It’s lemmygrad, we’re the spectre. I’d bet at least half of the other instances out there block us, there’s only like 300 dedicated users on this instance, and they still can’t stop complaining about lemmygrad/tankies

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    Really shows that liberalism is just a cult at this point. These people see any views outside their own bubble as heretical and become emotionally distraught when their own views are questioned. They’re not able to carry a rational discussion or even make an argument. When they engage with others they just follow a call centre style script where they regurgitate the tropes they memorized. The only tactic these trolls use is to brigade and silence views contrary to their own.

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      They would disagree because “lots of people are liberals.” Which is, ironically, a common defense a lot of cults use to justify why they aren’t a cult.

      The “Call centre” script is pretty fascinating though, reminds me a lot of creationists. You can show them evidence of transitional fossils, biology experiments demonstrating evolution in a lab, it doesn’t matter. They’ll ask for specific evidence, then when presented with it, find some excuse to ignore it, like tone policing or attacking a source for being “illegitimate” or “biased” without even reading it. And when they can’t do that, they’ll just ignore the responses and only interact with the people hurling insults because they can dismiss that much more easily than a reasonable argument.

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        They’ll ask for specific evidence, then when presented with it, find some excuse to ignore it, like tone policing or attacking a source for being “illegitimate” or “biased” without even reading it.

        I’ve been playing with dropping non-sequitor ridiculous links as “sources” in sincere comments, and I have pretty solid proof that liberals arguing on the internet almost universally do not click the links for sources.

        I’ve done it quite a bit, and the only people who acknowledge or comment on it are comrades from here.

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          Oof, if I had a dollar each time I’ve linked something only for the lib to say “I’m not reading/watching that.”, I would be wealthy enough to be a member of the bourgeoisie.

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              Can you really blame them though? Liberal media is just verbal diarrhea in written form. I don’t remember the exact point in time where I started reading leftist news, but I’m sure there was a Jacobin article or something in there that I read and actually felt like I got something out of it.

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      That’s an interesting idea. I’ve said something similar irl, that there’s a bourgeois script.

      There’s no point arguing with someone who goes into it by default. Especially family members. Not everyone uses it, but for those who do, the only end point is an exchange of insults.

      Good examples are reactionary TV ‘news’ presenters. They aren’t interested in the argument or evidence, only providing their audience with another example to confirm their pre-existing worldview. There’s always another quip, another reason why they don’t have to consider a new idea. It’s infuriating. But when you can recognise it, you’ll save yourself a lot of intellectual hardship and emotional pain.

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        Yeah that’s exactly what I realized as well. When you see that people are just regurgitating talking points they memorized, you know there’s no meaningful conversation possible and it’s best to just move on.

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      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Most people approach politics like a religion. Especially liberals have dogmas and anathemas and they can’t explain to you why they hold them as such. They assume these things simply ARE.

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        They have the ideology of having no ideology, which is itself an ideology. Liberals are a walking ball of contradiction; why do you think they transform into fascists so easily.

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    Its crazy to see all the complaining about tankies, but I hardly see any complaining about exploding heads. Some people supporting Russia over the US is a big deal, but actual fascists passing laws in the US is barely a passing thought. Hating a foreign government more than home grown fascists is an american past time at this point. Shows where the “centrists” and “free speech advocates” sympathies lie.

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      Tbf exploding heads is defederated even more extensively than we are, and are much smaller instance than us, a lot of them probably aren’t even aware of exploding heads

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          That’s their secret, cap. They(Amerikan/westernized liberals) hate the working class too; you ever heard how a liberal talks about “flyover country”, “the sticks”, and “the cousinfucker states”?

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            Most western liberals are primarily focused on social issues because of the media narrative centering those issues as the dividing line. The American two party duopoly does not want people thinking about actual economic policies to help the working class, it would make the masses realize they are much more alike than either sides ruling class

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        This is making a lot more sense now. I thought this emoji 🤯 was a dog whistle for something and felt too daft to ask.

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    Lemmygrad: 😴

    Lemmy: “tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie tankie”

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    I had an irl conversation the other day which hammered this point home. Westoids cannot psychologically handle being called out on being wrong, not knowing something, and on being prejudiced. That and all the other material reasons we know and discuss regularly mean that this instance, no matter how small, is a thorn in their eye, a spectre haunting their dreams.

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      Especially the prejudice, it’s always that we need to save Chinese people from their government, it’s always some extension of the white man’s burden couched in softer language

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      It really is treated as a “sin” to be ignorant of something in the west. Personally, I love not knowing something, because it means I get to learn something, but again, education in the west is treated as “that thing that happens when you’re 6-18 and no other time.” and refuse to ever try to educate themselves as adults.

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        Yea. I’ve learned to not believe everything I hear anymore. It takes time to look into whether something is true for me nowadays.

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      They know that when the fade passes away, we will still be here, strong. :)

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    Well I’m reading this on .world so it is not blocked there. I think these days people like to put others in boxes to make it easier to have us vs them.

    Personally I only block spammers and abusive accounts. I consider myself socialist too if that matters.

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      Yes, we aren’t blocked by 2 of the biggest instances. I didn’t mean “half the users”, but every time I see a new instance in a username I go check their blocklist and it seems like ~1/2 the time lemmygrad is blocked. You would be welcome to post here even if you weren’t a socialist, you just can’t post capitalism apologia

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      There are quite a few socialists over at .world. And some others who aren’t socialists but willing to talk in good faith. It’s nice to see you and them over here.

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    I love how the Spector seems to imply an evil in the heads of most Normans. I see it in my friends group and I will admit I had heard the line in the past and thought the same. Then I decided to actually read instead of parrot and realized it’s a Spector in the same literary sense as the Spectors from A Christmas Carol that haunt Ebenezer Scrooge.

    The Spector of Communism exposes the world to the material realities of it’s past and present, which lay the stones that lead to the grim shadows of a future yet to come. Shadows, dear reader, that we might change by leading an altered life.

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        In his personal life, Marx was extremely poor at his own finances… He apparently would go on pub crawls where he had one beer at each bar on his street (there were twenty three bars), and would chain smoke and eat poorly.

        Literally me fr fr

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      I still prefer the idea of it being a frightful hobgoblin.

      A mischievous little elf who steals power from the capitalists and places it in the hands of the proletariat. The frightful part only applies to capitalists though, because they slowly realize they are losing their grip. Once the hobgoblin was worked it’s mischief, the power that the bourgeoisie once possessed cannot be regained because the workers of the world realize that they actually had the power all along and that frightful hobgoblin merely lifted the veil that had deceived them into thinking otherwise.

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    This is why I made my own instance, when the large instances defederate from one another they are effectively censoring and controlling what you see. In most cases, that means banning any sort of marxist discussion.

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      There’s some mechanics that need to be sorted out with federation. But I say this while not offering any help to Lemmy, so I’m just ranting and not criticising where the project is right now. They only have so many devs working on it and the founders are doing overtime to bring new features in.

      I’m banned from lemmy world apparently which means that lemmy world users who interact on lemmygrad or any other instance will not see my comments, as they won’t be federated (copied over to lemmy world’s database essentially). I can see some problems with that because while I get the principle, it effectively allows instance administrators to determine who can read whom. If you make a friend on another instance too and they get banned or their instance defederated, you’ll lose all contact with them.

      Perhaps even worse is that lemmy.world users who come to lemmygrad won’t be able to read my comments, which is just weird because this is my instance. I effectively cannot interact with them even on my home instance! Being an admin too makes it more complicated, like if I posted a pinned message to welcome users from X instance and I’m banned on that instance, they effectively wouldn’t see it. You also don’t get a notif when you’re banned or unbanned, so you would never know.

      But I’m sure these will be improved in due time.

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        I think a good way to mitigate this for the moment, and temporarily, would be to have a dedicated admin account only for that purpose and your normal user account for anythiny else. This should help fight the problems you have in the short term.

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          it’s too late unfortunately as I’ve already been banned from lemmy world. Dk if it’s a temp ban or what though and I don’t care enough to trudge through the mod log lol

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      And all their users don’t realise that the reason those censoring instances look more like Reddit is because Reddit had a campaign to censor all radical speech. It’s not rare because radical speech isn’t popular, it’s rare because it’s hidden and crushed.

      Would you talk me briefly through setting up your own instance? Do you just run it when you want to go online or do you need to stay connected with a 24/7 self-hosted server? Don’t answer these questions if it means sharing details that would compromise your security.

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        campaign to censor all radical speech.

        Yeah, reminds me of posting in r/socialism101. Got a bunch of responses in from communists but my being able to see them and associated notifications were very delayed, indicating Reddit gave some kind of hidden shadow ban on their posts and the mods were manually approving them.

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        Late ass reply, sorry! I just now have finished tweaking my config to my liking.

        I purchased a VPS and a domain name - I run it 24/7 on that server. The VPS is about $10 a month. If Lemmy optimized its db queries a little bit I bet I could get away with hosting it on a $5 a month server, though.

        On that server, I’m running the Lemmy Docker container. There are some docs here: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/administration/install_docker.html The docs are a little light on the env variable configuration though… there were some settings I had to hunt to find.

        I am using Caddy as a reverse proxy: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/administration/caddy.html

        Caddy takes care of https automagically with Let’s Encrypt.

        All in all, it is a pretty simple setup. I don’t know the security profile of Lemmy so I don’t host anything worthwhile on this server in case it gets compromised, just Lemmy.

        if you ever take a stab at it, I’d be happy to help answer questions. I am not sure if there is a dedicated community somewhere in the Fediverse for Lemmy selfhosting discussion.