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a couple snippets from the interview. the first snippet is about Tom Morelloa doing some concert to promote voting in the midterms. the second snippet is him saying that he didnāt vote for Kamala because of her complicity in Gaza genocide, he doesnāt use the word genocide.
bold is interviewer, non-bold in tom
Is there an argument that peopleās focus on Ed Sheeran is indeed a distraction from what they should be focusing on?
Yeah, 100 percent. Itās all right to shame him in this moment because he deserves the shame, but not the focus. The focus is your and my tax dollars are going to commit horrific war crimes in the Middle East, and that, I believe, should be the focus and what we should be doing our best to stop in its tracks.
Itās a clickbait, itās salacious, itās, āOh my gosh, poor Ed Sheeran.ā First of all, has Ed Sheeran never seen a Macklemore performance before in the last three years? He certainly shouldāve known what he was getting into.
The one thing thatās sort of adjacent is, this is a time where speech is being vilified and is a crime, where the truth is a crime, where skin color is a crime, where immigrant status is a crime, where gender is a crime, where sexual orientation is a crime. And itās my belief that the true crime is the rise of authoritarianism, and the true crime is the erosion of freedoms, and the true crime is an impending environmental disaster. And so my hope at each one of my shows, I deputize the audience as anti-fascist crime fighters, and thatās really the way that I think you have to look at the world right now. Like, what are the real crimes that are happening, and what is it that you and I can do to stop it?
Now that Iāve gotten you fired up ā your Power to the People Festival. What is its most essential purpose?
It is not PR or hyperbole to say it is a festival of peace, love, justice, and music. In a time where war is celebrated, this is a festival of peace. In a time where hatred and division are rife, this is a festival of love. In a time where injustice is the norm, this is a festival celebrating fighting for justice. In a time where thereās a lot of shitty music, thereās gonna be a lot of great music on this stage, so weāre going for four for four.
How much were the midterms on your mind when you scheduled this?
As my dear departed mom, Mary Morello, who passed away at 102 years old, was a very political person, said, āYouāve got to fight the fascists every which way you can.ā One of those ways is at the ballot box. Itās not the only way, and you should not just think that because youāve done that. Voting is a piece on the chessboard, and that you try to create an environment where in between the voting you can fight for a more just, a more peaceful, a more equal world.
And so, is the festival three weeks before the midterms? Yeah. Does the money from the festival go to voting rights organizations? Yeah, it does, but the festival is about something much bigger than that. Itās about what kind of world do you really wanna live in, and should we fight for that world, or should we settle for the one thatās being spoon-fed for us by the oligarchs?
Returning as promised to the electoralism issue ā there are some on the left who tend to argue it doesnāt matter, donāt bother voting, both sides are the same. So what would you say to someone on the left who says, āListen, man, I listen to Rage Against the Machine, and I know everyoneās the same. Itās about tearing down the power structure. Doesnāt matter who you vote for. Iām not votingā?
On the one hand, I think that rebellion is self-care, in a way, but I answered that already. Mary Morello was 100 percent right. You have to stop the fascists every which way you can. First of all, a lot of people who I greatly respect and admire the sacrifice theyāve made to try to get people with my color skin to be able to vote in this country, and have died, been lynched for it, theyāve been shot in the back for it, and itās very disrespectful to their memory to do that.
But that in and of itself is not going to change the levers of power in a significant way. Itās not. Itās not. You should do it. But it would be like, okay, great, you vote, and on the next day you start working. You start working harder for the world you really want without compromise and without apology. And not just putting in the hands of whatever corporate Democrat you choke down your vote for in that particular election, that itās your job to make the world the way that you think it could be to help those that are the most in need and to hold those accountable who are most guilty.
Do you feel that people on the left should have voted for Kamala Harris?
Iām crystal clear that peopleās conscience cannot allow them to do something that they fundamentally believe is wrong. I was the scheduling secretary for United States Senator Alan Cranston. I saw how the corporate Democrat sausage is made. It is worse than you think. And there is a reason, there is a righteous fury at the corporate controlled, money controlled electoral system we have that is absolutely legitimate, and people cannot choke down ā I understand it ā voting for a candidate thatās responsible for what happened in Gaza, and they just canāt do it, and Iām not gonna blame them for that.
But I think that putting it on them is the most cowardly thing. Put it on the fucking Democratic Party. First of all, I donāt believe itās their responsibility and theyāre never gonna necessarily never do the right thing, but I think itās all of our responsibility to co-create the world that we want and not point fingers at people that were just like, āWell, you know, my conscience didnāt allow me to do that, so itās your fault.ā I will not co-sign that.
Did you vote for Kamala?
I certainly did not.
You did not?
Did not. I couldnāt do it.
I didnāt realize that.
V for Vendetta ā that one inch of who you are belongs to you, and they canāt have it. Now, I live in a state where it may not have moved the meter, but I just couldnāt do it. Couldnāt do it.
Whenās the last time that you didnāt vote for the Democratic candidate?
Canāt remember the last time I did.
Wow, okay. I thought you were softening a little bit.
Canāt remember the last time I did.
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there are more than two parties
No shit? The lady who said there must be a peace-fireā¦ [cheers] ā¦ for at least six weeks (or some similar bullshit). And didnāt let any Palestinians speak at her big party. And told other activists to go to another rally for whatever they were saying. She lost? I wonder why.
Itās not difficult to meet your voters where they are if you actually listen to them.
The thing is, trump was WORSE for Gaza though but yāall didnāt care about that
The majority of deaths happened under Biden, you only think Trump was worse for Gaza because liberals were in doing everything they could to deny and downplay the genocide when they were doing it.
Worse how? Be specific
More funding and more bombs.
That specific enough?
Trump does not care about the lives of some ābrown peopleā.
You donāt care about the lives of āsome brown peopleā or anyone else but yourself, as long as blue team is the one dropping the bombs youāre fine with it
āmoreā funding and āmoreā bombs as if the democrats werenāt giving them everything they were asking for and then some. The majority of palestinian deaths occurred under Biden. The only difference is he was less crude about it and you didnt have to pretend to care
Biden literally userped the power of Congress to give them even more bombs.
But he wasnāt wearing a weird spraytan when he did it.
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āā¦all due to Trumpā
Itās not like Biden had anything to do withā¦ oh, wait what?
Well, itās not like Harris supported Bidenās pro-genocide positā¦ oh, what?
Well, at least the Democratic party gave the voters and actual choice as toā¦ oh, what now?
You could have stopped at āI donāt knowā and you would have sounded like a lot less of a moron
How is it āall thanks to Trumpā when it happened under Biden? Oh right, you were a genocide denier when it was your team doing it
I bet the people of Palestine are really glad Kamala wasnāt elected.
Why would it be any different for them? Israel was getting their bombs delivered either way
Because she could have been better, but weāll never know. Personally, I donāt have faith in capitalists or neoliberals. I voted for her because it was the right thing to do, but I never thought sheād be a good president.
Do you believe trump and Kamalaās approach to such things would be equal?
Do you think bombs work differently if its a democrat that drops them?
If the amount of them differ: absolutely
And the majority of deaths occurred under Biden, so seemingly the democrats are worse - if we go by your idea of a genocide being able to be āworseā.
If Trump and Kamala are the same for palestinians, then they wouldnāt care if you voted for Kamala just toā¦ you knowā¦ stave off the authoritarian apocalypse Trump is delivering.
The point in not voting for Kamala is to put pressure on the democrats to stave off the authoritarian apocalypse they are delivering. Itās not just stay at home and do nothing, but make your voice heard. Make sure people know what your demands are, organize with others. The dems are holding Trump as a gun to your heads saying āvote for me or else youāll get Trumpā while bombing and killing in your name. And with your vote secured they keep sliding right, trying to appeal to people like the conservatives that arenāt voting for them. So counterbalance that. Become part of the class of people they have to appeal to, make them earn their vote. You only get one, donāt give it up for free.
Great pressure there.
Howās that going for you?
Everyoneās talking about why kamala lost and this keeps coming up, so not that bad actually
You realise youāre doing exactly what conservatives want you to do?
They know itās not possible to win your vote, so instead just convince you not to vote, and / or criticise your own side.
ā¦itās not possible to win your voteā¦
Lets take a look at the requirements to get votes:
- Be against genocide
- Be against the bombing of children
- Make healthcare on par with the rest of the first-world
- Stop supporting Trump
- Stop supporting rapists
- Stop supporting masked thugs, from kidnapping, raping, torturing, stealing, and murdering
- Stop taking money from the workers, and giving it to the rich
None of that seems impossible at all. It actually seems pretty easy to me. But the Democrats would rather help put Trump in power.
I donāt think I can help you. Be well.
People bankrolling genocide arenāt on my side.
Indeed. slow clap
The Democrats arenāt āour sideā.
That seems obvious.
Easy for you to make that bet when youāre never going to bother you listen to anything they say to see if youāre right
Its the easiest bet in history.
You canāt convince me that Palestinians would prefer trump because itās an absurdity.
āPalestinians will say what I want them to say!ā
Nah thatās only on .ml mate.
āI know you are, but what am I!ā
Such witty banter were having.
Tom Morello lives in California, where his vote for president doesnāt matter at all, and is literally doing work to promote voting now. It sounds like heās not going to hold it against anyone if they canāt stomach voting for Democrats with truly abhorrent policies though. It shouldnāt be such a hard bar to pass for them not to push people to that āone last inchā.
heās not going to hold it against anyone if they canāt stomach voting for Democrats with truly abhorrent policies
I sure will.
The time to support the candidate you want is before the primary. In the primary, vote for the least abhorrent option. And then in the general, vote for the least abhorrent option. Thatās the only sane way.
So if someone looks at voting and says they wonāt vote blue in the general election, they support fascism, like it or not. If they didnāt do anything before that point, well, they fucking should have done.
Many people who donāt vote believe (with some pretty good justification, imo) that itās all bread and circuses, that ultimately the U.S. government is going to do what it wants regardless of who gets elected. Iām personally with you that it does make a difference, but I donāt think anyoneās done a good job of making a case to the skeptics that things would have been substantially different if Kamala Harris had won (and pointing out how shockingly awful things under Trump are isnāt enough, especially considering how many moderate Democrats have been happy to go along with that awfulness when push comes to shove). How do you convince people they still have a modicum of power in a system that is so clearly designed to make most of us powerless?
All youāre saying it doesnāt really matter if they do fuck all when elected because theyāll get your vote anyway. Youāre doing absolutely nothing to make them perform better.
If you fucking ignore everything I said, maybe.
You stand for nothing
I really wish this was a bot account.
Demanding that someone living in California āmustā vote blue makes it abundantly clear that this isnāt about winning elections, itās about demanding fealty to The Party
They wouldnāt care at all if the partyās nominee wasnāt from the genocide wing.
Itās about supporting genocide and nothing else. Centrists care about absolutely nothing but murdering Palestinians.
I know the popular vote isnāt that important because the US has a fucked up 2-party system.
But it is a metric that is being used to try to get rid of gerrymandering.
So unless you love gerrymandering, better vote so it is clear who is more popular.
Come on now, that is such an obviously weak post-hoc excuse Iām amazed you could bring yourself to post it without being too embarrassed.
You say that every election, change something with it or shut up.
Youāre telling the mathematics of first-past-the-post elections to āshut upā
Could Kamala have done better? Yes.
Was Donald an abhorrent option that we all could have avoided? Also, yes.
Youāre telling the mathematics of first-past-the-post elections to āshut upā
How many electoral votes did him not voting in California cost Harris? Fuck off, you donāt care about āmathematicsā, youāre just demanding fealty to The party
Youād think more candidates would understand the mathematics of FPTP. But itās probably unfair to expect a bunch of career politicians and lawyers to understand objective math like us geniuses do. Theyāve just got so much important other stuff to deal with.
āNo daylight kidā
She took her orders and she lost for it. Thereās really nothing else to say.
I was always on the fence about morello seeming kind of like another faux left sheep dog but good on him for saying it plainly with such a big platform
So, how did that turn out?
It feels amazing to not have voted for genocide. You?
Thanks for stopping the genocide.
Oh, unfortunately I donāt have that power. It really sucks that Kamala explicitly affirmed that she would continue the genocide.
Of course you do not have the power.
You donāt even live in the US.
If you even have a human body.
Well Kamala definitely has a human body and lives in the US. Shame she used that power to try and continue a genocide.
Tom Morello lives in California. His vote for president doesnāt matter.
Amazing how they overlook this issue. Where I live I"m drowned out by MAGA. My vote literally doesnāt matter but theyāll then say good and demean you for pointing that out. God fuck liberals.
Itās because ultimately itās not actually about winning elections, itās about insisting that leftists bend the knee to the Democrats
Quite well, actually. Kamala or Trump winning would have resulted in the exact same outcome in Gaza. The vast majority of the Gaza deaths were during Bidenās term. Trumpās Gaza policy is ācontinue all of Bidenās policies, but be more performatively cruel about it.ā
So in terms of the actual impact on Gaza, Trump or Kamala winning made no difference at all.
However, what has changed is that support for Zionism has become politically radioactive among the Democratic party. This was only possible because Kamalaās genocide support cost her the presidency. Her loss delegitimized pro-genocide voices among the Democrats, and the party has moved substantially on the issue.
So again, the actual condition on the ground in Gaza hasnāt changed, but Trump and Kamala had identical Gaza platforms - full support for genocide. At least with Kamala losing, there are some hopeful signs of optimism for the future.
The biggest difference is that Harris might have been halfway competent about it
Kamala or Trump winning would have resulted in the exact same outcome in Gaza.
Fucking insane bullshit. Thereās no way youāre actually this stupid so my guess is you have an agenda
Something isnāt āinsane bullshitā just because it goes against your sports team. The cold hard, unavoidable truth is that the vast majority of the deaths and destruction in Gaza occurred on Bidenās watch. Trump just continued Bidenās policies, though admittedly with more performative cruelty.
i find it very amusing that when the two major US parties do the same policy, regardless of which originated it, on the fediverse itās always āthe democrats did this and republicans continued itā.
makes it very easy to know which opinions are worthless, if they canāt even figure out when something started.
Thatās a pretty broad brush for such a narrow observation.
Youāll find most people agree the USA PATRIOT act had the Republicans starting it and the Democrats continuing it. Still shitty policy, though.
So you agree that the Gaza argument doesnāt matter since both of them would bomb Gaza anyway?
Then why did you throw all these Trans and migrants in the US under the bus?
Poor reading comprehension.
Migrants??? Kamala ran on having a harsher immigration policy than Trump. Biden deported more than under Trump 1.
And queer people werenāt exactly safe under Kamala. All she had to say was that we should follow the law. Meanwhile her party was busy persecuting us as well.
Downvoters cant handle the truth that cutting off rheir nose to spite their face has lasting consequences.
No I think Trump has been worse on Gaza than Harris would have been. The cruelty isnāt just performative, it has hurt real people. But between the two of them, Gaza was doomed by the bipartisan consensus no matter what.
I agree that Trump has made pro-Israel stances absolutely toxic on the left. I donāt think that would have happened with Harris in office. But the cost has been incredibly high.
I really see no evidence that Kamala would have been any better. This seems to be a vibes-based argument. Trump has more evil vibes than Kamala, so therefore he has to be materially worse for Gaza. In practice, both sides give a blank check to the Israelis. Kamala would have given a blank check to Netanyahu while giving speeches calling for peace and reconciliation. Trump gave the same blank check while calling Palestinians subhuman animals. The actual material reality is the same. Trumpās just cruder and crueler about it.
Eh youāre right. I was going on vibes there, I concede.
I really see no evidence that Kamala would have been any better.
Her constituency was EXTREMELY against Israelās actions to the point of HER LOSING BECAUSE OF IT. That would have made a difference. That same constituency forced a sitting president to give up his run for a 2nd term mere months before an election. Dems have to consider their constituencyās stance on topics more than Republicans do.
And now we have a president (and House and Senate) whose constituency doesnāt give a flying fuck about Palestinians.
Never, ever forget that the reason Biden got cancelled was because of a bad tv performance and not the genocide. I distinctly remember all the blueanon folk screaming about holding ones nose and voting for biden until he looked bad on TV, then the dems told them who to blindly support next and when that (very predictably) failed the people that get blamed for the loss are ā¦ the voters that just couldnāt swallow what the dems shat out. Itās time to hold the politicians accountable and not the masses that are doing exactly what the system is supposedly for, affirming or not affirming someone for public office.
Democrats lost the presidency on purpose. Kamala never intended to win, she copied and pasted the Bidenās policy website 1 day before the presidential debate. The purpose of the Kamala campaign was to obstruct any anti-genocide candidate from running. Biden pretended to be able to run to block any Democratic Primary from happening and then Democrats ran Kamala to lose on purpose.
Kamala ran campaign ads that said she would be stricter on the border than Trump would be. Who is saying that Trump isnāt harsh enough on immigrants? Nobody. Republicans donāt believe that and Democrats donāt want that.
Kamala lost every single swing state. The DNC blocked trans people from speaking at the DNC. Tim Walz said that a top priority of his vice presidency would be the expansion of Israelās territory. Kamala campaigned with Liz Cheney and leaked documents showed that they knew that doing this would hurt Kamalaās polling chances. Kamala sent Bill Clinton to the Dearborn Michigan to tell the Muslim voters that the West Bank and Gaza belong to Israel.
Zionist Democrats are happy that Trump won because heās doing everything that they want to do and he takes the blame when it upsets the majority of the public. Last year, Chuck Schumer was posting tiktoks begging Trump to start the war with Iran.
How did it turn out? The Zionists in both parties love that Trump won because Zionist Republicans and Zionist Democrats are on the same team, Team Genocidal Settlers.
Iāve been voting for 18 years, since I could vote, been into politics for longer. All I can say is bring up the definition of insanity is what itās like. You think youāre voting for change.
Yeah I voted for Obama, great he did everything I voted for not to be done. Bombed the shit out of a bunch of countries. Passed a half-ass insurance market that was a only a bit better then getting spit roasted, really just caved in to the insurance companies instead of a UHC/NHS. Didnāt legalize cannabis and not even change the scheduling for it. After eight years, it didnāt seem like much happened. Obama is a very charismatic politician and I voted for him, honestly looking back I kinda think McCain would have been more reasonable since I met him in person and well protested his speech, Iām surprise the security didnāt haul me away. And I write this because Obama did signed off on one of the most atrocious things, and expansion of the Patriot Act. If you thing this whole icy thing is new, no it started with Bush Jr and expanded by Obama.
Biden is the reason why you canāt discharge student loans through bankruptcy. So SLABs became a thing, people investing on your school debt.
Kamala was a perfect example of the shit show the political system is. Last minute changes. A figure that has negative Charisma points. I mean people bring up the whole laughing thing. I get it. Weāre all fucked because from covid and you having the time of your life and haha Iām going to be the first female President, didnāt exactly set a good image. Realistically the DNC should have just asked AOC to run and I hope she does in the future. At least it wouldnāt look like a Manchurian candidate.
I didnāt vote for Rump but it didnāt feel like I voted for anything and wasted a day.
Tom Morello is correct.
Iām sure all those dead Iranian schoolchildren appreciate it.
Kamala was talking about building the āmost lethal army in the worldā and the biden administration was prepping for this war
edit: thereās something really disgusting about using dead schooldchildren as a zingerā¦
thereās something really disgusting about using dead schooldchildren as a zinger
Itās a team sports cult. It doesnāt matter who they sacrifice.
Its really horrifying watching liberals recalibrate who they consider human in real time based on which administration is murdering them.
Yes Kamala said she wanted to bomb them too they would have loved to be killed by a woman
š® remarkably insightful comment coming from .world
Did she really say she wanted to bomb Iran specifically?
I think bombing a school was a case of DT pushing for war and military incompetence: I.e. lazy AI bombing plans caused that blunder.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/8/kamala-harris-says-iran-is-greatest-adversary-of-us
October 2024:
In an interview with the CBS television network aired on Monday night, the Democratic presidential candidate said Iran is the āobviousā answer when asked about the country she considers to be the USās āgreatest adversaryā.
āIran has American blood on their hands ā this attack on Israel, 200 ballistic missiles,ā she said. āWhat we need to do [is] to ensure that Iran never achieves the ability to be a nuclear power. That is one of my highest priorities.ā
Meanwhile, the Biden administration continued to enforce Trump-era sanctions against Iran and added dozens of its own against Iranian companies and officials.
Harris āunequivocallyā denounced the Iranian missile launches. āI am clear-eyed: Iran is a destabilising, dangerous force in the Middle East, and todayās attack on Israel only further demonstrates that fact,ā she said on October 1.
The vice president has repeatedly pledged to continue to arm Israel, citing in part what she calls the threat of Iran, despite growing anger over well-documented Israeli abuses in Gaza and Lebanon.
I donāt know if she said it explicitly, but the biden administration was making plans for a similar war around the same time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuhJS1d-F6Y&t=169s
And sheās a repeat of junk we already used. Thereās plenty of other people and last names that have yet to be president.
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at least them openly being lib nazi cunts on this thread lets us see and track them
Letās just focus on not letting fascist insurrectionists who give even less of a fuck about Gaza win again this time, shall we?
Fuck you, I wonāt do what you tell me!
I was the scheduling secretary for United States Senator Alan Cranston.
Oh well thatād do it.
On November 20, 1991, Cranston was reprimanded by theĀ U.S. Senate Select Committee on EthicsĀ for āimproper conductā afterĀ Lincoln SavingsĀ headĀ Charles Keatingās companies contributed $850,000 to voter registration groups closely affiliated with Cranston. Keating had wanted federal regulators to stop āhoundingā hisĀ savings and loanĀ association. Although the committee found that āno evidence was presented to the Committee that Senator Cranston ever agreed to help Mr. Keating in return for a contributionā, the committee deemed Cranstonās misconduct the worst among theĀ Keating Five.
voting for a candidate thatās responsible for what happened in Gaza,
How THE FUCK does he think Harris is responsible for what happened in Gaza?!
She was vice-president at the time
TIL Kamala Harris was VP in 1991.
Anyone with a scintilla of knowledge of the history of the region would never say something as stupid as āKamala is responsible for what is happening in Gazaā.
Read a fucking book.
The famously powerful office of VP
She literally said she wouldnt have done anything different. She spent her days lying about pushing for peace, while in fact doing no such thing.
She also used the word ājourneyā.
Yeah. Think about it.
The VP has a ton of bully-pulpit power. She could have gone on stage and said āGenocide is bad, we shouldnāt fund itā, (among many other things). The voters would have loved that, but she cared more about punching left, and continuing a genocide, than keeping Trump out of office.
The VP has aĀ tonĀ of bully-pulpit power.
Hahahahaha
The second highest office in the country bankrolling the genocide is a position of tremendous power. Maybe read up on what the VP of actually does? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States
ITT: A lot of propaganda for all sides, everything pro-USA, obviously.
What exactly is the point of this comment?
I have my opinions on it but this close the midterms is not the time to be playing the blame game.
Why? Do you think everybody else has to play nice and pretend the candidate is good if you do?
Because now is the wrong time to build up a sense of apathy. There isnāt anyone else to currently vote for right now, as much as I hate to say it. Go in my history and search up Kamala, believe me, I am not a fan of the current āleftā party.
Actually, there is. Which is why the Democrats spend more time fighting them, then they spend on fighting the Republicans.
Now is always the right time. The democrats themselves hold no such qualms as you do, when it comes to crushing anyone deemed remotely too leftist
I get you but thatās the equivalent of complaining about the faulty smoke detector that didnāt go off instead of putting out the fire. They deserve to hang but we donāt deserve another 2 years of Maga bullshit.
Stop doing this bullshit of down playing the democrats, theyāre not some uwu smol bean in relation to republicans, theyāre practically the same. Theyāre godawful. They do the same shit
Bro, the choice is the fire or the pan, and you are explicitly told that if you donāt choose, you get the fire.
They are similar and the same on way too many things things (Gaza, oligarchy, etc) but you are acting like a child. And I say this through gritted teeth, just like I voted through gritted teeth because Iām not a fucking moron.
Keep living in a fairytale. You have no cards to play except the ones you are dealt. Deal with it or pull a Luigi, but you arenāt helping anyone with the constant extremes and basically pessimistic no way out attitude while sitting at home ego jerking. Instead of trying to pull this country into an even deeper hole, pull out a dictionary and look up what pragmatism means. It blows that the only valid choice is godawful, legit story of my life. Cry harder about it and watch how much worse things can get if that buffoon keeps his circus going.
This close to the election, people like you are Trumps biggest friend. Look at you mascotting for that fucking disgusting piece of filth. Well done, you won your medal.
If you arenāt telling people to go vote, then stfu and donāt comment until itās over. jfc
Sister, the choice is fire or fire. You keep making the democrats out to be better than they are.
The only one who ought to shut up is you when you say silly shit like thisYou have no cards to play except the ones you are dealt.
In relation to voting for democrats. There is so much more one can do. And not voting for genociders is a pretty good start. Actually making demands of Democrats is the very very least one can do, and one does not make demands when they vote blue no matter who.
And this is such a far deroute from the original question which was: Do you think everyone else has to play nice, just because you do?
This idea that pointing out the flaws of a candidate or a party is somehow something one cant do at a given time becauseā¦ Then people will hear it? People will hear it either way, if you shut your mouth, then theres nothing to be done until its too late - If you buy into this whole spiel of you owing Democrats something, that is.
As I wrote - and you skipped over - in reality the ānow is not the timeā line is not something Democrats themselves believe. They frequently fuck over left-wing candidates and movements, no matter what time it is. So since the people saying ānow is not the timeā dont believe it, why should I trust that it has any validity?ā¦pull out a dictionary and look up what pragmatism means.
Weird. I donāt see it mention anything about bombing kids, supporting rapists, defending genoicdists, torturing innocent people, or mass deportations.
But the fact that you find those āpragmaticā is more telling than a dictionary will ever be.
The smoke detector? More like the person holding the matches and a can of gasoline.
I feel like this is similar to the mistake we made in 2024. Voters are not going to hold their noses; itās more important to be vocal about how exactly democrats can win. Call your candidate and inform them!
Fair but tbh, I donāt think any of the old guard that didnāt get primaried are actually listening. Half that party spits on their voters.
