China to ban hidden door handles over safety fears
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Officials said the policy on the handles, which are common on Tesla’s electric vehicles, aims to address safety concerns after fatal EV accidents in which they reportedly failed to operate.
    • Valarie@lemmygrad.ml
      7·
      2 days ago

      Either that or ban obfuscated hardware 9r software in vehicles and require the infotainment section to be modular so that people can change out pieces and upgrade hardware as they want

      And do the same thing for all electronics

      • Ferk@lemmy.ml
        2·
        1 day ago

        Most people already carry infotainment devices in their pockets that can be attached to holders and charging ports in the car. Even better if you connect a hub with some SSD storage to keep movies/music.

        I feel the whole infotainment thing bundled in cars is redundant and explicitly made to be non-modular so that they can get you into their walled garden.

        • Valarie@lemmygrad.ml
          1·
          16 hours ago

          That is fair but some emissions control software and such is run through the same computer, I agree on the tactile sensation but I wouldn’t want to tie critical car functions into a smartphone so you would still need a computer and if you are gonna put a computer in at least some functionality based on spare processing power makes sense

          • Ferk@lemmy.ml
            1·
            6 hours ago

            Running it through the same computer is a bad practice, imho. Remember the Jeep Hack where researchers were able to dig into the integrated infotainment system and control the brakes?

            I wouldn’t want to have critical car functions (or emissions control, regulatory software, ADAS, telematics, etc) depend on the same device that someone might be using to connect to the internet and/or run Android Auto apps. Regardless of whether it’s integrated or not.

            I guess it might be ok to share energy and some non-critical capabilities with the infotainment system… but you can do that through a USB-C connection without requiring it be integrated directly in the vehicle. Imho they should be isolated, and what best way of isolating it than being completely different computers?

            • Valarie@lemmygrad.ml
              1·
              6 hours ago

              I dont think cars should connect to the Internet if you don’t want them to so live commands shouldn’t be an issue but if you are talking about programming preset commands in having the apps be open source would fix that for the most part by adding that auditing layer

              • Ferk@lemmy.ml
                1·
                6 hours ago

                Open source software is not bug free. I’d argue there are more vulnerabilities caused by human error than there are caused by malicious actors. More often than not, malicious actors are just exploiting the errors/gaps left by completely legit designers.

                Running those open source apps in a separate computer, isolating infotainment from the more critical software, would be an even stronger safety layer, imho.

                • Valarie@lemmygrad.ml
                  1·
                  5 hours ago

                  They aren’t bug free but that is the same as closed source and requiring open source would prevent malicious actors from doing as much while also letting anyone who wanted to pentest and granularly access the code have complete access and find as many if not more weaknesses than a dedicated corporate bug hunting team

      • Pika@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        11·
        2 days ago

        IMO any type of touch control in a car shouldn’t be a thing. Drivers rely on tactile feedback on controls, when you replace them with touch buttons it takes more concentration and therefore decreases the drivers awareness of their surroundings.

        Granted the argument is you shouldn’t be adjusting it while driving but, my response is why have it in the first place.

        • Ferk@lemmy.ml
          3·
          1 day ago

          you shouldn’t be adjusting it while driving but, my response is why have it in the first place.

          Exactly. If you shouldn’t be adjusting it, then why is the touchscreen even accepting adjustments in the first place? … it should be rejecting all touches whenever the engine is running to prevent people from even trying, which completely defeats the point of having a touchscreen in the first place anyway…

          It makes no sense to have an input that explicitly requires you to take your eyes away from the road in order to operate it.

    • pineapple@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2·
      2 days ago

      Please! I have had enough of reaching having to press several buttons on the screen just to adjust the ac.

  • HiddenLayer555@lemmy.mlEnglish
    4·
    2 days ago

    In other news, Tesla to introduce buttonless handless doors. Tell Grok why you deserve to be let out.