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And why am I getting pickpocketed half a world away… I don’t even watch the puppet show…
Wow so deep…
/facepalm.
Yeah they should make a drawing out of this, make sure you clearly label each component of the drawing so you don’t leave any doubt about the message. /s
And even if we don’t go to the puppet show, we still get pickpocketed.
This, but it’s raping children and bombing innocents
While also stealing money
Ah it’s voter disenfranchisement season here comes the “don’t vote” machine
It’s not “don’t vote”, it’s “don’t be fooled into high expectations for the Party of Betraying the Left”
You get what you vote for, and we are up to our ears in fascism, vote for fascism light, get fascism.
So what’s your plan buddy?
The plan is plain as day, stop supporting our common oppressors.
Which will result in change… Somehow I guess???
Oh right you don’t actually care about improving things, you just want to burn things down.
Well tbf, if all the useless idiots supporting the dem party went elsewhere, say the greens or invent a new one and flock en masse, then that would at least help change things without burning things down. And it has happened before, used to be Rep V Whig, then it was Rep V Dem, then Reps and Dems switched en masse though kept the names when trading sides. Everyone insists it can’t again due to vendor lock in that they perpetuate by saying it can’t happen again due to vendor lock in, but it totally could if we just y’know stopped eating our own tail and actually tried something different for once.
Something else to add to what you’re saying is that 36% of the electorate did not vote in 2024, which is par for the course for previous elections as well. Which means in theory a third party could take every vote from non-voters and win without ever “stealing” a Republican’s or Democrat’s vote.
People just need to stop calling it a wasted vote and disenfranchising potential voters that for one reason or another refuse to vote for either major party.
It’s hard to build a nice house on the rotting carcass of a dilapidated crack den.
When your political project goes genocidal - yes, you have a moral obligation to burn it down. Otherwise youre sending the victims down the river to buy yourself more time for pointless political waffling.
Since you’re not paying attention, your method is what’s burning things down at an accelerated rate
You don’t know anything about me or my method. You’re advocating for people to stop voting, which has changed things exactly 0 times in American history. If you were talking about changing the Democrats from the inside or about building a new party you would be on the right track, but instead you just are parroting “bOTh SiDEs ACtuaLly” and throwing around insults
Realistically it would take so much time, energy, effort, resources, dealing with trolls, probably way more i can’t even think of. But it’s so easy to just angrily post online. 100%. And even if a few of us tries to organize, it would be gatekept and fall to infighting. It’s why there are no real libertarian candidates, they all gatekeep people “who arent REAL libertarians”.
It would take an unbelievable amount of resources and sacrifice to even come close to competing with either major party. Not to mention the probable assassination attempts. It’s not that “both sides are the same”, one is clearly worse than the other. But neither are what’s best for the country moving forward.
Which reminds me Andrew Yang tried creating the “Forward Party” but it never gained traction. And he spent more than all of the people in this comment section probably have combined to try it. Now I think he sells smartphones or something idk.
People are stressed and depressed and yearn for something truly different. Which is understandable. There’s just no action that follows and that’s what makes it an “armchair revolution”. People still don’t want to die, deep down they hope some external thing will come to the rescue. Except there never will be.
Point to exactly where I said dont vote, go through all my post and comment history if you need to.
There are no bOTh SiDEs if there is only one side that sides with capital
I really prefer black text on white background studies show you absorb information better so not voting for fascism light is like endorsing misinformation do you want me to read something wrong and go to a concentration camp when its time for me to go to a death camp and waste a bunch of time and resources huh do you
Just don’t vote for any sewage bog associated with those parties plenty of other things to vote on real people who might not be puppets
you know, the more divisive politics is, the more it benefits those in power. because you continue to support your team, meanwhile the other people support the other team. this ensures that all politicians are strongly supported by someone. all the politicians need to do is to pretend to fight each other, meanwhile they actually don’t. they just have to pretend to fight each other sothat you continue to support them against the so-called “enemy”.
yeah it’s a divide a conquer scheme
The term divide and conquer in politics refers to an entity gaining and maintaining political power by using divisive measures.[1] This includes the exploitation of existing divisions within a political group by its political opponents, and also the deliberate creation or strengthening of such divisions.[2][3]
Is this more ‘both sides the same’ nonsense?
what has political decisions that you could actually vote for done in the last 50 years? all the big technological breakthroughs happened in semiconductor factories, i don’t see your vote making a difference.
Well I voted against the North Carolina bathroom bill that passed. That accomplished making Old North’s few thousand trans people shit at home.
It’s also made more than a few people on the Fediverse blame me for it passing, despite my vote AGAINST. Using the same broken logic that a vote against Kamala was a vote for Palestine…somefuckinghow.
By the way, does Palestine still exist? I haven’t heard much about Palestine since Iran suddenly started existing again.
Do we think dems will save us? Let’s say a huge blue wave happens. A Democrat wins every election for the next 2 years. What would they do?
What have they done so far? Ofc I’ll vote dem but thinking they will be the ones to save us will only lead to disappointment.
I think it’s not that “the dems” will save us, but that the structural flaws of our system mean that progressives getting into power at the federal level need to do so by winning democrat primaries.
That’s fair, probably the most effective course of action at the moment. That’s how the Leaders We Deserve PAC is operating I believe. Still within the two party system getting people to vote and running as democrats.
I guess when I say “dems” I mean “establishment democrats”. Like Biden, Kamala, Clinton etc.
Nope, unless we get involved in the primaries and push for proper progressives like Mamdani. Candidates without AIPAC or super PAC money. unless we vote for them in the primaries, then dems will just keep screwing us.
The ACA was better than nothing
It was, still is. I never liked the argument “well it could be worse” when things should be better.
What I am saying is, that is something they did so far, and something they might plausibly do is reverse the changes to it that mean millions of people can’t have health insurance.
They will keep everything that Trump has implemented in place, the 1% will continue to get richer while we get poorer. We will still be at a constant state of war. Like Biden and politicians have said throughout time, nothing will fundamentally change
I’ll take that as a “yes”. Thanks for your participation, in the discussion. @K1nsey6@lemmy.world & @AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world So what’s your plan? Are you expecting to initiate change by whining on federated social media? Just askin’.
Theres an actual document called What Is To Be Done. You might want to check it out instead of asking for other people to do your work.
Whenever a liberal asks, what is the plan? They do that as a thought terminating question because they don’t want to hear what the plan is unless it involves their party
Ah, and so you reference a PDF from 1902 (https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/download/what-itd.pdf) link not provided because you assume I won’t bother to look for your reference. Lenin knew, given the magickal crystal ball he possessed, all the way back in 1902 what was going to happen 124 years later? smh. Who is trying to terminate discussion? It seems to be you.
The basic principles have not changed and neither have the parties.
And like I said we are not doing the work for you
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Why do I get the feeling you’re not being genuine? Like tucker carlson going “I’m just asking questions here.”
“Your idea references a document from 1902, therefore it’s bad”.
Why don’t you actually read my comment since I already told you what I will do.
Yes
Things can’t get better until you realize you are not the good guys
An elephant and a donkey fight in a puppet show and the crowd cheers for one or the other because one of them is going to decide how good your future is. And when people start to notice their life is getting harder for working people most of the time, they’re told they can stop the decline by cheering louder for the puppet that’s not currently in power.
The reality today is one of those puppets is going to be in control. Would you like the one that tries to clean the wounds and put on bandaids or the one that keeps playing with knives?
You can sit at the puppet show quietly, but whether or not you cheer, they’re going to pick a winner. If you want to leave this circus you better hope the puppet that is open to the idea of changing how we pick a winner starts winning a lot.
If you are paying attention none of our lives are getting easier. The one you are trying to claim is applying bandaids and attending the wound are the ones that caused the cut.
You don’t stick a knife in a man’s back 9 inches and pull it out 6 inches and say you are making progress. If you stick a knife in my back 9 inches and pull it out 6 inches, there’s no progress. If you pull it out all the way, then that’s still not progress. Progress is healing the wound that the blow made. And they haven’t pulled the knife out, much less healed the wound. They won’t even admit the knife is there
Malcolm X
You should also hope whoever is counting the donkey and elephant votes doesn’t change the numbers to elephant by just the right amounts in just the right places.
Whither nuance?
You don’t want to cheer harder? What are you trying to do? Hurt small businesses?
You didn’t suck off the pickpocket hard enough so its your fault the other pick pocket stabbed you
What gets me is how much a Democrat supporter will argue circular logic with you to the ends of the Earth. Not because your vote matters, but their narrative does. I live in a deep red state, not single vote of mine has mattered from local to national elections but boy do neo-liberals try to get me to believe the blue lie.
Not sure what the lie is. They’re better, but not great. Pretty simple really. But if you don’t matter then why are you getting involved in any political discussion?
The lie is that Democrats are the better choice. They have you locked up and kept lockup in a duopoly that represents the 1% while shitting on the working class. But Democrats are thankful that they at least get some blue shit.
There are politics outside of that duopoly which is why that their opinion and everyone else’s opinion politically matters
So concentration camps, new wars to distract from pedophiles, turning Gaza into a trump resort after removing everyone there, destroying alliances with other countries, getting rid of all trans rights, etc. that’s all irrelevant to you? It’s the same with all that?!?
I get that the duopoly sucks and the Democrats are also owned by the billionaires. But the destruction caused by trump will be felt for generations now already. A ground swell at the primaries for progressives can change the Democrats like it has in the past; just refusing to support them only gives power to the gop which is way way worse.
Ahh so marginalize people even more who are already marginalized by not letting them discuss issues? That’s your answer there?
Welll if they’re just going to try to convince people to indirectly support maga, then no, I don’t want to hear that ignorance.
There’s not a damn bit of difference between BlueMAGA like yourself and MAGA. The party you are supporting has directly led us to where we are right now. Fascism does not form in a vacuum, it requires the help of a complicit liberal party.
If the Dems were in power now the entire world would be in a much better place. I’m not sure how you can possibly not see that. But they simply don’t have the seats in either house to stop the fascists (especially considering the non-dem dems). They don’t have power mostly because too many idiotic Americans fell for Trump’s crap, but also because too many leftists failed to vote against him and the magas. Of course Dems are still beholden to the billionaires, and it would be great to primary out a bunch and get younger progressives in there. But they are so much better than trump/maga and if you don’t see that, you are being willfully ignorant.
To elaborate, you conflate not liking the Dems with liking MAGA when it’s not the case. You can’t conceive people disliking your slightly less conservatism with anything else other than MAGA. You’re incapable of thinking of a left side far beyond the Democrats you’re so far in yourself.
We may not like it, but we’re stuck with a two party system in the U.S. so when you fail to vote for one party, you are supporting the other. If you truely believe that the Dems are just as bad as maga or just don’t care about pedophile support, wars to distract, ruining international alliances, destroying environmental controls, trans rights, loss of international soft power, destroying international trade, etc., then you are saying that yes you support maga intentionally by not voting usefully against them. You can like more progressive ideals and fight like hell in the primaries, but if you don’t vote usefully against maga in the elections, then you are part of the problem.
THERE IT IS!
You like it when people support trump/maga from a position of ignorance?
I’m a majority of them don’t care about the marginalized, they talk a big game about protecting the marginalized while supporting a party that keeps them marginalized. The material conditions for the marginalized have been unchanged for decades. Now that the white liberals are starting to fill a pinch and notice that their material conditions are changing is why support for Democrats is at an all-time low
I don’t forget that the party was against gay marriage until very late into the 1990s when it was getting more driving force from the younger voters they wanted to cater to. I remember Al Gore listening to his wife to try and censor music because she found it offensive in the 1980s. They pivoted toward supporting the civil rights act only after outcry over it reached a fever pitch. You have to drag them kicking and screaming to care about people not them or accept change at all. I’m done with being their whipping boy and being forced to tow the line by trying to make me out to be the villain.
When they recognize a marginalized group their material conditions never change. Democrats claim to support the trans community and being able to use the bathroom of choice, but don’t care you are living in the streets whole making those decisions. They claim to support the black community whole building up oppressive police forces and helping build cop cities across the country, with cops being trained by the IDF, the same IDF currently slaughtering Palestinians. They supported MLK and civil rights that hated MLK after the bill was signed.
This is who’s they’ve always been.
The white man will try to satisfy us with symbolic victories rather than economic equity and real justice.
~ Malcolm X
I used to think you could argue on good terms with Dems, that has become painfully apparent to be wrong over 10 years ago now.
Having been raised socialist that’s been my entire experience.
Too smart for the people who need to understand it I fear.
What do you mean it doesn’t look like anything at all
Works the same for all the crap people argue about on the internet. Sorry but you can’t solve these social issues by accumulating ethical purity karma.
