There are a lot of opinions I’ll likely have until I die, but comparatively few that I’m willing to die for.
You know it’s a figure of speech, right? Sometimes you have to figure out when you can retreat from a position and when it’s too important to cede ground.
A hill I’m willing to die on is a position you can’t or won’t surrender regardless of what you must face to hold it.
As metaphors go, it’s one of the better ones.
You’re on Lemmy. Check the size of the autism related communities and tell me: do you think figures of speech are a strong spot here?
I used it the other day when a kid on my bus buckled the extra 5th point harness on himself that can’t be taken off without assistance, which he doesn’t require, and I warned him if he puts it on I won’t take it off until the destination. He tried bargaining, but I told him I’ll die on this hill. He’s only 5, but he got that it wasn’t going to do anything other than what I said. Also, I know for a fact all he’s going to do if I take it off is immediately put it back on. And it can’t harm him, it’s just an extra strap on a harness.
I just had to look up what a 5th point harness was, we didn’t have seatbelts on school buses most of the time. If we did, they were usually one strap that covered the entire bench for multiple people.
How are you guys supposed to hit your head on the roof going over a speed bump with harnesses like that?
How are you guys supposed to hit your head on the roof going over a speed bump with harnesses like that?
I remember when I was in high school a bit ago, when in the bus (which was pretty much just a public transport one with a privately employed driver and a limit for only students to be on it,) we were going over a bridge in our route, and it had an abrupt drop off at the end, and a lot of the time, the drivers would speed up a tiny bit, look into the dome mirror and see the students at the back (who were the loudest assholes imaginable) would get launched directly into the roof, and the drivers would quietly giggle to themselves.
Yeah bus drivers are fun, I had one that got suspended when they found out he got 3 speeding tickets driving us to school one year. I guess it isn’t a direct cops report it to the school, a middle school student has to tell their parents and the parents have to say something to the school before they realized lol
Haha yeah that’s happened a few times here too! Some of them speed in such a fashion that you occasionally get jolted because they accidentally hit the kerb but kept speeding afterwards anyway.
What I did hate about being on the bus however was the fact the school mandated that drivers must skip a dozen stops (pretty much being like 4km from the school at that point, which most students live closer than that 4km,) and when the driver that day actually adheres to that “mandate”, many students freak out and call the police, automatically assuming they’re kidnapped (which was honestly pretty funny considering how absurd it is.) Then again though, a solid 95% of drivers thought that rule was bs, so they kinda still allowed students to get off at the next stop from the school anyway, which was a laughable 10 metres from the first.
I remember when I went from middle school to highschool the girl I was fond of at the time was zoned to go to a different school than I and we were sad about it. There was a bus stop for my school that stopped on the other side of the street from her house, so like 50 feet from her front door. Instead she had to walk 3 streets over to get to a bus that took her to another school. Zoning and buses were always a pain. The only way she could have gotten into our school was by saying she wanted to go for the magnet program… but the magnet program for our school was fucking radio broadcasting… So not a feasible excuse for her to use.
Those school buses can generate a lot of g-forces when doing high speed cornering.
Indeed. Similar to “picking ones battles” or so.
So weird, someone just told me I was willing to die on a hill for my opinion when they were getting downvoted to oblivion for their opinion, and holding to it.
I.e., figuratively, they were on their hill taking shots from all sides, unwilling to yield, and yelling down to me - with my similarly opinioned compatriots - that I was willing to die on my hill. It was so bizarre and I was thinking about how they didn’t understand the meaning of the phrase, and then I came across this post.
This may not be the case here, but idioms like this can sound particularly weird when they’re in a language that isn’t your first language. This one doesn’t sound weird to me except when used in the wrong way lol.
So just to be clear, the phrase isn’t just about having differing opinions, nor actually putting your life on the line. It is about steadfastly holding to an unpopular (currently, or in the immediate context) opinion in the face of adversity. The more unpopular it is, the bigger the hill it seems to be, with fewer people defending it. In the military context the idiom derives from, hills were strategic goals and holding hills gave advantages. The harder a hill was to defend and hold, the more willing you needed to be to die to defend it (literally). In the idiomatic sense, “dying” might be more like getting yelled at from all sides - or downvoted in a huge way…
You said you have a few opinions you would be willing to die for. That’s probably a bit more extreme than this phrase is intended for.
someone just told me I was willing to die on a hill for my opinion
Yeah I saw that one, that was… Weird as hell.
This may not be the case here, but idioms like this can sound particularly weird when they’re in a language that isn’t your first language
Or when you’re autistic, which is the case here, I’m a native English speaker xD
It is about steadfastly holding to an unpopular (…) opinion in the face of adversity.
Yeah, I frequently don’t share those opinions to avoid the adversity. Not all of them, hell if you sort by “Most controversial” on my profile there’s some good examples of me dying on a hill. More just the quiet beliefs that shape massive swathes of my worldview that I don’t talk about frequently for one of a number of reasons.
Think that one might be the root of why this thought occurred to me, tbh; the difference between the opinions I hold that I will actively argue in favor of, vs the ones I hold that I don’t really talk about in any context because, while they’re important to me, they’re not worth arguing over.
You said you have a few opinions you would be willing to die for. That’s probably a bit more extreme than this phrase is intended for.
Fair, yeah. I tend to overanalyze these things, it’s fun for me xD
I just wanna say, I coulda called the autism from this post alone. Like a bright spot on my radar.
Oh, absolutely, I do very little to hide it online. Might start posting my RAADS-R score in profiles for fun xD
when they were getting downvoted to oblivion for their opinion, and holding to it.
As one should. Downvote is not a counter-argument. A single thoughtfully written response is infinitely more likely to make me change my view than endless downvotes are. Objectively true statements are being “downvoted to oblivion” here on a daily basis.
Yeah, I was just more commenting on their use of the “hill to die on” thing than the quality or value of their argument. Like there wasn’t anything I was doing to indicate it was a hill I was willing to die on, certainly not any more than they were.
That said, it wasn’t just downvoting, several other people also jumped in to argue with them, and honestly they just seemed to be acting antagonistic for no reason.
And while downvotes aren’t always an indicator of a weak argument, they certainly can be.
Quite a few idioms like ‘You dodged a bullet’ or ‘I’m laying low.’ have originated from military in general.
That opinion is a weird hill to die on.
Maybe not die for, but you’ll keep them till the day you die.
