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        It’s similar to the USA but they don’t have a hate mob going after trans people cause they hunt fascists down for sport. There are many very positive interactions with trans people on national TV and they don’t stir shit about “the controversy” like in the West. Discriminatory remarks against any group, including gay and trans people (upheld explicitly for LGBT people by some law according to the Peoples Daily) isn’t allowed on national media and is strictly enforced. The media culture generally is very positive versus controversy seeking in comparison to the West.

        Also, no overt genocidal shit like Russia or Florida or something. Just general ignorance and knowing little about trans people. From what I’ve read from advocacy groups they think awareness has gone up a lot recently and they believe there will be a big shift in LGBT laws in China by 2030ish when the old cohort retires from the CPC

        And Cuba has the best LGBT laws on the books and they did it in short work after their old cohort died off, wouldn’t be surprised to see China do similar

        Really want to emphasize the hunting fascists down for sport part. There are online communists like us that, as a hobby, track down and report online fascists to the police, and there are tangible records of arrest from them doing that. I actually got in touch with one of these people and asked them about the LGBT situation among the youth and they seemed very positive about the progress.

        I’ve also talked with some rural trans chinese people and there is a very unfortunate and depressingly limited access to HRT outside of tier-1 cities. From what I understand, no one really becomes homeless like they do in the USA, housing is very cheap. Its also relatively easy to move to tier-1 cities, and there is a support network of trans people that help people do this and have lists of supportive doctors like they do in the USA. Self medicating is unfortunately very common outside of tier-1 cities, the black market, interestingly, is online and you must buy a potted plant that has HRT in a plastic baggie in the dirt (wild, there are lots of gardening jokes in trans spaces as a result). Phytoestrogen cocktails are also a common way of self medicating and there are guides online to make highly estrogenized teas. There are also menstruation products sold in pharmacies with high amounts of progesterone and estradiol and require no prescription, so they take these as well. Spironolactone and cypro are usually prescribed by dermatologists in China, so if you are sneaky you can get a dermatologist to prescribe them for acne and take over the counter birth control, though this option is still relegated to cities that do not have doctor shortages.

        Legal transition is a bit depressing, it has roughly the same laws as most southern states (re: you need surgery for gender marker change) and it also requires your family (!) to sign off on it and nullifies any marriage you currently have (like pre-gay marriage America). I do know there is a trick to get married to some trans person and then designate them as your family for the signature (and then the marriage will be nullified, so many friends do this), and you can ask your doctor to verify you had ‘the surgery’ (nebulous definition, like in America) and get your marker changed via that without surgery. This requires knowing a trans accepting doctor, which there are lists for.

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        I dont ever hear about them

        Exactly. Genocided

        It’s not great. There aren’t any discriminatory laws but getting medical affirming care can be a big hurdle due to lack of providers and strict requirements (I believe parents have to support, show proof of dysphoria/transgender identity)

        Trans people are getting more positive attention in mainstream media and social media so definitely fast improvement just like in the West. They’re also just people being famous for what they do and happen to be trans instead of being a token for their trans identity which is really nice as opposed to most of the diverse representation we have in the West

        No significant hate crimes and trans people have won court cases for discrimination against their gender identity

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        I think they’re still largely stigmatized, but not to the point of officials obsessing over them and trying to make every piece of legislation about banning them.

        I believe China’s health ministry’s web page about STDs/AIDS say that anyone, not just gay people, can contract it, and Vietnam’s health ministry stated that homosexuality or being transgender is not an abnormality, disease, mental illness, etc. I believe Vietnam is one of the few countries that have legislation that affirm people’s new gender identity.

        In my experience, older Vietnamese tend to tolerate LGBT people, young people are fine with it, conservatives and nationalists obviously are more hateful as usual (usually related to perceptions of a weak military). There’s stigma, but no danger in most places in the country. There are a few big game shows with trans contestants participating regularly and trans beauty pageants in the country.

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    Other-minded elected officials, in California and other states, could very well use this strategy to diminish the civil rights of vulnerable communities

    See, I can’t use my power to protect you because that would set a bad example for the ghouls I have dinner with to use power to attack you. Oh, they’re already doing that? liberalism Have some thoughts and prayers.

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    This legislation would require a court, when determining the best interests of a child in a child custody or visitation proceeding, to consider, among other comprehensive factors, a parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity or gender expression.

    Never mind all the other legislation in other states and nationally that has been used to restrict trans rights that has passed, Newsom is sure that courts will strike down all of those eventually.

    A visual of his logic:

      Court Legislation
    Can provide human rights
    Can restrict human rights

    And if they don’t override his veto, he’s effectively correct, in California at least

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    Looked up threads about this on Reddit. Only found three threads on it. Nothing in /r/politics

    1. /r/transgender was going hard against it
    2. fucking /r/lgbt was justifying the action and saying its good because blah blah liberal bullshit.
    3. /r/california_politics used different reasoning but still justified it.

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    Libs for the past few decades: Just vote harder guys! If we can get enough Democrats into congress so that Manchin and Sinema aren’t the deciding votes, then we’ll be able to do things like codify Roe V. Wade and guarantee some protections for trans people! Maybe we’ll even do that free healthcare thing you guys like so much

    California with its Democratic governor and its Democratic fucking supermajority:

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      California with its Democratic governor and its Democratic fucking supermajority:

      Even worse since he’s the sole reason why it didn’t get made into law.

      Like literally everyone from a majority of the state population, the state senators, judges, and state representatives would’ve been fine with this bill, but it got vetoed’ because Gavin Newsom wants to run for President for ??? reasons and thinks that if he turns the bigotry dial that hayseeds in rural areas will like him more, when in reality either they don’t care or won’t like him because he looks like the California Liberal that a lot people don’t like.

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        Yeah this is weird. I am not defending Newsom at all, fuck him. But given the support this seemed to have and that Newsom hasn’t been terrible on trans rights, I just figured he would sign it. Even if you see it as a heel turn because he wants to run for president… it’s becoming clear that attacking trans people isn’t a winning strategy. I guess the only “rationale” I can see is that this ostensibly hits at “parents rights” which a large number of Americans are absolutely psychotic about.

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    Newsom let a medicare for all type bill expire on his desk that he has promised to pass

    And now this

    But neolibs will say it’s better than the alternative!! Which at this point is basically just a gun to our heads

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      I thought the Medicare-for-All bill never got voted on in the Assembly, despite having nominal support from a supposed majority. Or do they change the way it dies every session just to toy with us?

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    Probably the smart and correct move for him. He gets to keep the big voter base that is non-trans accepting Dems and centrists

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