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If they would just have combed the desert.
They ain’t found shit!
Kenobi could just be a common name, like looking for a John Smith. Also, with multiple planets full of people, there could be thousands of ‘Kenobi,’ even if the name is not common.
“Oh so these rags you wear are some kind of disguise?”
“Oh no, these are the typical robes of a Jedi. All Jedi dress like this.”
You bring up one of my annoyances with Lucas. It’s clear, when re-watching Jedi that Luke’s black attire is intended to be the dress of a Jedi, indicating that he’s finally made it as a full-fledged Jedi knight. And if you look at both Kenobi and Yoda, they are wearing some kind of brown colored shirt under their busted robes that has a similar collar like what Luke is wearing in Jedi. So, like, the robes are covering a Jedi uniform, but are not themselves actual Jedi dress.
By the prequels, Lucas has completely forgotten this and makes Kenobi and Yoda look like they’re stupid. And Vader too, for that matter. But, the bright side is that wonderful blue drip that Ben is rocking in the Kenobi series might not have happened, so… trade off?
Lucas is a just a shit writer. Great world builder. But terrible at executing that vision into a coherent screenplay. All his great works are co-written with someone else or Lucas only wrote the story and an other writer turned that into the screenplay. The only good movie where he was the only writer is A New Hope but that one was basically saved in the editing room by his ex wife. It’s no wonder that she won an Oscar for editing that movie.
The Prequels is when he got full creative control. Besides directing and production, he also wrote the screenplays by himself and was more deeply involved in the editing. He was constantly in the editing room giving notes to the editor. And it just shows, the Prequels are his worst movies.
He never expected to make 3 movies, much less 6. The original footage was a mess till his first wife re-cut it for him. He was so green when he started, as he moved along he changed him mind on how he wanted things to look/work so strongly that he went back and edited the crap out of it all. Most of our love for the series is based on how good she handled ANH, how well he managed to direct the actors, and how well the actors did themselves for being green themselves. His story for it all was pretty consistently inconsistent :)
I like that the existence of a space registry implies the existence of a space DMV
And existence of a Database Administrator tasked with TRACKING AN ENTIRE GALAXY’S WORTH OF SETTLEMENTS.
Only in the US (that I know of) is the DMV coupled with ID cards.
Hes just an old wizard, so hes cool
I hate to defend bad writing, and I hate even more when fiction feels the need to retroactively try to explain things that don’t need it, but here goes anyway.
In the novel Kenobi the Tatooine locals find out his last name and immediately start wondering if he’s related to any of the other Kenobis they know in the area. So they do at least give a few paragraphs to pointing out that it’s a somewhat common last name.
Then there’s “Skywalker,” where fans say oh it’s a common last name that’s why no one batted an eye at it. But I just assume that Luke went by Luke Lars up until the events of ANH.
There’s probably something in canon that contradicts that, and the Kenobi novel is no longer canon either, but you know what? It’s all made up and I don’t care, I just picture it like I want to.
It leaves a bitter taste that the blockbuster Fantasy need to have writing that falls apart the moment you look slightly deeper into it (Star Wars and Harry Potter come to mind).
The post assumes that he is even registered. Kenobi is hiding on a backwater desert planet ruled by a crime syndicate. Unless there is some detail in the movies I forgot, I think it is reasonable to assume that he might not even appear in any imperial registry.
Do you mean to imply that Kenobi might not have been paying property taxes!?!?
Where was Yodas social security checks being picked up?
“PO Box on Dantooine have I. Wear baseball cap and sunglasses when checking it, I do.”
He was the villain all along
The real victims were the billions of people paying for Ben’s free lunch
Give onto the Emperor what is the Emperor’s…
Undeclared income is the real bane of organized crime
This makes me think about property records in Somalia over the past 30 years or so.
Between ANH and ESB Vader sent Boba to hunt down the pilot that destroyed the death star. This led Boba to Tatooine, where he investigated/interrogated people who knew Luke and eventually found/fought him at Obiwans house.
Boba returned to Vader with only 1 thing. The name Skywalker. This is what revealed to Vader he had a son, and after dueling Luke, a daughter as well.
…
As far as Kenobis name… My head cannon is that he mind tricked people into thinking they knew someone to send vader on a wild goose chase. Obiwan would use a false name instead of putting innocent people with the same last name in danger.
I just assume Darth Vader is generally disconnected from his past life as Anikin Skywalker, and specifically has some serious emotional blockage around Tatooine and avoids thinking of place because of some bad things that happened there in the past.
Vader sent Boba to hunt down the pilot that destroyed the death star. This led Boba to Tatooine
Fucking how?
How the hell would he have figured out which pilot destroyed the Death Star (especially well after the fact)? How would he identify that pilot as Luke? How would he trace Luke back to Tatooine?
Maybe it started with Vader trying to find the pilot of that hunk of junk that not only spent a few hours in the hangar of the Death Star, but also later came back and shot him and gave the X-wing (with the pilot that he felt was strong in the Force) an assist? Vader figured that the ship was a smuggling ship and that maybe Boba might know something about it. Yada yada, he learns that a kid named Skywalker was picked up on Tattooine by that same ship. I mean, there was that Elephant faced dude working as an Imperial informant on Mos Eisley that sent Stormtroopers after the droids being smuggled onto that very same ship…
I mean, they had a whole award ceremony for them at the end of the movie, so a lot of people were aware of who destroyed the death star. Seems kinda likely that the information could be found out.
Maybe someone in the Rebellion had loose lips.
How the hell would he have figured out which pilot destroyed the Death Star
Vader saw lukes xfighter.
From Wookiepedia:
All spaceships have transponders that identify them, are vital for fleet/spaceport navigation, and are illegal/difficult to modify or remove; which the rebels did not routinely do.
It makes sense a vehicle make and model would be enough for one of the galaxies best bounty hunters to go off of.
All spaceships have transponders that identify them, are vital for fleet/spaceport navigation, and are illegal/difficult to modify or remove; which the rebels did not routinely do.
Okay, first of all, this is absolutely bonkers for military spacecraft. For a fighter – a spacecraft designed for combat – such a system should be easy to disable with just a switch in the cockpit. To have a transponder that automatically identifies you even to enemies is a huge disadvantage for no reason. Absolutely ruins any pretense of stealth/surprise, could easily be used to augment enemy target tracking…
I don’t quite buy it being difficult to remove, either.
But especially being illegal to remove really shouldn’t be much of an issue for an active rebellion. Removing a spaceship transponder is the very least of the illegal things they’ve been doing.
It makes sense a vehicle make and model would be enough for one of the galaxies best bounty hunters to go off of.
No it doesn’t, not at all! There were dozens of X-Wings involved in the assault on the Death Star. And there were probably hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of X-Wings all over the galaxy. To track one particular one – and its particular pilot – down, you’re going to need a lot more than just the spaceship model.
Also take into consideration, the entire rebellion at this point is taking pains to remain hidden and difficult to find, and they’re not going to take kindly to bounty hunters working on Imperial contracts.
But supposing that Boba Fett is just somehow that magically good at finding people … in that case, the Empire wasted a lot of time and resources trying to track down rebel bases when they could have just asked Boba Fett to find them. If he can track down a single particular rebel pilot based on extremely sparse information, finding an entire rebel base should be no problem at all.
Nobody said star wars didn’t have plot holes lol
IMO the mitigating factor is the size of the Galaxy with regards to finding the rebels.
Luke wasn’t trying to hide when he went to Tatooine AFAIK.
But ya the transponders thing is hella silly
Even in actual militaries there are transponders and IFF systems. Transponders are turned off during combat, but the IFF systems are not, to enable identification for other friendly military aircraft. If something similar exists in the Star Wars universe, then those IFF systems could be hacked/infiltrated by the enemy or by a particularly skilled bounty bunter.
Maybe I am stupid, but I don’t understand what this has to do with Kenobi’s name or him being registered. He is already dead at that point and had revealed himself to Vader beforehand.
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In the Radio Drama, Obi-Wan even says to Han Solo that he hasn’t touched money in a long time and has been making his way on his own for some time.
I take that to mean he has no official presence on tatooine.
Plus let’s be honest, rim worlds don’t exactly have good, robust governments that keep track of everyone. They made that clear early on. You can patrol the streets of major cities and their space ports, but without a major presence, the empire has no idea who lives where in the outer rim.
Plus “Skywalker” would definitely be a common name given how historically on earth a lot of last names correspond to trades and careers, so a “Skywalker” was descended from someone who got their name piloting, or generally being someone who spends a lot of time in space.
So combine all those together with the characters being on a planet that Darth Vader has every reason to hate and disregard, (he was a slave there, his mother died there and he feels responsible, and also… Sand…) the empire could comb the desert and not find shit.
I love the radio dramas. I also love that George Lucas loved NPR so much that he worked with the NPR station near Skywalker Ranch to make it happen.
I love that George Lucas was in it for the love of the game. He’s a true artist.
edit: fuck me he’s pro AI in movies.
People love to shit on his creative decisions in the prequels… but at least he wasn’t making them for the vapid commercially driven motivations infecting everything now a days.
Dude was passionate about making cool movies in new ways; and he succeeded.
Love of the game and the toy rights.
TBF they made some really cool toys. Like the “extending nested plastic sword” for lightsabers. All the lego sets. The video games. I played the crap out of OT side scrollers. The Star Wars trading cards predate Pokémon.
You had me at “Sand…” :-P
If you’re hiding from Darth Vader, you should always make sure you’re hiding somewhere with lots and lots of sand.
I always keep a pocket full of sand just in case the Emperor sends his favourite cyborg after me
Darth Vader never once in all those years went to have Thanksgiving Dinner with his half brother.
Think of what good for the Empire would have occured.
He wasn’t his half brother, he would’ve been a step brother, wouldn’t he?
Also the Lars family always over-cooks the turkey and Owen is always saying some racist bullshit about sand people at the dinner table every fucking year.
I thought Shimi was mother to Darth and Owen but I may be wrong. I suppose probably not since it was only like 5 years or something when he went back.
I mean the empire hunted down every Jedi, you’d think they could hunt down every Skywalker and every Kenobi as well
So, the storyline on “every last Jedi” gets soft around the edges with all the EU material. Because everyone wants to write a book or do a game or whatever about “the OTHER other last Jedi”. And then you’ve got to explain Joruus C’baoth. And nobody wanted to see Ahsoka Tano die. And they resurrect Darth Maul at some point. And and and…
This means you get a bunch of hand-waving explanations for why this or that professionally trained force user doesn’t fall under Yoda’s strict categorization of “Jedi”, at the moment he says the thing to Luke Skywalker in the Third Movie. And, along the way, it carves out a bunch of caveats and exceptions for why Darth Vader didn’t quite get them all.
Frankly, I think it’s enough to say the galaxy is big and Tatooine is very remote and the Empire doesn’t have a ton to fear from a Jedi survivor who kept his head down for twenty years.
That’s why I choose to believe Luke went by Lars, and just sort of ignore the fact that they knew Ben’s last name.
Bruh the moves are barely canon any more. A good explanation is a good explanation.
Luke went by Luke Lars up until the events of ANH.
Wormie Lars.
In the novel Kenobi the Tatooine locals find out his last name and immediately start wondering if he’s related to any of the other Kenobis they know in the area.
Kenobi is from a grassworld so I don’t buy the “common name” thing. Doesn’t make sense. In my head cannon he jedi mind tricked people around him into thinking they knew someone with the same last name. If Vader got too close he’d get sent on a bunch of wild goose chases. Also if there were actual Kenobi’s Obiwan would be putting them in danger and probably assume a false identity instead.
But I just assume that Luke went by Luke Lars up until the events of ANH.
Unfortunately he must have gone by Skywalker because after ANH Vader sent Boba to hunt the unknown pilot. Which led Boba to Tatooine, where he interrogated people who knew luke, fought him in Obiwans house, and revealed to Vader he had a son via the name Skywalker; which is probably the only reason Vader gave him future chances.
Easily the biggest plot hole in the entire star wars universe.
I don’t think it makes any sense to debate what makes sense in a fictional universe.
Unfortunately he must have gone by Skywalker because
I mean, you could just…ignore all that. I never read that particular part of the EU so I just don’t consider it.
Nothing in the prequels contradicts the possibility that Anakin Skywalker is kind of a doofus.
One on one Anakin is a goat. In a solo space craft, he is also a great.
But he never got to Jedi Master for lots of reasons and I suspect that part of it is his problem with large complex situations. He can’t even keep the Han from getting his peeps and two idiot droids from escaping in front of him while surrounded by his troops
Are you talking about in A New Hope? They intentionally let them escape so that they could track them back to the rebel base.
How did that plan work out?
No spoilers!
Oh yeah… LoL it’s been a while since I watched* it
The movies are one thing, but in the Clone Wars TV series Anakin was a reasonably competent general.
Anakin’s lowest point was when he was written by George Lucas, unfortunately. Other writers made him shine.
We ain’t found shit!
