Surely this time companies will learn from this, right?
…Right?
Someone got a huge bonus for firing all those engineers.
Hell yeah, they did something similar at Kohl’s. Some dip shit executive who doesn’t understand how life works because he’s neppo baby had a suggestion to save the company MILLIONS.
Fire all the loss prevention people and that will pay for the theft currently happening. Dip shit didn’t realize they were actually doing something, and theft went up 5x in under 6 months once people figured out they could walk in, grab a duffle bag, fill it with Nike/UA/whatever and just walk out. They’re not allowed to even call the cops.
Bro got a 2 million dollar bonus, and now they can’t hire LP back because they obviously moved on.
They should try the same thing with the police. Since crimes happen anyway what’s the point in paying for them?
Although if you’re firing US police the crime rate may actually go down.
our bougie version of trader joes is doing this right now. shoplifters security, cant even be followed by hired security anymore, the homeless usually heroin and meth addicts just come in snatch stuff like no tomorrow. at this point there isnt a reason to have the security anymore. now you cant snatch the item back, talk to them in a “aggressive way” or pretend like you are blocking them.
the city kept clearing the “homeless/drug addict” areas, and they have swarmed the area since.
It’s amazing how these people can essentially burn billions, trillions combined, even, of dollars on very avoidable mistakes and it’s a “whoopsie” but you ask for a fraction of it to go to the citizens and it’s “a waste of money” or “might not work despite all the evidence from elsewhere”.
And then also the execs get a few million dollars a year in bonuses and such because they’re “so smart and important.”
Let’s be clear. The blame shouldn’t be on AI but on the fuckwads that made the decision to replace humans.
No it should also be on the AI. Its a useless fucking sloptool and those that use it should be ridiculed as well.
Yes, true. But, that is not the root cause of the issue we are discussing.
What’s the point of this distinction? AI gave them the excuse.
That’s like blaming a gun for murder.
“AI” is simply a tool that can be utilized for good, or foolishly applied to situations where it doesn’t make sense… by a human. It doesn’t make the choice itself.
That’s like blaming a gun for murder.
And yet, without guns there would be an order of magnitude less murders. This is literally the same argument the people who make billions manufacturing and selling guns use constantly to try to stop gun control laws that are proposed in order to stop people from killing other people with guns.
The argument that AI is simply a tool is a valid one but it’s ill applied here. If AI wasn’t here and hadn’t been so stupidly hyped by the people trying like hell to make billion$ from it, the situation Ford and their engineers ended up in wouldn’t have happened. The people who made the decision to fire people in favor of AI carry blame but so do the people who hyped up AI as a really good replacement for human workers.
Truthfully I hope the people Ford hired back squeeze every dime they can out of them and are able to find jobs at places that appreciate them and their talents better. Fuck Ford and Fuck AI.
Nuclear bombs are also “just a tool” but this is a meaningless point to make. Technology enabling something to happen means it should be included in the discussion without someone going “it’s just an innocent inanimate object 🥺” as if that changes the discussion at all. Seems like a weak defense of a shitty technology used to do shitty things.
I still think it was a big mistake to bail out the auto makers. Now all cars are just giant phones with some how even worse privacy laws. “Saftey” tech just keeps getting forcefully regulated into them, making them more expensive and making shittier drivers who can’t even look in their blind spots anymore because those stupid blind spot detectors. We are pretty much at the point where we have Vin lock parts and can’t replace a windshield motor without paying 1.8k to bring it back to the manufacturer, and thats BEFORE the labor from their licensed tech who is the only person who can touch the god damn thing I own and I will be paying off for 48 months at 450 dollars a month.
Oh but don’t worry I think its ford themselves that have a patent for self driving cars to be able to repo themselves. So the the poor dealership that fucked me over won’t lose any money when I can no longer afford payment on some of the shittiest trucks they’ve made.
Don’t get a car or truck past 2013. Honestly peak cars IMO all existed around 90s-2006. Some good hits in the 80’s too but you’re prob not going to daily something that old. You all are going to want to learn how to work on your own car. If you don’t have the tools and a shop it sucks a bit more and is sketchy sometimes, try to make a car friend or have people to ping off of. You can rent a lot of the tools too but I would insist on buying if its not like 300 bucks all at once. You want a good air compressor, a 12v battery charger/tester, a standard craftsman set, some ramp blocks/jacks, and the basic hand tools and you can do most things just fine.
So much of learning how to fix a car is kind of just having to fix it. I’ve only had 4 cars ive had to fix and daily drive sense ive started trying. And I came from practically no knowledge. YouTube surprisingly has had every single fix I needed for my exact model, and I would just google my problems and end up on forums from literally 2008 with the exact same problem and it was ususally solved. Most of the time its just replacing sensors, replacing gaskets, changing fluids or cat converter. Sometimes it doesnt fix it, so you just replace the next suspected thing.
I’m ready to sell my air compressor. 30 gal but not a ton of cfm. 18v hits plenty hard on my impact and tire inflator for the actual air need.
You aren’t even going to keep it for blowing out crumbs in your keyboard? I got one of those tornado air whip guns and I bust that thing out everytime I need to work on the car just because I like to play with it. I’ll bust out all the floor mats and blast the with air to avoid doing any real work.
Also I don’t like using tire inflators, you get a cheap 12v one and you burn out the motor trying to inflate all 4 tires at once. Its good to keep in the car for an emergency but it can’t be good for some of the smaller portable ones.
Its just so nice to have compressed air even if you don’t plan on using air impact tools. And just having the compressor opens you up to a whole new world of tools not even car related. Sand blasting, spray painting, roofing, framing. Mine also doesnt have enough cfm to do air wrenches but I still love the thing.
I have an inflator for my chosen 18v battery system and have used it probably 100+ times. Going strong. If I was going to do any of the other things, a small pancake compressor would be fine and take up a lot less garage space.
My little 12v impact will take the nuts of the lugs of my Subaru, but I need the 18 for the f350.
They will fire these people again the minute they get AI working the way they want it. They better be getting extra compensation for returning.
buying time so they can force the “returned employees” to train south america,eastern european and some indian tech engineers and then fire the american ones.
When a car company has this many recalls, it should be enough to automatically ban all of their unsold vehicles from the streets. Until they pass several inspections and audits.
Who knows how many people died or were irreversibly injured due to at least 11 million faulty cars. That number is still probably on the low end.
All this policy would do is encourage manufacturers to bury defects so that they don’t have any recalls.
What do you think they do now?
Volkswagen anyone?
Did they include “do not hallucinate” in the prompt? Didnt think so. Classic mistake
Unbelievably, this is real advice I’ve heard from corporate AI experts.
It is included in the guardrails for my orgs copilot integration. Surprisingly, it still hallucinates.
If you ask chatgpt for 100 5 letter words around a single topic, instead of saying it can’t give you 100 words it will just start adding 6 letter words and then start cutting off a letter.
It’s astounding how much faith people put in this software
Well that’s just ridic
That movie was ridic too
Obviously the solution is to tell it to not hallucinate that it isnt hallucinating
it will hallucinate that its not hallucinating.
so tell it to not hallucinate that it isnt hallucinating that it isnt hallucinating.
"Oh, thanks for pointing that out, I 100% hallucinated those connections this last time. Let’s go over what’s real:
- real
- real
- real
- hallucinated
- real"
Surprisingly
“I do not think it means what you think it means.”
I went to a conference a few months ago and the very first speaker gave the following advice with a straight face to a room full of professional software engineers: “Your biggest limitation on your productivity is going to be token management, so just buy as many tokens as you can so you won’t even have to think about it.” And that guy, supposedly, didn’t work for OpenAI or Anthropic.
I kind of hope he’s at least getting kickbacks because I would rather he be a secret corporate AI shill than just a submissive gimp for dommy mommy AI industry attempting to recruit more paypigs to her flock. At least that would have more dignity.
i always wondered what they are peddling at these AI conferences, we have them almost daily here in the west. im not really surprised they have a hired “spokesman” to do it, are the engineers buying into this? or they know full well the AI isnt shit?
Well, the unfortunate truth is AI is an extremely useful tool for software engineering. I’ve gotten to where I use it most days and it has made some tasks waaaay easier and faster.
But it’s not a silver bullet that solves all your problems and replaces an engineer that understands their projects, business needs, context, inter-team dependencies and agreements, risk mitigation, etc. And we also understand that it will never be cheaper than it is right now and getting too dependent on a tool that may be prohibitively expensive in the future is unwise.
If I were an independent contractor, paid by the job, building a bespoke self contained application for someone where they give me all the context I need for it, I’d 100% be using AI to do the majority of the coding and testing. Get the job done fast and move on. But throwing all of your money at it like it will solve all your problems is just moronic, particularly when you work at an enterprise scale where literally no individual person can give the AI the full context of all our systems.
Lulz, amen to that
“Write program worth 1 million dollars. Do not hallucinate. No mistakes. Good code only. Make secure. No vulnerabilities. Follow all standards. No spaghetti code. No anti-patterns. No deprecated dependencies. Runs fast, and cheap, and completely functionally. Does what it is supposed to. Minimize token use.”
Perfect. Iron-clad. Let the profits commence.
This is like not even a parody of what they think lol. It’s so ridiculous.
Got it, this program was worth one million dollars before uber was invented.
the AI would Hallucinate the part where “it doesnt hallucinate”
see my other comment.
I’d be pretty funny if they sued whoever sold them the a.i. for false advertising.
Well in fairness to ford this is the first time that any company has ever tried to replace all their stuff with AI. There has been no prior attempts and therefore no cautionary tales they could possibly have learnt from. This was an utterly unavoidable mistake and no one needs to be fired over it.
/s
So scary to realize these business barrons have zero qualms with putting our lives in the hands of untested technology to make a few more buck to light their already full coffers and that it’s already happening with AI
It’s because their positions are often like that “rest of the owl” drawing meme, only it makes sense to them because other people do the filling in of the details and solving the problems. So when an AI can produce the early part of that drawing and confidently promises that it can fill in the rest of the owl, they see it as the same as what their teams were doing prior and unironically believe that them saying “ok, go do that” is the important part, so an LLM should be as competent as a team of engineers.
It takes an engineer who knows the material well enough to see that LLM accuracy is incredibly low, even when it seems to be making sense.
I bet AI is especially enticing to those of the “It can’t be that hard” mentality.
Conversations about AI aside for a moment, God bless random trade dudes making YouTube videos. Thanks to them, I’ve learned about 80% of most jobs can be picked up with minimal training.
It takes an engineer who knows the material well enough to see that LLM accuracy is incredibly low, even when it seems to be making sense.
This was my take until even this year, but honestly it has improved since a year or even six months ago.
It still lies to you and needs to be given pointers constantly, and many other caveats, but the reality is that all of the investment and coming up with the failure loop perfected by Claude Code changed things IMO.
It’s really depressing to think about how all of these rich fucks set a trillion dollars on fire to eliminate one of the only good paying careers available. It’s almost like it’s time to riot or something. 🤷
I still don’t think that means the c suite will be able to fire all of the programmers. It’ll still be the nerds’ job to get the robot to produce the software. It’s likely just going to make life more miserable for the remaining programmers because more and more will be expected of less of them.
Yeah but could you imagine if one of Ford’s executives could only afford ONE yacht??? UNTHINKABLE
The American business model is obsessed with cutting costs to raise profits. Increasing market share and developing new streams of revenue all have an investment cost and take time. Cutting labour has no immediate cost and it makes line go up for the next quarter, and that’s what their compensation packages are dependent on.
That’s why the idea of AI is so attractive to pretty much every CEO, it’s the business hack to reduce labour cost that they’ve been looking for since we outlawed slavery.
i would like to see the day when a PE firm buys ford, GM.
Just look at the workers rights movement. Capitalists can, and will crush you like an plump ant under their boot. It’s only regulation that gives them a moment’s pause.
No company ever has your best interest at heart.
It’s scary, but also very unsurprising. Companies haven’t seen their workers as actual human beings for many years. That’s the bigger problem that is behind all of this.
They have a department called “human resources”. Come on. They see humans as just another resource.
And that department exists to protect the company from said “resource”
they are hoping to make money, before someone else holds the bag, its not thier problem if they can kick the can down the road for someone else to deal with.
Yes nothing has changed.
There was a brief time in the early 90s when Object-Oriented Programming was still new to the business world. Clueless managers thought it meant somebody could draw a box labeled “Do Payroll” and somehow software would appear. They’re doing that same thing now with AI.
Your average MBA
Clueless managers and completely misunderstanding new trends, name a more iconic duo.
As an experienced software engineer with tons of OOP experience, I have no idea what this is even supposed to mean.
It’s in the context of app design software where you make diagrams of objects, properties and methods and their interactions, and it spits out object schemas.
Except object oriented programming is a real thing that exists.
Yeah but it doesn’t work out described, if you do it wrong then it won’t work
While Output = wrong
Run CreateOutput
Print Output.deleted by creator
Wait really?
Tell me you’re a manager without telling me
Imagine all the recalls they didn’t do because being sued and settling costs less
That’s not actually how recalls (usually) work. Companies don’t unilaterally decide when a recall happens or not.
If Monsanto can hide the fact that they paid off scientists to say Glyphosate is safe for 30 years when they knew it caused cancer, I don’t know whether I can trust that. I’m sure they have ways to hide recalls to deny, delay, and defend the process…
That depends on how many political “contributions” the company has made.
Right but OP watched Fight Club.
The people responsible for this obviously stupid mistake were replaced, right? Right?
Crazy how these tweets/notes dont have CEO being held responsible !? Like no names nothing. But have one good quarter and they are in FORBES magazine COVER
Yes, ironically with AI
