“It’s extremely hurtful, frankly,” said Nvidia chief executive Jensen Huang in a January interview about the “battle of [AI] narratives.”
Isn’t admitting you are confused and hurt by why customers don’t like a product tantamount to admitting complete incompetence as a CEO?
They regard themselves thought leaders. They are confused why their thoughts aren’t being followed en masse.
EDIT: just explaining their logic as I suspect it, not condoning anything here :)
“Thought leaders” is one of the most ridiculous bullshit phrases to ever come out of the English language
I work for a CEO who constantly uses this phrase.
What sort of “thoughts” has he led with, you ask? Gamification, then blockchain, then crypto, then AI. That leadership feels an awful lot like trend-chasing to me… but I guess that’s why I don’t make the big bucks.
Thought leader can sound pompous. What’s a better phrase for people who are authorities in their field?
Loud guy.
Con man.
Master of Headassery
Knob head?
Dick weed, dip shit, fuck wit, bell sniff, bell end, cock end, cock head?
Big brain just has that lovely Gen Z punch, although it’s an adjective from what I gather, so
Big Brain Thought Leader?
Note that broadly people that have an affinity to “thought leader” are not “authorities in their field”.
The “thought leaders” are the people that take credit for making obvious wishlist statements and then saying it’s all due to them should it happen. Like if I as some internet rando said “we should really cut down on CO2”, and then somehow the world manages to reduce CO2 one year and I say “I was a thought leader and the reason why we reduced CO2”.
Ok but that is the definition on Wikipedia
If someone is using it wrong, they’re using it wrong.
They all think they are Steve Jobs, and while he certainly isn’t anywhere close to the genius messiah they believe him to be and was also a giant asshole, he was also far more on the pulse of what people want and don’t than any of these absolute fools.
No, this isn’t an accident. It’s a PR ploy, and done entirely on purpose. The idea is to push the people who aren’t critical towards AI to their side. By being confused and not understanding why people are so mad at these innocent little men just doing their best to bring something good to humanity, they’re humanising themselves. Most anyone can relate to fears of having their hard work rejected by others, and they’re playing on that.
I wish people would stop platforming this nonsense.
Why would it be? None of the critics are his customers. He sells hardware to Altman, Nadella and the other Koolaid drinkers that run the slop infrastructure.
The handful of people that privately buy NVIDIAs incredibly overpriced GPUs for their private gaming PCs aren’t the focus anymore.
He sells hardware to Altman, Nadella and the other Koolaid drinkers that run the slop infrastructure.
He gives money to Altman so Altman can use that money to pay for Nvidia purchases… totally sustainable and normal business model
NVIDIA is one of the biggest AI investors on earth. They own more of this than just about anyone. They are paying their customers to buy their shit.
I bet AI would do a better job.
When your job is to play golf and post your Philosophy 101-level “deep thoughts” on Twitter, you can be forgiven for believing that LLMs can do real work.
You know what’s extremely hurtful??
Get something that does not work being forced down your throat.
Get something that does not work being forced down your throat.
Honestly, it’s not just that.
Digital services have this terrible trend to get downgraded because some designer decides something like
Well, having 10 buttons is too much, we should have only 4 buttons. We should also make the UI 5x more clumsy (although they’d call it ‘beginner-friendly’)
Ai is very similar, except it’s an exec throwing tantrums to slap AI onto something, which wastes company resources and makes the product either more or a lot more worse than before.
You know, in my days when I learned economics I was taught to come up with a new plan if the business doesn’t work and the customer does not buy/pay. Else I have failed.
And not whine about things hurting…
They’re fueled by hopium and shit out false dreams. Basically they’re the Boiler Room or pinksheet Wolf of Wall Street, trying to trick as many investors as they can to swallow their shill.
Although some may actually believe their own hype in a deeply egotistical way, like Jared Leto’s character in the Blade Runner sequel.
I hope they’re fucking hurt.
Fuck the people who peddle this shit in such an evil way. They want to replace us and pocket the profits.
I don’t think these people are capable of feeling pain.
Can we run some tests?
I can’t imagine what would hurt these people emotionally, and most people don’t have the physical proximity to punch them in the nards.
Why the fuck should we care about their ‘feelings’ when their rapist mentality fucks up the world. Lie, steal, cheat for a solution in search of a problem so they can make money by making people lose money and become unemployed.
Perhaps if they didn’t buy up all the RAM, HDDs , GPUs and making PC building / home computing so expensive, maybe we might consider liking it a bit.
Don’t forget that the Internet is currently ruined by AI-slop that is continuously flooding once interesting human-created content. This is probably my biggest gripe of AI. I’ve significantly reduced my screen-time, basically stopped coding in my free-time because of this sloppy mess that we call Internet right now…
Nah I’d still hate AI because it’s trash
There was absolutely no reason for AI companies to go batshit crazy. This was pure supply shock. Each level assumed 10x exponential growth. A sane 2x or 4x would have been manageable for all suppliers
"We are working on a technology that will accelerate climate change while hopefully making most of the population unemployed in a world where unemployment means you barely get the basic necessities of life, if even that! What? Why are you all booing?
But but don’t you understand, AI will allow them to reduce spending, if you only look at wages paid to humans and ignore the material costs of all the infrastructure and propaganda about how great it is
…in a world where unemployment means you barely get the basic necessities of life…
Ssshhhiiiiiiiiiiii, even with employment you can’t pay for basic necessities. Shit’s so fucked!
More like “We are throwing cartloads of money at technology at the expense of actually meaningful improvements. Oh, and shedding jobs as well. Gotta make the lines go up. Oh, and we don’t care at all for the environment, and this technology just so happens to be terrible af towards it. Oh, and don’t expect getting a new ram stick in the next 2 years at the very least”
Spot on, Dude over a 100 upvotes, I think this is the most upvoted comment I’ve ever seen on Lemmy, ha.
I remember a time when tech ceos actually used the internet. It seems that now they just get their MBAs, a job, and then spend all their free time avoiding technology and listening to other people tell them what they want to heat
CEOs are generally speaking… calculating. They just want this in the news. They want people talking. Who is interested in an IPO nobody is talking about? Nobody gave a damn about Oracle after they collapsed until their CEO started doing ridiculous shit just to be in headlines, like sparring with Red Hat, as an example.
Calculating and immoral
They shoved AI everywhere without any concern over what the users want. Now the users are resentful, while the AI bros go Shocked Pikachu Face.
I can’t help but wonder if the public reaction would’ve been more positive if we hadn’t been inundated by AI intrusions in seemingly every facet of technology. In a way, I can appreciate that the hatred is home-grown - the biggest issues I see revolve around the ethical issues stemming from AI’s lack of regulation, and ethical issues don’t tend to make the public react. The fact that people already found their own reasons to dislike AI means we’re all on the same page. If the public were fans, I’d just be dismissed as a bleeding-heart for giving a shit about right and wrong.
But here we are, standing together in hatred. So beautiful.
“We’re only trying to make all of your jobs obsolete while paying politicians to not tax us, making all consumer electronics outrageously expensive or inaccessible, getting obscenely wealthy by stealing your works of art, making your power bill more expensive, consuming all of your water supply, and accelerating climate change. Why aren’t you clapping?”
Jensen can suck my Huang for being such an idiotic shill of vaporware tech that is simultaneously undermining something like 30-40% of the fucking GDP at this point. Fuck you, dude. You’re actively accelerating us towards an economic depression that is going to fucking dwarf 2008.
Jensen can suck my Huang
If I was in charge of coming up with ironic punishments, I would lock him in a data center with the cooling turned off. Let’s see if he or his chips give out first.
The meatbag would fail first; the hardware would probably limp along and thermal throttle for a good stretch of time before fully cooking itself and getting bricked.
That said, conducting the experiment would confirm these assertions, so it’s probably still worth doing.
In June 2008 SP500 was 1361 points before it dropped to 700 points in February 2009 so 48%. Now SP500 is 6943 points if it drops by 48% that be 3610 points. It’s only drop to state from October 2022. I don’t think it would change much. We need to go deeper.
AI
- Added zero actual value to humanity
- Can do any task about 70% correctly about 70% of the time
- Drove up electricity demands through the roof
- Gave humanity the option to make childporn from their armchair
- Is generating such hardware shortages that computer hardware prices have doubled, tripled, quadrupled, and more to come!
- Increased misinformation by factors of thousands, if not more
- Broke CAPTCHAs for good, thanks for that
- Caused wild random growth of super datacenters that pollute like crazy and take away all the groundwater everywhere
- Steals all data from everyone everywhere with impunity
- Highly confident in giving the wrong answer
- Literally made ma y people lose their mind into AI psychosis
- Do I still need to continue?
AI tech bro’s look at that list and ask: why do people not like AI?
Don’t forget the big one. These massive data centers only have 1 real use case. SURVEILLANCE.
You could say the same about the Internet for nearly all those points.
You really couldn’t.
Ok:
- Added zero actual value to humanity: debatable for both. Both of them make information, right or wrong, more easily accessible to people, whether that’s a net value to society is debatable. The me too movement would’ve been impossible without the Internet, but so would the MAGA movement.
- Can do any task about 70% correctly about 70% of the time: I’ll give you that one
- Drove up electricity demands through the roof: check, happened slower then AI, but especially in the early days it was increasing demand, and the Internet in general is a cause for far more demand then AI
- Gave humanity the option to make childporn from their armchair: can’t make child porn, but made it exponentially more accessible and prevalent.
- Is generating such hardware shortages that computer hardware prices have doubled, tripled, quadrupled, and more to come!: I’ll give you that one
- Increased misinformation by factors of thousands, if not more: check
- Broke CAPTCHAs for good, thanks for that: didn’t break captchas but increased spam and made it harder to detect bots which made it necessary to make captcha
- Caused wild random growth of super datacenters that pollute like crazy and take away all the groundwater everywhere: check, most data centers these days are still running traditional servers that hold up the Internet.
- Steals all data from everyone everywhere with impunity: check
- Highly confident in giving the wrong answer: check, it just used to be that a human would give you that wrong answer confidently. People didn’t need AI to write thousands of articles and posts about vaccines causing autism.
- Literally made ma y people lose their mind into AI psychosis: check, it’s made large chunks of society delusional, and many people have lost there minds on it
- Do I still need to continue?
9/11, so most. LLMs are the Internet distilled, and thus they have the same problems, and benefits of it.
General non-AI internet server generally stayed under 300 W and could frequently server thousands to tens of thousands concurennt active users. AI servers are now clocking in at 10kw and can generally server dozens of users. The internet datacenters were an couple orders less magnituted than what the AI people are doing.
So too with the pollution angle. Even worse because the traditional datacenters pretty much lived within the grid and their super high demand causes them to roll out their own generators with less emissions controls.
Artificial intelligence is a primary keystone for a science fiction civilization to move its labor from the people to machines, but they obviously ignored the other keystones such as equal rights, shared wealth and further opportunities to all humans. The wealthy want all the wealth and opportunities to themselves; cut the people out of the equation to gain more market and never have to pay the lower class citizens ever again. They clearly designated themselves no longer human. We the people think for ourselves and we the humans should easily abandon them. No longer serve them no matter how much they offer, no longer entertain them no how much they give, no more trust no matter how much they plead. They ignored us for so long and destroyed our world, why should we hear their pleas?
Key difference, what is called AI in science fiction isn’t the same as the AI we see today. These companies just adopted the term AI from science fiction as a marketing strategy. Not because it’s actually representative.
Some people are now having to clarify AGI, rather than just AI, because the term has got so diluted.
If the line is “AGI is what is necessary for us to have robots to do labor”, then we’ve had “AGI” since 1961.
The “robot” arms that took over assembly lines are not really any different than the machines that started the industrial revolution. They are simply a refinement of that technology. A true takeover would require something that didn’t need to be reprogrammed any time you needed to shift a bolt over a millimeter.
To be fair, I’m not saying “AGI” didn’t exist before, I’m just saying it wasn’t used very wildly because at the time “AI” and “AGI” were otherwise synonymous.
Really illustrative of how out-of-touch people become when they reach a certain level of personal wealth.
We also hate the CEOs
#This would be the first good reason I’ve learned to use so-called AI for everything.
Boom? If it were a boom, everyone would be prospering by it. It is a money and energy sucking wealth generator for the already very rich and nothing else. It doesn’t even do anything reliably after stealing the world’s cache of information to “train” it.
It doesn’t even generate wealth, either. It just denies money to labor and that’s it.
I don’t hate the AI that much. It’s useful in some specific circumstances, but mostly is just a fun novelty toy.
I hate the CEOs forcing it down our throats.
Ok, but you should hate it though. AI, as implemented by capitalism, is downright detrimental in so so so many ways. Even if we set aside the huge environmental costs, energy and water price hikes in communities near data centers, loss of jobs due to AI, theft of IP, and sloppification of the internet, it is also doing things like convincing my friend with bipolar that they should attempt suicide.
That’s kinda contained in “the CEOs forcing it down our throats” though, y’know? They’re forcing it down our throats because capitalism requires it, they need public buy-in and mass adoption or else the whole economic structure implodes.
None of that tells me I should hate the technology, like any other technology under capitalism.
You can’t just take things out of their historical context, or you’re not doing dialectics anymore. We live in the reality we live in. However, even if we lived in a communist utopia, the tool’s insane resource requirements and impacts on people’s health and livelihoods should still make you disdain its use in any context other than research.
We also live in a historical moment where there are national experiments with different material relations than the predominant capitalist form of the West. China specifically is doing things somewhat differently by training models to be modular and task-specific, instead of the obsession Silicon Valley has with making an everything app. I’m also interested in their experiments in cooling data centers with sea water, as well as how they’re phasing out fossil fuels while rapidly expanding next gen renewables+grid battery storage to power those data centers.
I don’t know if I’ll go as far as to say they’re doing AI right, but I think when the bubble bursts they’ll adapt far better.
Good point, and I don’t really know how LLMs are being rolled out in China. However, given the context of climate change and the impending broader global ecological collapse, I really don’t see any reason at all that a tool with such limited usefulness relative to its outsized footprint should be made broadly available. It’s like, on a global scale we are already doing basically nothing about how completely fucked we’re going to be in the 30-70 years.
AI is being used to generate videos of minorities breaking laws and rioting. That is its purpose
