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For any CDN idiots trying to visit the US from Canada in November: they are trying to drum up “evidence” you are voting there.
ie. Trumped up charges.
So who could the Republicans get to illegally vote for them? Russian agents? Maybe they bus around bunch die hards to go place to place attending rallies and voting in every location they can.
Russian agents are not supporting the Republican party. Stop pretending there is some conspiracy to make America like this. They did it themselves. Trump is like the most American American to ever American.
It’s already been proven that Russians interfered in the 2024 election through disinformation campaigns aimed at discrediting Joe Biden and Kamala Harris / boosting Trumps candidacy. I don’t even know how people like you are convinced otherwise at this point.
Even if Russia did meddle, it is/would be because it’s incredibly easy to fuck with US politics.
That is true.
So much winning.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
What’s interesting about them, and by interesting, I mean batshit stupid, is that they’ll be happy to take the credit in discussions about how non-voting sends a message to the establishment parties, but they become instant victims the moment the conversation becomes about how they helped trump to the throne.
And here’s where it gets funny:
All the credit; none of the blame. Who does that remind you of?
Nailed the vibe so perfectly.
I wish I could up-vote you about 1000x. 😮💨👌
It’s no end of insanity to see this shit every day. And the fact that they think no one notices this is just embarrassing for them.
Yup.
Not voting is condoning whatever happens, good or bad. If you stayed home, you rubberstamped all of what’s happening.
This is what you’re achieving by braindead infighting.
They spent decades and trillions of dollars on making sure Americans can’t unite. Looks like the investment paid off.
It’s not infighting, neo-liberals are conservatives, they’re not the left as they’re portrayed to be in news and media. The gulf of ideology between a leftist and neo-liberal is huge.
While I agree with the sentiment, protest non-voting is already tantamount to infighting. This comment is just pointing fingers to set blame on another, which is stupid. But at the same time, calling for protest non-voters to unify with the rest of us should be the goal. That is the opposite of infighting. That’s not exactly what OP was doing, but that is the remedy.
Me: vote.
You: stop telling people to vote! (Or whatever that was.)
Unreal.
Welcome to Lemmy, this place is a fuckin trip. Wait till you hear the LLml bots tell you that North Korea is actually a good actually for really real socialist state. You’d think it’s a circus what with it being filled to the fuckin brim with clowns.
communism by definition can’t exist until the entire world’s working class unites against (or to produce an alternative to the system of) the banks and nations. I believe that their definition of socialist is anything (they perceive to be) headed in that direction. Sorry if that doesn’t help
Me: stop infighting.
You: absolutely not. I hate people who slightly disagree with me more than the elites. (Or whatever that was.)
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I don’t unite with dipshits that shame their democracy and the people that died for it by not voting. They are stupid and I don’t associate with stupid people.
Nuh uh! They are moral angels, you monster!! /s
The most moral Voters™️ in the world, they wouldn’t hurt a fly!
Unless it was on the ballot, of course.
I’ve heard that the Purity Ponies are much like Kim Jong-un - they are so perfect, they don’t even need to relieve themselves!
Such magical beings. We could all aspire to be like them.
I eat my poop
America isn’t this way because of Trump. Trump is this way because of America.
Trump isn’t the hero America needs, but he’s the one America deserves. It’s just a shame the rest of the world has to suffer because of American ignorance, entitlement and apathy.
Then why are the grand majority disapproving of him? His latest polls show 31-33% approval.
You people know nothing of what’s going on here. You just espouse subjective rhetoric that Trump himself and the GOP loves to read.
What could be better than natural allies across borders unifying? Division is Trump’s goal, and we can all see that clear as day. You’re an accomplice to these evil people if your here to create the same results, perhaps even a “useful idiot”.
Rethink your actions and words, lest you be exactly what I suspect you to be: a blatent propagandist targeting the western world.
tautologicallly, non-voters did not vote.
You get it was phrased that way specifically for the adjustment factor, right?
by abstaining they lowered the total number of votes by one, effectively helping the winner of the vote
so you understand that they didn’t vote
Depends on your definition of “vote”. In the literal sense, they didn’t.
Not casting a vote is a vote.
explicitly, it is not.
Instead of blaming a failed campaign that failed to attract voters, let’s blame those who are or feel disenfranchised their vote means nothing. Nevermind it’s often POC who are stuck either working subsistence jobs who cannot afford to then take off what amounts to a day to then stand in line and vote.
Except, they did vote for this.
by definition, they did not vote
Except, they did vote for this. Kthx.
no means yes huh
they didn’t vote
You are being deliberately obtuse and intellectually disingenuous here.
I’m stating plain facts.
Optimist of you to think votes had anything to do with putting trump back in the white house and giving congress away to the conservatives.
If voting didn’t work the republicans wouldn’t be trying so hard to take it from you.
Uh yeah that’s how Trump got into the White House and those conservatives got into Congress.
That’s like, the whole point.
You might want to check that election data again because Trump would have won with or without Harris receiving those “protest votes.” If you want to blame someone for this mess, blame the party leaders who put their thumb on the scale to foist the absolute worst possible candidates on us three presidential elections in a row. This is the result of those party leaders trying to straddle the line of serving the same corporate donors that Republicans do while pretending to stand for "the people "
I blame the fact that they stole that election and bragged about it openly while people pretend that didn’t happen.
Trump would have won with or without Harris receiving those “protest votes.”
This, in no way, makes me hate non-voters any less. A drunk driver that happens to make it home without slaughtering someone is still a fucking drunk driving piece of shit.
This also goes for people that voted for 3rd party candidates with ZERO path to victory.
To me, you don’t sound any different than a Republican sycophant who puts party over everything and still supports Trump. You’re literally blaming everyone except for the people running the party who picked the losing candidate, the losing candidate, and the people running her losing campaign. In your eyes, only the party is right and everyone else is wrong. This was nearly the third time in a row they tried this losing strategy and lost, but go on and keep telling us how right they are/were.
Harris also had zero path to victory, and yet here you are acting self-righteous like your choice was the correct one even though it gave Trump the win. To use your own analogy, you are the drunk driver who totaled your car in 2016 and 2024, but narrowly made it home once in 2020 so you want to convince us that you’re “good to drive.”
Aside from Kamala, the others had primaries. Primaries historically have 10% voter turnout. Blame the people that don’t vote in primaries then bitch about bad candidates.
It is that easy! It’s not like progressives and leftists are sandbagged by the “vote blue no matter who” Dems right?
https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-skewered-republicans-funding-these-maga-losers-1758128
It’s not like the Dems sabatoged Bernie, twice, right? Vote in the primaries, it’s that easy
They wouldn’t sabotage PROGRESSIVES to help REPUBLICANS AND CENTRISTS if you voted in the primaries “The DCCC released opposition research against progressive candidate Laura Moser in Texas and pressured progressive challengers out of races in Colorado, Pennsylvania, and California to support centrist or well-funded establishment candidates.” https://inthesetimes.com/features/dccc_left_progressive_challengers_laura_moser_campaign_finance.html
“In Nebraska’s 2nd District, the DCCC lent a hand to Brad Ashford—a former Republican who favors abortion restrictions—at the expense of his more progressive primary challenger Kara Eastman, who supports reproductive rights, Medicare for All and other progressive policies. Over in Virginia’s 2nd, the DCCC swung in early behind businesswoman Elaine Luria, a military veteran who twice voted for her Republican opponent, over Karen Mallard, a union member who supports a $15 minimum wage and universal healthcare.”
Same source as above and there way more.
So it seems pretty simple, Dems can tell anyone they want to fuck off (except fellow centrists and Republicans), while the rest of us are automatically MAGA if we don’t support “blue no matter who” despite constant opposition and disdain from a party that hates us because they are RIGHT WING
Yeah these people are just blind party loyalists who would gladly watch the world burn just so long as they feel like they got a ‘win’ out of it. That’s why they’re willing to nonsensically blame everyone except those controlling the levers for how the levers are being controlled.
It’s not like the Dems sabatoged Bernie, twice, right?
Bernie lost the popular vote in the primaries both times. Voters didn’t show up for him.
Because “you protest voters refused to vote for him and handed the election to Trump” right? Or does that only apply when you need to absolve the people running the party from responsibility for their actions?
Wrong and conveniently ignored everything else.
20,000 emails from seven senior DNC officials, including Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz disagrees with you. The correspondence revealed that party leadership privately favored Hillary Clinton and discussed strategies to undermine Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign, such as questioning his religious faith and dismissing his campaign manager Jeff Weaver as a “liar.”
They admitted it was sabotage and formally apologized. The disclaimer that the emails didn’t “reflect the views of the DNC” is hard to swallow since it was 20,000 emails from leadership.
the Obama White House and Senate leadership, coordinated to suppress Sanders to prevent him from facing Donald Trump. Allegations include limiting debate appearances, media blackouts, and the strategic withdrawal of rival candidates to consolidate votes behind Joe Biden in 2020. Elizabeth Warren and former DNC Chair Donna Brazile have acknowledged the 2016 primary was “rigged” against Sanders.
https://time.com/4362402/how-president-obama-will-pressure-bernie-sanders/
Examples of the DNC / party establishment opposing progressive candidates in elections:
The DCCC blacklisted any consultant who worked with progressive candidates. Marie Newman lost four consultants within a month.
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DSCC / Senate Majority PAC 2020 Primaries Spent $15M+ to help moderate candidates defeat progressive primary challengers.
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Nina Turner vs. Shontel Brown (OH-11, 2020) Biden and Clyburn intervened to back corporate-friendly Brown over progressive Turner, with help from a pro-Israel super PAC.
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Jessica Cisneros vs. Henry Cuellar (TX-28, 2022) Pelosi, Clyburn, and other House leaders backed Cuellar (under FBI investigation) over progressive challenger Cisneros. AOC called it “an utter failure of leadership.”
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DCCC Endorses Bains over Villegas (CA-22, 2026) DCCC endorsed centrist Bains over progressive Villegas. The Congressional Progressive Caucus PAC called it “undemocratic.”
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Michigan Senate Primary (2026) Establishment-backed Haley Stevens vs. progressive Abdul El-Sayed drew $58.6M in super PAC spending, mostly against El-Sayed. AOC personally transferred $1M to help. Pressley called the DSCC’s spending “shameful.”
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Colorado Primary (2026) National Democrats injected $2.4M via super PACs against progressive challenger Kiros to protect incumbent DeGette.
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DCCC Spending Disparity (2018) DCCC spent $340K on progressive Rob Quist (MT) vs. millions for centrist John Ossoff (GA). A DCCC-commissioned report discouraged members from campaigning on Medicare for All.
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Team Blue PAC (2022) Hakeem Jeffries co-founded an explicitly anti-progressive PAC to protect establishment incumbents.
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They will never understand this simple fact. There either weren’t enough Bernie supporters in the first place or far too many stayed home for the primary. And very nearly every Bernie voter in the primary went for Hillary in the general. There wasn’t a conspiracy, progressives just don’t vote. If they did, we’d have a progressive democratic party.
Delegate voters are who matter, and the “super delegates.” Not popular vote and of course you’re ignoring the fact they hamstrung his campaign otherwise it doesn’t fit your narrative.
Except he still lost the popular vote too, overwhelmingly, because progressives don’t vote in primaries. With no DNC shenanigans he still loses handily, BECAUSE PROGRESSIVES DON’T FUCKING VOTE IN PRIMARIES.
Much like in the general election for President, POPULAR VOTES DON’T MATTER WITH THE DNC. It comes down to getting either a winning amount of the delegates or the “super delegates.”
And let’s try addressing the elephant in the room now, why would the DNC go to such means to ensure Bernie Sanders doesn’t win the nomination?
Pretty big “aside from” there…
1 out of the mentioned 3. Meaning the other person is 66% liar.
Who’s blaming. I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
Well I’m sorry to inform you that Harris voters are the ones who voted for this. If they hadn’t thrown their votes away in protest by voting for a losing candidate, Trump wouldn’t be in office right now.
See how useful your argument (or “information”) is?
Except, this (see article) is what protest-non-voters voted for.
Yeah, that is the functional equivalence of the voot argument.
I’d like to inform you that it comes across as root cause analysis i.e. “blame”. Not sure if you were going for that, but some people feel that when root cause analysis is applied to them, they are “to blame”. Tone can be difficult to communicate in writing. Confronting “root causes” with egos can be even more difficult.
the federal government sent election officials in Los Angeles County an unverified list of 20,000 people it claims are “likely noncitizens” registered to vote in California. […] federal agents used the list to make the more than two dozen targeted arrests on the basis of its voter fraud allegations. […] The 11 arrestees are among 28 people the department officially charged—and all are from its list of 20,000 targets in the election. The press release claims that every person targeted is a legal permanent resident of the US but not a citizen.
No words.
“Every illegal vote cancels out the vote of a lawful American citizen,”
So it’s the Great Replacement Theory applied to voting.
There’s no evidence of non citizens ever voting, because they can’t.
We’ve seen this same story play out in Nevada.
They claim huge numbers, but when it’s time to provide the evidence, they come up empty handed. That’s why we are seeing the show of force with cameras and the media blitz. To create the perception of voter fraud to hide the fact that actual voter fraud is rare.
We know their numbers are bullshit too via Propublica:
HSI’s involvement in the hunt for election fraud traces at least to summer 2025, when agency supervisors embraced a proposal from a midlevel agent who’d publicly echoed Trump’s claims about elections. He argued the agency’s powerful databases and tools could find noncitizens even on the voter lists that states make publicly available, from which the most confidential information has been redacted. Under Trump, the Justice Department had collected many public voter rolls as part of a controversial effort to compel states to turn over the unredacted versions.
Those searches went forward, ProPublica’s reporting shows, helping to generate tens of thousands of leads regarding illegal voting across the country. But when HSI agents were sent to investigate them, the results were similar to what Teirab reported from Minnesota.
Between January 2025 and May 2026, a ProPublica analysis of Justice Department data shows, fewer than 150 alleged noncitizen voters were referred for prosecution. Even fewer — 41 — were charged with voting illegally or other election-related crimes. (More than 150 million people voted in the most recent presidential election.)
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There’s an array of reasons why Trump’s campaign to document claims of widespread voter fraud hasn’t succeeded. Most obviously, it’s exceedingly rare, as countless studies and state audits have found. Noncitizens often get on voter rolls by accident or when government officials make errors. Last month, New Jersey disclosed that a mistake involving its Motor Vehicle Commission caused 6,600 noncitizens to be registered (fewer than 400 voted).
wait dint nevada go to trump? and its mainly a red state.
Nevada is weird. Dem and Rep are about the same. Independents
out number bothare a plurality (ninja edit). Dems dominate Senate and House seats. The governor is a Rep. The state voted Trump, Biden, Clinton, Obama, Obama, Bush, Bush.Party Total voters Percentage Democratic 569,337 27.61% Republican 568,665 27.58% Independent American 82,903 4.02% Libertarian 13,620 0.66% Other parties 30,806 1.49% Nonpartisan 796,805 38.64% Total 2,062,136 100.00%
“Every illegal vote cancels out the vote of a lawful American citizen,”
Not if they both vote for the same person
The obvious implication is that only MAGAs are “lawful American citizens.”
Remember, the Trump regime has already declared all anti-fascists to be enemies of the state.
if it cancels out, then nobody actually voted.
No harm, no foul!
as if CA is going to vote for trump lol. its just sound bites for faux news, to scare the magats, how shithole blue areas are. alot of travel influencers(conservatives) solely go to blue areas to do the same, and only visit extremely proverty stricken areas.
But but but 28 votes were saved! Surely democracy is safe now
On Monday, federal authorities announced the arrest in California of at least 11 people, and charges against 28, alleging they registered to vote as noncitizens.
Whoa! 28 people! That’s essentially zero, statistically speaking, which is exactly what knowledgeable people have been saying for years: that voter fraud is basically non-existent, and that it’s not at all worth spending millions of dollars to combat.
Didn’t they also demand California to not count another 20 000 ballots unless they are all investigated (a practical impossibility in the short time) so it’s a bit more being demanded?
to distract from actual voter fraud the GOP is actually doing. voter suppression, ballot purging, closing count immediately as a gop is in the lead.
And keep in mind that they’ve done nothing to actually verify that A) the people they’ve arrested are not citizens and B) that if they are not, that they actually registered to vote. In their own words, the list is of “likely non-citizens.” So basically, they have a list of people who are permanent residents. If you, a citizen, happen to have the same name as someone on that list, and you’re registered to vote, you are at risk of being arrested. Or, vice versa, if a person on that list has the same name as someone registered to vote, they might get arrested even though they did nothing wrong.
its the time of the year again, create sound bites for faux news to consme, that dems are rigging elections
It affects a handful of people directly but it’s intended to intimidate many more.
These are charges, not convictions.
And given the trump admins current track record of voter fraud cases I expect all 28 cases to go nowhere.
do they really believe people will vote for them because they are arresting people who weren’t going to vote for them
Unfortunately Trump’s base is very cruel, and yes they do enjoy seeing this.
They will scream one minute about abortion, then scream the next about how all the children in Palestine deserve to die.
This is not hyperbole. This is the real politics over here right now, and it’s fucking insane.
Yes. And it keeps working.
They don’t need any more people to vote for them, they just need more people to not vote against them.
It works for Putin.
putin has his goons standing in the poll stations and directing people to vote for putin.
Don’t let Donnie hear that.
No they believe that if they stop everyone who will vote against them from voting, that the handful of die hard supporters will carry the rest. They aren’t trying to motivate the base, they are trying to either arrest or intimidate the opposition.
