backstory is that i try to fill up my tank more when gas prices are at a low and less as prices go up to make my long term average cost per gallon lower.
now given current events, and empirical reality, gas has only been going up and will continue to go up. we could assume different curves(only constraint being that price per gallon goes up as time goes forward), but if you buy your gas now you will spend less money then you have if you bought it tomorrow, day after, or week down the road. my estimate is that it will be month minimum before it gets cheaper.
now that I have put this out there into the world you should fill up asap, I already filled up before making this post and other people will come up with this idea independently of me.
It goes up and down it’ll come back down at some point when the recession gets worse lol.
Collapsing the economy would do that
I don’t follow this logic. How long does your tank last. You will always need to fill the tank in the future. Going electric is the only thing people can do to mitigate the gas prices.
you can fill a tank of gas from 7/8th full. I’ve made my tank of gas last months in the past. recently half tank last me like 3 weeks.
yes getting an electric car will help you dodge gas prices, but not necessarily oil prices, because your connected to the electric grid and most power comes from natural gas which comes from oil wells and oil processing.
now that I answered those question, the logic is dead simple every gallon of gas you buy today will be cheaper than the gas you buy tomorrow, if you want to save as much money as possible you buy as much gas as you can put in your car as soon as possible.
the logic would conclude that you buy as much gas as you would use for 3 month or however long you think oil crisis will go on
most power comes from natural gas
Try again: https://grid.iamkate.com/
I’m talking about USA
We don’t all live in backwards shitholes.
You didn’t specify.
I just think the timeline is to long to go and honestly I can go weeks but I use my care incredibly sparingly so im not sure your usage that can last that long but most folks I know who commute to work in one have to do it every week. Now im also in an area with a lot of nuclear and wind power and we are ramping on solar.
yeah its crazy if someone goes through a tank a week they should get every jerry can and fill it up and maybe even buy more to avoid paying when gas hits 5 dollars a gallon on the east coast for the longest they possible can, but i doubt people in apartments want to have gas lying around either in the car or trunk of their car.
but electric is definitely a different paradigm. id probably suggest getting solar before shipping barges start running out of fuel. if you get solar then your not gonna be pulling from the grid as much
Sorry, can’t do.
I don’t own anything with a gas tank to fill up.I could replace my 2 seater with a motorcycle and go through like 2 gallons a years.
I just can’t take my stepdaughter to school on it. As it stands, I go through 2 or 3 tanks a year on the car I have.
I see people take their kids on ebikes but they could be fairly close to the school
Instead of playing the game of maximizing the cost, reduce the usage. That will have a much larger effect than trying to gain a few cents as prices increase over time.
My dad was born in 1943 and would tell us a story about the corner gas station where the price had always been a fixed 29 cents a gallon since he could remember. At some point, as a kid, he noticed when it went up to 30 cents and realized it would never go back down. What caused the increase, who knows, but it’s funny to plug in 28-30 cents into an inflation calculator and find it’s the same as $4.00 in today’s dollars.
You know what was different, though? Wages. While we do need to use less oil for lots of reasons, including cost, resources, and environment, that isn’t why gas prices are a problem.
Nobody is out there driving for fun man, not anymore and in this economy. There’s not much we can do to drive less because we already only drive when we have to. Yes we drive a lot but we have to go to work, we have to go to the doctor we have to go to groceries. Honestly im sick of driving nothing better than a sunday when i dont have to get in yhe car but the reality is i have to drive almost every day unless i want to go live in my car. Sort of a catch22.
It’s absolutely a Catch-22. The whole system is designed to need a private transportation source, and how do you undo that? A working public transportation system for more than just select urban areas, places designed for foot and small vehicle traffic, and local centers for basic needs, so you don’t have to go tens of miles or more for them. We all want this, I don’t doubt, but how do you change enough of what exists to make a difference?
how do you undo that?
Well me how do I undo that? I move to a different country lol, that’s my long term goal. I dont have enough hands to rebuild a transportation system lol
interesting, but you could argue that refining wasn’t as advanced and there wasn’t as many refineries as there are now so supply was low. that would confirm that gasoline deflated at some point for america.
but it would by cool to advocate for walkable cities
But for God sake, don’t buy a slightly smaller more fuel efficient vehicle.
You morons go through this every 4-5 years and as soon as gas prices go back down you’re back to the V8 Cayoneros.
Okay you get a smaller car and your going to wait to buy gas when it’s more expensive?
You didn’t address a single thing I said
What is there to address??
“gas went up for a couple weeks and i think that means it will go up forever”
Great post where do i even begin
Best way to predict future treads is to look at past ones. Plus you can look at the Trump’s war and how that’s going. Gas is gonna be going up for weeks to come
Based on past trends, I predict oil price will go either up or down in the future.
That has to be another countries gas prices simple because j instead of y and the numbers on the left don’t reflect USD prices unless it’s a price per barrel
It’s the price of crude oil on the global market.
Gas price directly depends on it, barring government intervention and taxation.
Sure probably will for a few weeks, until it goes back down and nobody knows when. Could even go down while the war continues because the economy crashes and demand craters, which is somethin economists are actively studying. It’s quite possible the high oil prices cause a recession that lowers the price of gas sooner than we would expect.
Or it pleataues for months and people wish they got gas now aka follow my advice. Plus everyone keeps saying the economy will crash and it technically has in the way they described, but economy ends up correcting itself and mitigating the crash so it’s not as bad as they claim it would be.
Trump’s Tarrifs fuck things up and hurt the economy just not cause a serious recession
I mean i need to buy gas once a week, i guess yeah if you only get gas every few months then yes you’re right fill it up now.
Speak for yourself. My car is 10 years old. And its an i4 turbo.
If everyone does that, the shortage hits harder as more is going unused, being hoarded. So the price goes up more.
Drive less. Consume less. Reduce demand, not increase it.
Consume less? That’s unAmerican. You mean get two more credit cards maxed out.
well faster, shortage is kind of already here rolling in slowly, my suggestion will speed it up. but its game theory at this point do you A) take my advice get the cheaper gas and accelerate gas prices or B) maintain status quo and presumable pay more for gas then you would and hope no one else takes my advice just so gas prices increase at the steady rate they are. you have to keep in mind I told other people and percentage of them are going to take A.
yes we should drive and consume less regardless of the trumps illegal war with Iran, but its just mathematics at this point to buy gas as soon and as often as possible.
Gas prices going up faster is kinda the means I used to justify my ends of putting a crunch on trump and making him look bad
If it was just game theory, telling people is not the way to keep prices down for you personally. So you clearly already have the sense of community that might benefit from doing what is in collective interest rather than individual interest.
Paying more for a resource to own Trump is no better than maga hoping bad decisions hurt the right people and cause liberal tears.
uhm prices arent gonna go down? if i believed that i wouldn’t bother with my post. technically it would be in collective in this case fediverse to pay the least amount for gas for presumably the next month.
and you dont have to pay for gas prices when they inevitable go up. really the assumption of you buying asap is for you to avoid paying more for resources as you put it. the higher gas prices is for everyone that doesn’t read my post or ignores my advice (not that im wishing its would be an objective consequence)
but its all mental gymnastics on your end to i guess shame me, im still going to tell me to fill there tanks as soon and as much as possible to save them money and well i pulled the trigger already so other people are gonna do it.
It’s not to shame you. It’s to point out that collectively it’s a bad tactic. Using less fuel, rather than more is better.
Also, if you spend all that time refueling, you’ll likely waste more time than the dollars you save, based on an hourly rate.
You do you, though.
I’m not even seeing how it’s a bad tactic collectively. The only alt to buying cheaper gas now would be more expensive gas later that would be true for an individual, entire, family or your neighbors. It’s mathematics.
I already pointed that you should be using less fuel regardless of Trump’s illegal war with Iran or when gas prices where cheaper. That’s strategy not mutually exclusive to tipping off, but independent and complimentary to topping off
You wouldn’t be spending all your time refilling you’d just detour to the gas station once a day on your commute because gas prices stay the same for an entire day. I should say fuel up once a day right before you park your car for the day
Driving to and from the gas station multiple times is not using less, lol. Detours is more driving. Plus the time to do so.
You’re basically advocating for hoarding. Letting your tank go to empty and only purchasing small amounts that you need would have the same effect, while spending less and consuming less.
It actually wouldn’t. Because you’d because when gas prices get too much for you to afford you’ll only have a partial tank instead of near full
Can only do so much with one tank, though. IDK how smart it would be to keep a tank or barrel of fuel in your garage …
I’ve considered similar with food, but most of the food I eat is either perishable or has low value per volume, and I have limited storage space. I did stock up on cheese, though.
Gas goes bad after a while. Especially if it’s full of ethanol.
Does gas station gasoline usually have a lot of ethanol …? And what does “goes bad” even mean for an oil-based product?
Depends on the state but usually yes. Gas station gas has all sorts of different things in it that turn to “varnish” if left to sit. Also the ethanol is hygroscopic meaning it absorbs water from the atmosphere.
yeah i was thinking about getting jerry cans out to the station but i think it would only be another car tank worth at most to hold out for oil crisis to come down, for that that little i probably should but idk at what volume you should stop at.
foods probably gonna be the same situation because sulfur from oil wells somehow intertwined itself chicken husbandry.
Just remember that fuel doesn’t have a very long shelf life. I’ve heard people mention numbers between 3 and 6 months. Apparently there are additives that can be added to the fuel to keep it stable for longer.
Fuel stabilizers like Sta-Bil will keep ethanol-containing gas usable for a while longer
That only matters if you don’t cycle your fuel around - you fill your fuel tank from the jerrycans, not the petrol station.
What happens with old fuel after 3-6 months? People with oil heaters often keep their diesel around for >1 year …
Diesel has roughly ~double the shelf life as “normal” gas, so 6-12mo instead of 3-6. It doesn’t just immediately go bad, but loses its energy slowly and burns less cleanly, so it could cause engine issues, but that’s not super likely unless you’ve been storing it for a looong time.
I own a regular gasoline truck. It once spent over a year sitting in a driveway with no battery or driveshaft, and a half filled tank of gas.
After putting in a new battery and drive shaft, I didn’t remember how much gas was in it anymore, so I took my 2gal can and put abiut half in to get it started.
No issues starting beyond the usual no gas primed in the line or fuel rail, so it took a second, and I drove it for about 50 miles before stopping at a gas station.
I have also never once swapped the gas in my mower after letting it sit all winter.
I understand that gas degrades, I just have never had gas that sat long enough to go bad I guess? I don’t think 1 gallon of gas would “fix” 15 gallons of bad gas…
Lawn mower engines operate on nearly anything though.
Same with old vehicles, although newer gas with ethanol eats up the rubber.
There’s a guy on YouTube who makes videos of running a mower engine on various things, and holy shit I’m surprised nobody has gotten a mower to run on pure grass yet…
It’s a 90s truck, and the newest vehicle I’ve ever let sit that long is from the mid-00s.
Guess I’ve just been lucky with how my gas has gone bad?
i feel like gas last longer than that. since i had gas last over a year but i had put fuel cleaner in my car. there should be a PSA
This seems to happen every four years. Someone starts a war in the Middle East, and gas prices go up. People have a short memory. Gas prices will go back down, probably after the midterms if sanity returns. And then everyone will run out and buy a new gas guzzling SUV again.
Meanwhile, used EVs are very competitively priced. 🤷♂️
Lol they say Time a flat circle but I expect it to period to be more than 4 years. Lol
I really remember gas prices going up under push after Iraq, post covid vaccine, and now. Maybe Obama had little bumps in gas prices? I know Obama did drone strikes in middle east.
Yeah EVs are gonna take the fuck off real soon because this is actually an oil shortage similar to the Carter administration.
But then you’re keeping your tank full, which is extra weight, which requires more fuel burn. To properly optimize, you should be calculating your exact fuel burn to get to your next destination and only put that much into your vehicle to avoid the extra weight. Lose all of the extra shit too, you only really need the steering wheel, gas, brakes, lights, engine, a couple of mirrors, the driver’s seat, and a window to be street legal.
Now that’s more reason to get jerry cans/storage tanks for the garage. Ironically the optimal amount would be close to empty tank in terms of fuel efficiency.
Running your tank below half constantly isn’t always the best idea though as your fuel pump needs to be sitting in the fuel to cool itself. If the tank is run close to empty it isn’t in the fuel bath anymore, it sits above it.
Yeah I really regret a couple weeks ago I didn’t fill up when the prices were at $6.10, which was ridiculously high already. I kept waiting for prices to go down but my tank was nearing empty, now the prices are nearly $8/gallon. I had to fill up. 😭
It cost $115 to fill my tank 6/10.
I wish I could fill up that cheap, here in Germany it is over 2,4€ per liter, which is $10 per gallon.
I guess I’ll bike more.
well if your gonna use your entire tank in the next month id fill up today. i cant determine how valuable your destinations are.
