Maybe dont support the wholesome chungus nazi just because he says he is progressive next time?
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I wish the sexual assault survivor behaved in a way more politically favorable to me :( what a unnecessary and compassionless thing to say
yeah there’s no way this guy could have known that platner was an unsavory guy before this! could it be that doing 4 tours guarding a concentration camp with the rape and murder club would make you a rapist and a murderer? could it be that the totenkopf actually wasn’t all that obscure and someone almost certainly would have said something to him at some point, even if he didn’t know himself? no way. we have to believe everything this nazi says up until the point that amerikkkans become the victim. so long as he wasn’t doing any of that shit to westerners, it was all A-OK. of course, none of this would have raised any red flags with hasan or his base because hasan himself is exactly this kind of guy. his own “latent” chauvinistic tendencies made it impossible for him or his fans to see too much of a meaningful difference between platner and hasan. this whole thing was just a rant against hasan piker. god i hate that man so much.
I remember when the Nazi tattoo was revealed and it was telling how Hasan, Majority Report, Breaking Points, and all these other people just lined up to defend him.
It broke my brain. I actively had cognitive dissonance over it. I tried to box the whole thing up and push into a corner of my mind because I couldn’t bear the idea of how fucking wrong it was that they supported this guy.
I want all these media personalities who defended this guy, to apologize, and disappear forever.
There are users of this website that supported him
Last time we had a bunch of Hasan chat on this site a whole lot of his fans said to STFU and go outside. Well now what lol
I guess I went outside lol having a great time
Same 😄, best of luck to you ❤️
Haha nice
I don’t hold posters on the fan forum for Citations Needed to the same standards
I dunno folks here say they’re anarchist/socialist/communist and folks on those shows are all just libs. This site is much less influential of course.
It might be tolerable if they admitted they had made the wrong judgement rather than this just being something there was no way to anticipate, but that is not the reaction that I’ve seen.
I mean, it’s hard to say that Hasan ever “defended” platner. Perhaps skeptical of the previous NYT article, but the only real accusation there was from a right wing operative, so skepticism was warranted
Could he have condemned him harder, sure, but he never suggested this is the new model for Dems (Mamdani and DSA NY clearly have that endorsement from him). If anything from what I’ve seen he used platner to illustrate the hollow nature of the Dems and also the desire for socialism (and platner of course doesn’t identify as such and was basically a grifter drafting behind left momentum).
Could he have been more full throated/anti-troop? Sure. But he’s doing electoralism in america where the civic religion around troops is wild. But it’s hard to say “you’re wrong” about someone being aremoved when, again, the only other accusations were from a right wing hatchet woman who helped get Brett kavanaugh on the supreme court.
If anyone is still defending platner though, they need to get purged asap. He’s a very good cautionary tale for why we need better organization to find people who aren’t just grifters reading the room or half baked radicals.
I mean, it’s hard to say that Hasan ever “defended” platner.
This is unquestionably false. He did not give a blanket defense of Platner, but he defended various aspects that were already indefensible.
Perhaps skeptical of the previous NYT article, but the only real accusation there was from a right wing operative, so skepticism was warranted
I have no problem with how he responded to the NYT article, and in fact I think his response was better than your summary, which mentioned the RW operative’s possible motivation but still lent credence to what was said instead of de facto discarding it out of hand.
Could he have been more full throated/anti-troop? Sure. But he’s doing electoralism in america where the civic religion around troops is wild.
His approach amounted to tailism. You don’t need to unconditionally crucify someone for being a vet (this was the false dichotomy that he still uses), but someone that has Platner’s military record and wears that record as a badge of honor should not be considered leadership material for progressives. This should not be a hard sell even to left-liberals, and even if it was, that’s an integral part of the job of political agitation and education. You can’t just embrace wildly reactionary trends because they are currently popular, that’s not a basis for a socialist movement and in fact works toward the detriment of such a movement, serving instead to entrench those reactionary trends and to muddy your actual platform.
You can’t just embrace wildly reactionary trends because they are currently popular, that’s not a basis for a socialist movement and in fact works toward the detriment of such a movement, serving instead to entrench those reactionary trends and to muddy your actual platform.
it’s even worse because hasan has actually shown himself to be willing to do this over gaza/palestine, he lost a big chunk of his audience for awhile over it and yet he’s unwilling to do so again to go against the troop worship in this country for whatever reason
Yeah, I think it’s kind of difficult to make sense of, though it’s worth noting that while it’s good he didn’t endorse Harris, he did vote for her and publicly say so and has continuously defended “harm reduction” narratives, even as he’s decided to push against it with Newsome’s hypothetical presidential bid (for now), so I wouldn’t call him completely principled there either even if I do need to give him credit for biting the bullet on the Oct 7 Hasbara backlash.
I can only find two real reasons: One is hyperfixation about a particular approach to fighting zionism, which is very consistent with how he talks about elections where he thinks beating an AIPAC-backed candidate overrides other concerns (e.g. the depravity of the “alternative” candidate being supported). Two is that he has increasingly become more open about his entryism, to the point that his “communist” supporters basically need to make conspiracy theories to justify him believing in the necessity of revolution in America. You can see this especially (but not exclusively!) in interviews, where he talks about his aspirations to reform the Democratic Party.
on hasan: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11567635
They just really want their turn to run the empire 🤷♀️
An empire BY and FOR the working class of America!
Mom did say it was my turn
These people suuuuuuck. The Platner shit has been so fucking frustrating to me since whenever it was I heard about the guy.
And they’re acting fucking surprised about it! When I heard this I was like “wait didn’t he already have allegations and say sketchy SA apologia shit on his confirmed reddit account?” And yes apparently, but that wasn’t enough.
Just absolutely shameful bullshit. I hope these people at least remember how they talked to the people who criticized this guy, now that they’ve finally arrived at the conclusion the rest of us have been at since more-or-less the beginning of his campaign gaining traction ( I have no faith in them to learn shit).
I think the reaaon this stings liberals more than the tat or the military history just comes down to optics. They don’t care about this or any of the other shit. But they think that OTHER people care about this and they want to be conspicuously moral, so this being a big deal becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
They know the media will never shutup about this whereas they will absolutely apologize for the tat and celebrate the military bg.
I believe you’re right, most of the comments I see (this includes haSSan piKKKer btw) are “wow he’s finished, I don’t think his campaign can weather this” and not “what a disgusting piece of shit I regret having ever supported the guy”. And it’s very clearly because they were already not just prepared to look past everything, but already in full
mode when people are talking about his nazi tattoo and war crimes and whatnotHasan, and most political commentators, always talk like that. It’s not because they don’t have a personal opinion, it’s because the overall analysis is more important than the opinion of an individual. Opinion always comes through such analysis, and you can definitely criticise his analysis and what it says about him, but you really can’t make any of the conclusions you’re making from the way he speaks about every political issue.
She could not possibly have been more politically favorable. She said that her agreement with his politics played a role in her not coming forward sooner and made her consider not coming forward at all. She said she doesn’t blame people who still choose to vote for him.
Side note: fuck Jake Tapper. The way he questioned her was gross and incredibly insensitive.
as is the democratic tradition
It’s so crazy to me that everyone is deciding he’s bad now. I figured he SAd someone all the way back when his Reddit comments about it in the military came out because obviously a guy who’s complaining about being falsely accused of SA has done it. Then this stuff basically came out a month ago and everyone pretended it was fake for some reason? It took one of his victims coming forward and describing in explicit detail what happened for people to be like “oh that’s bad”.
He was always deeply chud-coded.
yeah anyone thats dealt with toxic dudes saw this coming a mile away. these dudes dont stop being freaks, its just apology circus and then they do something freaky again. their big hope is to find someone they can bully forever
They’re not surprised he’s done it, they’re surprised it came out after the primary but before the general
Western DSA types so desperate for a win, they’d sign on with Hitler himself
idk, there is kind of this idea that like “sure, statistics are not in this guy favor but maybe this time it’s different”. It’s very ‘dead dove do not eat’ type of thing and people seem to fall for it every time. I try to be patient but it gets really hard sometimes. I get tired of being Cassandra of Troy tbh
Pathetic on so many levels
it’s unsurprising, but really? This many people caping this hard, this late, for the most obvious candidate to pull a ‘Fetterman-Manchin-Sinema-Lieberman’ special on liberals a year after he wins election, and they’re all shitting themselves like this?
He was obviously a terrible person before this, he doesn’t even have good politics, he was not going to be a difference maker even IF he didn’t engage in the self sabotage this party deliberately employs, and now he’s quite obviously aremoved
Fucking stop
a year after he wins election
look I’ve hated the guy since the jump but didn’t he win his primary like a couple weeks ago?
I was referring to him actually winning as a ‘progressive’, then becoming an open demon later
I wish every guy who does this shit when a sexual assault survivor doesn’t behave in a way that they “approve of” a very big knife to the kidney. If she had gone on the record earlier, guys like this would’ve just been dismissing it as her trying to either “destroy his career” or “get her five minutes of fame” disgusting.
yeah well maybe if people treated victims better and the government wasn’t full of trumps, clintons, bidens, kavanaughs, and thomases people would come forward faster.
Who could have seen this coming?
Wild that all these powerful people that thrive in a system that rewards predatory behaviour all end up being predators and overall disgusting people.
Seriously, dude had bought into the military enough to re-enlist and become a merc after he’s out, that alone made it clear he has no problem dehumanizing people. Combine that with the extremely sexist/misogynist military culture and I’m not at all surprised he SA’d someone
I don’t wanna know what he got up to when he was a troop or a merc
But brown people’s lives have always meant less to
so it’s not shocking that it took him fucking around with white women to fucking sandbag himI mean if he did assault an Iraqi woman it’s not like anyone in the west would ever find out, our glorious free press would just ignore her because they see her as an untermensch
Yeah
It’s absolutely disgusting
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