Impact of the Democratic primaries: MS Now has been cutting back and forth to this bland-looking chart comparing democratic socialism to communism
democratic socialism
private home and business ownership
ok so that’s just capitalism, I hope you guys know that
now they should post home ownership rates between the commie countries and the sucdem/demsoc countries.
Capitalism can be reformed
The Manifesto is like 40 pages and even has a very simple list. They really cannot read can they.
Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
- Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
- A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
- Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
- Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
- Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
- Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
- Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
- Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
- Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
- Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production
Very insightful
I think even DSA is mostly on board with the 10 points
Number 6 is problematic for me. The state can control transport routes, but not all transport ation in general. Also, there should be private comm options, with many frequecies available for private users like HAM folks. I also want a private option or two for phones and maybe a state-ran, open source OS for mobile that is privacy respecting.
The state can control transport routes, but not all transport ation in general. Also, there should be private comm options, with many frequecies available for private users like HAM folks.
You’re still misunderstanding what is meant by “state” when Communists talk about it. The State is the collective self governance of the working class. The goal with the manifesto was to lay out a framework for using the existing power structures to destroy the monopolies and rule of capital.
The existence of private options implies the existence of a state enforcing the private rights of that company.
WHERE are they pretending to get this information from? you can’t just unquestionably shout unsourced shit with the justification ‘idk lol vibes’ and expect anyone to listen to you
I think they can
Yeah, the liberal audience already agrees so they won’t stop to ask for sources. Communism = authoritarian by default.
In contrast, most communists have had their worldview shaken to the core. This lends itself to healthy skepticism about political/economic beliefs such that new beliefs require more justification. Which doesn’t make all our political/economic beliefs correct–we don’t all agree, after all–but we will at least point to some historical or theoretical evidence to back up our views.
They are completely politically illiterate, none of them knows what any of these words mean. It’s like watching children pretending they’re grown-ups.
Time; Hampton Roads Naval Museum.
It’s not a useful source declaration but more then I’m used to from liberal media.
This is what is taught in schools across America in middle school social studies. This is just the common sense of this shithole, and nobody questions the ideology they swim within
Once again making me yearn for the day that a communist can just flippantly say shit about capitalism and then the institutions around them do not budge.
“Oh, you want capitalism? So you think it’s good when people drop nuclear bombs?”
“I get why you’d want capitalism, but I just don’t think it’s worth it to spend the finite resources on Earth on genocide though.”
“It’s okay to not like your manager, it’s another thing entirely to arbitrarily split up and duplicate work so that you can gamble on a better boss. If they’re really that bad, you’ll all vote them out.”
“The workplace isn’t just for gambling with money, you know. People work there and actually help society.”
“Oh, the reclaimed forest is taking up real estate? You want the trees to start paying rent? You want the tree money to buy politicians?”
The smarmy, smug shit I would say if I were simply given with power instead of having to be evaluated by LOSERS.
“Capitalism sounds good on paper but every time it’s been tried it failed because of human nature”
I have actually used this one lmao
“Capitalism doesn’t even work on paper. Obviously, communism is the better system.” (A line I have used in response to “communism only works on paper”.)
(I love the idea of a world in which socialism has become the default and capitalism is treated the way current Red Scare bullcrap treats “Scary Evil Communism”.)
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“The problem with capitalism is that eventually you run out of other people’s resources”
“Why would you want capitalism? People starve and live on the streets in capitalist countries!”
“Alex, finish your mashed potatoes. There are poor kids your age starving in a capitalist country.”
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Cool, I’ll take the communism option please.
It sounds so much better even in their propaganda example.
One communism, coming up.
WAITER! ONE COMMUNISM WITH EXTRA STRUGGLE SESSIONS PLEASE!
I’ve already depicted you as the column with “bad stuff” and me as the column with “good stuff”.
Same vibe
What I always liked about this meme is that it includes Luxemburg and Trotsky who both supported Lenin, and would have used similar measures as him.
I mean Trotsky was instrumental in a lot of authoritarian, anti-democratic stuff. He was in charge of crushing the Kronstadt Rebellion ffs. You can argue one way or the other about a lot of it, but his recasting as ‘the nice one’ is utterly ludicrous
Trotsky was an opportunist who quickly flipped to whatever position was expedient. He was in both the right and left oppositions, back and forth. He was whatever he needed to be. He was a Menshevik when they looked the strongest and swapped to the Bolsheviks when the wind blew the other way. It’s why Lenin never trusted him.
Marx also hated succs and social chauvinists and openly shat upon them constantly. These people clearly never read Marx. They had Bernie-types in his day too and ripped them into pieces.
“Authoritarian” is when billionaires have their wage-slaves taken away from them. I am very smart.
Are they wrong though? “social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism” and all that.
Notice how they never actually talk about whether these are actually effective strategies for improving society, it’s entirely vibes based. You must not think about what works, only what feels good. Consume. Don’t think.
The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that incentivizing individualism fails the working class and must be stopped.
- Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in The Communist Manifesto, presumably
The democratic socialism column disagrees with DSA’s platform in some key ways. In particular, DSA explicitly states capitalism needs to be replaced with socialism.
I was going to say; the last one is the bright dividing line between social democrats and democratic socialists.
Given that authoritarian means “theres laws and they are enforced” which is true of both of these columns, yeah the communism sounds pretty good to me. Why let things like train tickets or computers be market set prices when they could be government set? And why would I want private home ownership? If youre in favor of private hone ownership and homes as investment, youre in favor of the social murder of homeless people. I dont want people to die, so homes cannot be investment or privately owned and sold/traded on a market. And yes, incentivizing individualism does harm the working class. Suck my taint land
lordsscums and bootstrap believers, take a long walk off a short pier.Claiming Democratic “socialism” has “free and fair elections” is laughable after the shit we’ve witnessed the past decade. Shit’s gonna backfire on them when they’re laughed it off the room saying this stuff.
