I get why people don’t like it, but when I scroll lemmy and see a post which looks like it has a decent level of engagements I’m finding an endless stream of replies that are always the same.

“Is this ai?” “Looks like it might be ai” “Ai slop” “This is ai, look at the [feature]”

Communities should set a rule to allow ai or not. Allowing ai but it must be declared could be a decent approach.

If there isn’t a rule in the community that prohibits ai, I really wish people would cool it.

    • Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.worldOP
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      Imagine if the communities had rules for ai, so you could curate your feed accordingly.

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          You’re tired of ai content in your feed, but the majority of communities allow ai by proxy because there isn’t a stance one way or the other.

          The reason this was posted in unpopular opinion is because I am aware the popular opinion is an anti-ai stance. It makes the most sense to me to implement appropriate rules rather than have no rules and then be outraged when ai shows up in your feed.

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            Your argument that you should be able to post whatever you want just because there aren’t explicit rules in every community is ignoring the fact that there is obviously an etiquette that you’re observing that you shouldn’t post slop in non dedicated communities. Just quit being a baby and follow the etiquette!

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              Just so you know, my preference is for no ai. I’m of similar opinions to you on the broader subject, but I’m just not confrontational about it. I don’t agree there is an etiquette to be observed, the matter isn’t mature enough to have developed one.

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    “persecution” is such a funny word choice here 😂 people don’t like the absolute torrent of AI generated spam that’s currently flooding the internet, nor the way AI and LLMs are being forced into our day-to-day lives to pump up the stock for wealthy investors to make money.

    It’s a topic that’s going to generate a lot of ire every time it’s brought up. Unfortunately, that’s just the nature of how this largely useless technology is being foisted onto everyone by a minority of (being charitable here) naive people, and by larger media organisations.

    That being said, I’m sure there are little communities that love it and want to talk about it - there are all kinds of people online - and so I think you might just have to peruse those communities instead if you want to discuss AI.

    Unfortunately, I have a feeling those are going to have the same problem but the other extreme; a bunch of hyped up rubes with their heads in the clouds. It’s gonna be hard to find interesting or nuanced discussion.

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      I wasn’t sure what other word to use to describe the phenomenon.

      Communities should have rules if people don’t like the torrent of ai content, the amount of noise is loud enough to justify it in many places and it’s bizarre to perpetuate the outrage and not have any action.

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        A lot of communities do have rules, but you know what people are like; they either don’t read the rules, or don’t care about them.

        I’d love to see a solution, but I don’t know if there is one really. Voluntary tagging of AI posts just won’t happen enough for the rest of us to filter all of it out, and even a fediverse-wide ban on AI posts (god, wouldn’t that be lovely!) would still require enforcement and detection etc so wouldn’t really change much either 🤷‍♂️

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      I agree 100% that there is a privacy risk for services like ChatGPT, but this does not have anything to do with AI itself and the same concern exists for non-AI services. Instead it is a problem inherent to using internet based services and sharing information on them.

      The privacy concern can be entirely resolved by running AI models locally offline.

      EDIT: an argument could be made that the absurdly vast amount of training data required to create AI models encourages data collection and privacy violations, and that is a problem inherent to AI. I’d accept that.

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      it also buries legit content

      imagine if majority of cat pictures were ai slop

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      No I’m not upset about that. I’m upset that this is taking over the majority of the discussion here and the way I worded that is that I’m beginning to find it tiresome. I’m unsure why communities don’t choose a stance so people can go to the ones that ban ai and go back to talking about beans and moths or whatever.

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        Ai slop should be tagged and left in the slop buckets dedicated to it.

        If you like AI you can go check out the buckets. Not the other way around.

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          Ai slop should be tagged

          Even only a few months ago this would be a reasonable demand, but AI image generation is getting better, faster and faster. Ask any moderator or anyone who has seriously discussed HOW to single out what is and isn’t AI created. Usually the consensus is the best anyone can do is ask for reports of suspicion and voluntary marking by the poster. Sure, some of the inferior is obvious, but a tag or ban should be thorough and not miss any, right? Otherwise such efforts are only catching the low fruit and letting the better AI pass because of ignorance. So rather than say “just tag/ban it”, explain how one does that without sliding into the trap that those who wanted to ban porn did with the “I’ll know it when I see it”. What is a solid universal indication of AI images?

          I don’t think the objectors in this thread understand the point of the post. AI isn’t the topic, the constant claims of AI slop to anything someone doesn’t like is. Be nice if there was a “No AI material” button to apply, but it is not that easy to do, even when things are “obvious”.

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          You hate ai, yet don’t want to prohibit it in the communities you subscribe to?

          Surely adding rules to the community is the best way forward here.

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        this is taking over the majority of the discussion

        Slop is flooding the forums, AI companies are killing the web by DOSing web sites, we have a right to complain. Also it’s not the majority of the discussions.

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    Oh no people are judging you for using a piece of technology that is built off of theft and exploitation of other’s work? People judging you for using a technology that rapidly speeds up climate change?

    If it wasn’t obvious already then let me make it clear; you are in the wrong.

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      This might be hard for you to believe, but I don’t disagree. I think it’s time to set community or instance rules one way or the other rather than have no rules and outrage.

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    It’d massively help if people just tag AI generated content reliably. That way we wouldn’t need to have the same conversation over and over again. I think we should just make this mandatory across the network, give everyone an option to filter and everyone can use the platform however they like.

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      Yeah way over due something like this. I genuinely think it’s detrimental to the experience here otherwise.

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      Yeah man, I want people to properly tag their AI content and I want to have the means to block it all.

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      User name checks out.

      I said I get it; I don’t disagree. I’m just saying I’m tired of it now and would rather have community or instance rules at this point.

      As for what do I expect from this post, this is the unpopular opinion community, what did you expect when you came here?

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        There’s a whole ass instance that bans anyone for not saying AI is stunning and brave, and a metric shit ton of communities exclusively for AI.

        You have more than enough safe spaces

        But that’s not enough for you…

        I still don’t know if you’re incapable of understanding any of this, or intentionally not understanding. But at this point it literally doesn’t matter.

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          Is there also an instance for people who need to touch grass?

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    You got us all wrong, guy. It’s not the technology we hate. What we hate is “prompt engineers” demanding respect as though they did an accomplishment. If you want uncritical praise and flattery, stick to the prompt.

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      I also hate the technology FWIW. It has minimal real benefits, is extremely powerful hungry, and steals data with credit. It’s existence has made the world a significantly worse place.

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      We had some dialogue in replies to your deleted comment, where we did seem to agree that communities should have rules for ai content. My post is an attempt at highlighting the tiresome situation we are in where such a contentious issue is not moderated.

      I’m disappointed by the majority of responses missing that point and thinking I’m suggesting people allow ai anywhere, and that I have my head in the sand about the issues surrounding ai use. I said i get it, I do. I didn’t expect I would need to say any more than that.

      I’m not a good communicator, clearly, but I’ve been a little shocked by how much flaming has taken place here. Unpopular opinion indeed!

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    Gamers used to be the most persecuted minority, but not anymore ;_;

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    Once again, y’all mistook the point of “unpopular opinion” and downvoted because this is, wait for it, and unpopular opinion.

    For what it’s worth OP, I’m sick of it too. Hating AI is like a religious dogma around here. Sometimes the hate veers into the absurd.

    I have my reasons for disliking AI in general. The environmental damage is #1 for me. But FFS, say anything positive and you’ll be excoriated.