i still suspect those conflicts are related. i can 100% picture some FSB guy helping hamas attack or bribing Bibi to create a humanitarian crisis, so western attention, funding and weapons gets drawn away from Ukraine. This is some shit they would pull in desperation.
It only makes sense. Russia financing start of another conflict that takes attention away from Ukraine and has 110% certainty of making Jews (Zelenskyy) look bad because of the batshit cracy fascist Israeli government, and USA look bad because their history in middle east and they’d probably get involved directly in some way again (happening right now). Oh also Hamas attacked on Putin’s birthday or some shit
Call me conspiracy theorist but it seems so damn obvious
Conspiracy theory doesn’t mean false or crazy. Some conspiracies are crazy/false. But not all. There is a way to generally pick out the bat shit theories pretty quickly though. The more people that are required to maintain a conspiracy, the less likely it is to be a thing.
So for conservatives where they insist that the world is conspiring against them and that they aren’t just assholes. They’re just assholes. In the case of Russia and China running foreign influence operations. We have evidence they do. We know America does. And we know ML or people generally from .ml domains are generally just anti American hypocrites eager to play along just to bash America.
That said, if they are doing this. And they are. Pelosi just gave them plenty more ammunition. The United States is making a lot of unforced errors when it comes to Israel. All we had to do was step back for a little bit and act cautious.
Ya’ll are mixing up two separate stories, but it’s entertaining so I won’t get in your way. But if you’d like to understand the mechanics driving this geopolitical nightmare, this may have some answers.
I saw a video of an Israel official on RT blaming Russia and vowing revenge. I also saw some analysis that some of the weapons Hamas had were from North Korea and Russia would’ve had to have helped get the weapons there. There is all kinds of disinformation going on about the Israel war, so I take everything with a grain of salt.
Calling for a stop to an ethnic cleansing campaign is not pro Russia. If anything, Israel’s behavior has greatly increased the threat of harm to its civilians, and its image on the world stage may never recover. Same for the U.S. ever trying to claim moral superiority.
If I was living in Gaza right now, I’d be transforming myself into a human revenge machine. Even if nobody I knew personally had been killed. Just seeing my neighbors being slaughtered, I’d be quietly and coldly calculating.
I don’t know how making an almost pedestrian (in international relations terms) idea sound incredulous and fantastical is supposed to refute that idea, but it certainly makes you come across as, shall we say, suspiciously out of touch.
“oh right, and you’re just going to beam me that message over the “airwaves” like some kind of “electronic mail”? Haha try pulling the other one, it has bells on.”
When you set up the false premise that Russia would have had to have planned this long ago, as opposed to the stultifyingly obvious possibility that they are simply stoking and taking advantage of a decades-long situation, then of course this seems like tinfoil hat territory.
But if you do choose to occupy the same reality as the rest of us (even just for a few brief moments) wherein Israel and Palestine have been at odds since Israel was dropped in Palestine, and wherein Russia has a long history (like most other superpowers, my home country included) of meddling in the affairs of other countries to their own strategic advantage, then, well, this all seems pretty straightforward.
But you aren’t engaging with my actual words before lazily dismissing me as “terminally online” (whatever you think that means), and I’m not sure you’re even reading them. Case in point - you are reacting as if I’m calling you pedestrian, when I’m clearly calling the concept of one nation meddling in the affairs of another nation almost pedestrian.
But I’m done wasting words on someone who doesn’t know what to do with them - or who intentionally misuses them. Good night.
My advice would be read more. Not for explicit knowledge, but for refinement of your overall verbal model. Fiction is best. Why not read all the Stephen King books? He’s written like 50
and they’re fun.
Hey pal, if you spoke to me in real life the way you speak to people online, I’d slap the shit out of you.
No comment on the topic of your conversations but you’re sure a smarmy little fucker. Stop that shit. The internet’s already chalked full of dick heads.
That has been Russia’s game for more than a decade now: stoke existing tensions. Brexit, political polarization in the USA and internal division in nearly all European countries.
Bringing the already uneasy situation between Israel/Palestine to a boiling point in order to distract from Russia’s war in Ukraine is not a big stretch.
Prove to us that you learned something from that book.
In your own words, what is it about the demographics of Israel or the history of Russian aid to Palestine, that would alter people’s opinions in this context if they knew it?
Exactly. I swear, at this point Lemmy.world is just another Reddit propaganda zealot parade. From what was once the leader of the idea of enlightenment, the US now is like an alternate dimension where the average IQ is just 20 points lower. And it shows here, it really does. War is peace and the cold war is back on, yeehaw boys 🎉
Sorry, I see now how my comment wasn’t clear. I meant it the other way around, and was trying to agree with snipvoid. Like the poster in my window indicates, I very much align with anti zionism.
It’s all orchestrated by big, bad (simultaneously weak, cowardly) Russia - never mind the fact that Israel and Russia are pals. As long as it can sow fear and confusion in the population to hinder a popular peace movement, anything goes.
i still suspect those conflicts are related. i can 100% picture some FSB guy helping hamas attack or bribing Bibi to create a humanitarian crisis, so western attention, funding and weapons gets drawn away from Ukraine. This is some shit they would pull in desperation.
Well, I mean, Hamas is funded by Iran. Iran and Russia are good buddies. So…
It only makes sense. Russia financing start of another conflict that takes attention away from Ukraine and has 110% certainty of making Jews (Zelenskyy) look bad because of the batshit cracy fascist Israeli government, and USA look bad because their history in middle east and they’d probably get involved directly in some way again (happening right now). Oh also Hamas attacked on Putin’s birthday or some shit
Call me conspiracy theorist but it seems so damn obvious
Conspiracy theory doesn’t mean false or crazy. Some conspiracies are crazy/false. But not all. There is a way to generally pick out the bat shit theories pretty quickly though. The more people that are required to maintain a conspiracy, the less likely it is to be a thing.
So for conservatives where they insist that the world is conspiring against them and that they aren’t just assholes. They’re just assholes. In the case of Russia and China running foreign influence operations. We have evidence they do. We know America does. And we know ML or people generally from .ml domains are generally just anti American hypocrites eager to play along just to bash America.
That said, if they are doing this. And they are. Pelosi just gave them plenty more ammunition. The United States is making a lot of unforced errors when it comes to Israel. All we had to do was step back for a little bit and act cautious.
Pelosi’s claim is that protestors have Russian ties, because, you know, opposing genocide is anti-American.
Ya’ll are mixing up two separate stories, but it’s entertaining so I won’t get in your way. But if you’d like to understand the mechanics driving this geopolitical nightmare, this may have some answers.
Blood hungry government officials, who would have thought
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (born 7 October 1952)
Sonofabitch, you’re right they did.
We don’t hate the Jews. We hate the genocide. Love the sinner. Hate the sin.
I saw a video of an Israel official on RT blaming Russia and vowing revenge. I also saw some analysis that some of the weapons Hamas had were from North Korea and Russia would’ve had to have helped get the weapons there. There is all kinds of disinformation going on about the Israel war, so I take everything with a grain of salt.
Calling for a stop to an ethnic cleansing campaign is not pro Russia. If anything, Israel’s behavior has greatly increased the threat of harm to its civilians, and its image on the world stage may never recover. Same for the U.S. ever trying to claim moral superiority.
If I was living in Gaza right now, I’d be transforming myself into a human revenge machine. Even if nobody I knew personally had been killed. Just seeing my neighbors being slaughtered, I’d be quietly and coldly calculating.
That’s why it’s unlikely Israel will stop soon. They only need a few to survive, so the danger is small, but looming enough to keep Bibi in office.
An FSB time traveler going into the past several decades to start kicking Palestinians out of their homes and restricting their general access.
Whoa dude Russia could be behind ALL CRIME EVER IN HISTORY
Got any more big brain takes to share?
I don’t know how making an almost pedestrian (in international relations terms) idea sound incredulous and fantastical is supposed to refute that idea, but it certainly makes you come across as, shall we say, suspiciously out of touch.
“oh right, and you’re just going to beam me that message over the “airwaves” like some kind of “electronic mail”? Haha try pulling the other one, it has bells on.”
Well gosh I wouldn’t want to come across as pedestrian. That’s clearly your turf, so humbly excuse any perceived intrusion.
A terminally online existence sure makes for some USDA choice paranoia.
Blink twice if the time travelling Russians are in your room.
When you set up the false premise that Russia would have had to have planned this long ago, as opposed to the stultifyingly obvious possibility that they are simply stoking and taking advantage of a decades-long situation, then of course this seems like tinfoil hat territory.
But if you do choose to occupy the same reality as the rest of us (even just for a few brief moments) wherein Israel and Palestine have been at odds since Israel was dropped in Palestine, and wherein Russia has a long history (like most other superpowers, my home country included) of meddling in the affairs of other countries to their own strategic advantage, then, well, this all seems pretty straightforward.
But you aren’t engaging with my actual words before lazily dismissing me as “terminally online” (whatever you think that means), and I’m not sure you’re even reading them. Case in point - you are reacting as if I’m calling you pedestrian, when I’m clearly calling the concept of one nation meddling in the affairs of another nation almost pedestrian.
But I’m done wasting words on someone who doesn’t know what to do with them - or who intentionally misuses them. Good night.
Sorry I don’t speak Chat GPT.
Try again.
My advice would be read more. Not for explicit knowledge, but for refinement of your overall verbal model. Fiction is best. Why not read all the Stephen King books? He’s written like 50 and they’re fun.
Hey pal, if you spoke to me in real life the way you speak to people online, I’d slap the shit out of you.
No comment on the topic of your conversations but you’re sure a smarmy little fucker. Stop that shit. The internet’s already chalked full of dick heads.
Do you feel like a big boy saying that from behind your keyboard?
Go back to Reddit, you fit in there.
Imagine being a fully formed adult and saying to anyone, in any context, on the internet ‘I’d slap the shit outta you’ with a straight face.
Time for a nap little one.
Boy this thread is a laugh a minute.
That has been Russia’s game for more than a decade now: stoke existing tensions. Brexit, political polarization in the USA and internal division in nearly all European countries.
Bringing the already uneasy situation between Israel/Palestine to a boiling point in order to distract from Russia’s war in Ukraine is not a big stretch.
R O F L
ITT: People who know nothing about the demographics of Israel or the history of Russia providing Palestine with aid.
Crack a book ya’ll
Prove to us that you learned something from that book.
In your own words, what is it about the demographics of Israel or the history of Russian aid to Palestine, that would alter people’s opinions in this context if they knew it?
Exactly. I swear, at this point Lemmy.world is just another Reddit propaganda zealot parade. From what was once the leader of the idea of enlightenment, the US now is like an alternate dimension where the average IQ is just 20 points lower. And it shows here, it really does. War is peace and the cold war is back on, yeehaw boys 🎉
Anti Zionism is propaganda now LOL okay dude. And if you really want peace then you would want this ethnic cleansing by Israel to end.
Sorry, I see now how my comment wasn’t clear. I meant it the other way around, and was trying to agree with snipvoid. Like the poster in my window indicates, I very much align with anti zionism.
Oh okay no worries it happens
Yeah, it’s fucking sad. I’ve mostly dropped out because of it.
Dropping out makes it worse.
Narrow your focus for sure but please do not drop out.
Well I’m still here and posting am I? But I ain’t got the energy to pick fights everyday, multiple times a day.
It’s all orchestrated by big, bad (simultaneously weak, cowardly) Russia - never mind the fact that Israel and Russia are pals. As long as it can sow fear and confusion in the population to hinder a popular peace movement, anything goes.
It is not like Israel needs any help, and I don’t think that we are all incapable of following two different events.
If we are talking about theories, it can also be that west created it so that people’s attention goes away of Ukraine since it is just a big fiasco.
Attention is actually a limited resource
If you’re curious as to how they are related, it’s because of over-accumulation of capital.