Isn’t it common sense that people breaking the law should get deported and go back to where they came from? For Pete’s sake, I wish people were more conservative about this!

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    13 days ago

    Here’s the problem…

    Let’s say you are from a war torn, 3rd world country, with gangs and crime and all that, feel your life is threatened and want to claim asylum in the United States.

    There is no process to do that legally in your home country. There is no process to do that legally at the border.

    The only option you have is to cross without documentation, then claim asylum once you are already here. But as ICE has proven, they don’t care about any of that.

    https://www.npr.org/2024/05/08/1249629647/immigration-border-asylum-parole-explained

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      13 days ago

      I hate ICE, too, we need to definitely change the border laws though and keep the criminals from coming in

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        That’s the thing:

        The vast majority of people coming here are not “criminals”. Undocumented, yes, but that’s only because our system requires that before they can claim asylum.

        On average, the US sees between 2 and 3 million immigrants a year.

        Now here are the arrest stats:

        https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-alien-statistics

        Even 2024 with a peak of 17,000 criminal arrests, out of 2 million immigrants is less than 1%.

        You want to change the laws to prevent something that is, statistically, so low it doesn’t really happen.

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          The arrest rate of immigrants is less than 1%??? That incidence of crime is so much lower than American citizens we are effectively importing a lower crime rate.

          OP, I implore you to go look them up for yourself. The thing you’re worried about is going to blow your mind how wrong you are.

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            Less than 1% of those coming in are actual criminals, it’s not counting the existing immigrant population, which is slightly higher, but still far lower than the domestic population.

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    13 days ago

    The problem is that most of the pedos can’t be deported, as they were born in america

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    13 days ago

    Because the issue of immigration is way more complicated than that simple statement, and it can seem like one is trying to justify the horrible state of affairs by boiling it down to a gotcha.

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    Who is breaking the law when masked thugs violate someone’s human rights and deprive them of the due process guaranteed by our law and foundational documents?

    For Pete’s sake I wish people were more conservative about this - respect for the law and the Constitution used to be core Conservative values.

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    there’s also the option to prosecute them locally. this can be better. most nations have laws about when to do what. if you manage to rehabilitate them, and many nations have good rates, you get extra citizens and taxpayers. in the US with their weird for profit prisons, it would probably be abused tho.

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    It’s not about criminals. More native born people in this country are criminals by far. Do you want to deported them as well?

    It was always about deterrent. Fine. We let all these people in. But we have our own problems that we must address first.

    And it is sad that so many people were affected. But the previous administration threw out all of the rules and let countless people flood in while neglecting their own population so rich people could get richer.

    Now it must end. The deterrence was quite effective. And deporting was never as important as enforcing border laws.

    Do we have a country or not? If thry can enforce their laws on me, why not them?

    Obviously because rich people need maids and low-wage workers.