, and feeling more like they shouldn’t be honest. I think that would lead to them being more likely to victimize someone. This isn’t just a utilitarian calculus though, I genuinely do not want them to suffer. Even though they have disgusting thoughts that could manifest in the suffering of others. What would you do?
These things are not comparable. This person you spoke to has urges, not beliefs. He clearly doesn’t believe it’s right to want to fuck kids. Nazism is a personal political view, and that view includes the belief that I don’t have the right to exist. That the people I love don’t have a right to exist. That is not an exaggeration, that is a fact, and you have to accede it as reasonable to work with someone who believes it. I do not, never have and never will, and I’m sick and tired of people pretending like a Nazi will just up and abandon the monstrous core principles of their entire platform. You will never budge them, they will only drag you down to their level if you try. Other opinions are fine; Nazis are not.
These things are not comparable. This person you spoke to has urges, not beliefs.
Political beliefs do not exist in a vacuum. Imo they always come from emotion and urges to some extent. Even the most reasoned utilitarian views- and especially Nazism.
He clearly doesn’t believe it’s right to want to fuck kids.
Alarmingly I don’t really know. Or if they just say that.
Nazism is a personal political view, and that view includes the belief that I don’t have the right to exist. That the people I love don’t have a right to exist.
Yes the view is wrong and bad. No one here is arguing with that.
and you have to accede it as reasonable to work with someone who believes it.
No you do not.
I’m sick and tired of people pretending like a Nazi will just up and abandon the monstrous core principles of their entire platform.
Many won’t. I guess the core of the disagreement is really “you have to accede it as reasonable to work with someone who believes it.” which I don’t agree with at all. Everyone I interact with and care about has beliefs I consider unreasonable and unethical to some extent, most not to the degree of Nazis- but some approaching it.
Yes, that is the core of the disagreement. You can always find someone to work with who doesn’t believe those things; otherwise you have to say “they’re fine except for this”. But they’re not fine except for that when “that” is “I don’t believe autistic people should exist so we should kill them all”. I guess to put it in an easy to digest sentence: Believing Nazi things is what makes someone a Nazi.
If someone comes around, then great. But we cannot allow “eh” to be the response to “those people who have done nothing wrong should die”. That’s your response when you work with Nazis, whether you’ll admit it to yourself or not. Because you will excuse that core tenet of their views, and I don’t think that’s reasonable.
The social contract has rules that say we can’t kill each other. Nazism does not respect that, so adherents of Nazism do not respect that, so they do not adhere to the social contract, thus they are not covered by it.
At the end of the day bud you’re here saying it’s okay to work with Nazis. It isn’t, period dot and end of story. Fix your ethics.
It doesn’t matter. I’m sure you can find something wrong with everything. It’s why all these nazis are running around! So many nazis! They’re in my attic making nests!
You, and most others, have clearly forgotten that there is a line and that line is Nazism. Not “everyone is a Nazi”. Just the ones willing to sit by quietly and let them advance their agenda, instead of loudly and violently fighting them at every turn. You might not be able to admit it to yourself, but I don’t concern myself with the opinions of Nazis so I don’t really care what you think about the fact.
As far as I can see you’re the person who brought up Nazis out of nowhere. That’s what they are making fun of. People randomly screaming Nazi and calling people nazis for no good reason. This was a meme about capitalists exploiting workers and basically running the planet. It had nothing to do with Nazis specifically or even American specifically yet you seem hyperfixated on both of these things for some reason. You don’t even seem to understand what Nazis even are, saying things like Marxists can be Nazis which is patently absurd. Have you ever heard of Godwin’s law?
It sure is enabling my right to think you’re enabling them. Unless you leave the table once you know who you’re sitting with, I’m judging you. Hard.
What if you’re sitting at the table with them, Nuremberg style?
Then you’d be on trial for crimes against humanity.
… i meant on the other side of the table?
What is the point of leaving the table?
So that you aren’t around a Nazi, dude. Normal people don’t want to be around Nazis. Their beliefs are abhorrent. “Abhorrent” means “So horrible I cannot stand even the thought of it”. From everything you’ve been saying though, you don’t find their beliefs abhorrent, just uncomfortable. I really hope you think it through more deeply, because I don’t know why your opinion on mass murder in cold blood is “yeah but if I can get something in return then it’s cool”.
That’s what “work with” these people means. You have to compromise at some point to work with people, and Nazis won’t compromise on the mass murder, so that means you’ll have to.
So that you aren’t around a Nazi, dude. Normal people don’t want to be around Nazis.
I don’t want to be around a Nazi, but I also won’t inherently be against it. I’d rather be friends with a Nazi who’s fun to talk to over a sane person who is boring to talk to. That in no way is an endorsement of their beliefs, and to believe it is the same kind of perversion of tolerance that they usually believe in.
Their beliefs are abhorrent. “Abhorrent” means “So horrible I cannot stand even the thought of it”. From everything you’ve been saying though, you don’t find their beliefs abhorrent, just uncomfortable.
Were they to be enacted they absolutely are.
I really hope you think it through more deeply, because I don’t know why your opinion on mass murder in cold blood is “yeah but if I can get something in return then it’s cool”.
Where did I say that?
That’s what “work with” these people means. You have to compromise at some point to work with people, and Nazis won’t compromise on the mass murder, so that means you’ll have to.
I really don’t know what you mean by “work with”. You were the one who brought it up. The discussion was about eating dinner with a Nazi. So when you first said it I thought you literally meant like a coworker who’s a Nazi. If you mean working with a Nazi to advance Nazi goals, that’s a very different thing. And of course I wouldn’t do that- but its not what the discussion is about.
I’d rather be friends with a Nazi who’s fun to talk to over a sane person who is boring to talk to.
Disgusting, absurd and unrealistic. I can’t imagine compromising on my beliefs simply for… what… entertainment??
“Oh, well, he’d like to kill all the non-whites, but he told a good joke one time.”
Seriously, you must have a severely broken moral compass to think like this.
But even putting all that aside, I can’t imagine a Nazi ever being “fun to talk to”. Fun for them is beating up ethnic minorities. Jokes to them are bullying those who are different.
And you’d just happily nod along to their racist statements about ethnic minorities? Really? Simply because Jim the non-Nazi is, like, a bit boring?
Idk about you, but i consider the moral sanctity of my soul to be far more important than a few minutes of entertainment - which, tbh, I likely wouldn’t even enjoy.
I really hope you think it through more deeply, because I don’t know why your opinion on mass murder in cold blood is “yeah but if I can get something in return then it’s cool”.
Where did I say that?
Right here:
I don’t want to be around a Nazi, but I also won’t inherently be against it. I’d rather be friends with a Nazi who’s fun to talk to over a sane person who is boring to talk to.
First, you think being boring is worse than being a Nazi. What the fuck is up with that?
Secondly, “Work with” covers a lot, and I do mean all of it. Work with them to advance their agenda when they’re in government, work to be friends with them and normalise their views, it doesn’t matter how you work with them. So I’m done. You’re a fucking Nazi, just not the kind you’re thinking of. You’re the everyday Nazi, who sat there in Germany and shrugged as people were starved and beaten and gassed. That’s exactly what I’ve been highlighting for you this whole time, and you just came out and said it 👍
Edit: blocked and also get fucked.
It will make you feel better, and your neighbours who judge you for who you talk with, instead of for what you say.
That’s not enabling them
your neighbours who judge you for who you talk with, instead of for what you say.
I mean that’s their choice.
judge you for who you talk with, instead of for what you say.
So if someone had a happy conversation with a Nazi about the “degeneracy of the West” and “Judeo-bolshevism”, you wouldn’t judge them?
Of course we would judge them, because they’re happily talking to a Nazi. How can you exchange the time of day with someone who would happily sit there and murder thousands of innocent people in cold blood?
“Hello yes my job is gas chamber operator”
“oh, ok. Did you see the ball game?”
^ literally everyone who’s saying it’s fine to work with Nazis. Is it really so difficult to see what’s wrong with that scene?
This is how I, as a European, feel.
But I am certain that it must feel very different if you life in Afrika, China, one of the Koreas or, since recently, the US.
See you’re not supposed to wait for the chains to be around your ankles to start worrying about that. And the chains are currently around some people’s, it’s coming
Dude 🎯🎯🎯
Have you tried moving? The chains are already there.
Right now I’m mostly trying to free myself from my own ADHD chains before I can see the others
