Louisiana will become the first state to require that public universities and K-12 schools display the Ten Commandments in every classroom after the Senate voted overwhelmingly to push forward new
  • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1693·
    7 months ago

    “The purpose is not solely religious,” Sen. Jay Morris, R-West Monroe, told the Senate. Rather, it is the Ten Commandments’ "historical significance, which is simply one of many documents that display the history of our country and foundation of our legal system.”

    Only two of them are actually law: Thou shalt not murder and thou shalt not steal.

    This is all about religion, and they’re going to get away with it. We’d be better off if our legal codes were based on the seven tenets instead.

  • Delusional@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1402·
    7 months ago

    Religious people just love indoctrinating children. It’s their whole thing. Get them while they’re young and dumb and won’t realize it’s all just make believe bullshit.

    • Nate Cox@programming.devEnglish
      511·
      7 months ago

      It makes me so angry because children are vulnerable and trusting; exploiting that to get them to believe in nonsense is evil.

    • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      1810·
      7 months ago

      Shitty people love indoctrinating children.

      Religion, much like many idealogical groups, gives an easy place for assholes to find confirmation of their own shit ideas, and a shield of “righteousness” and “I’m doing it for their own good” to hide behind lest the dying gasps of their withered conscience interrupt them.

      There’s plenty of secular belief systems along these lines as well. Many racist groups like skinheads, neonazis, and the KKK spread through indoctrination of children (parents passing beliefs to children) and appeals to young people as “the solution” for the confusion and isolation they feel growing up.

      I’m Christian, I feel that the ten commandments are some of the best secular life advice the bible has to offer, and this mess is complete and utter unmitigated bullshit.

      No if ands or buts, whoever was involved in this clown show of a law deserves to be instantly stripped of any governmental or education system titles or powers and banned from holding any position of power for life.

      Any religion, belief system, or idealogical concept worth anything should be capable of standing up on it’s own.

      • Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        7 months ago

        I’m Christian, I feel that the ten commandments are some of the best secular life advice the bible has to offer, and this mess is complete and utter unmitigated bullshit.

        Not to start an argument, but I just can’t understand how you think it’s a fit guide for secular life. Half of the commandments are explicitly religious, and the other half are basic common sense laws that are already encompassed by the Golden Rule that many cultures and religions came up with independently (including the Abrahamic ones elsewhere in their religious texts).

        But, to go into more detail (and using the full text, not the abbreviated versions that make it look kinder):

        I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me.

        Standard monotheism, nothing to say here. It’d be weird if it weren’t here, and it’s better than most declarations in that it only applies to that religion’s adherents and doesn’t explicitly deny the existence of other gods (a note: IIRC the golden calf was created through a miracle and nobody acted as though that was weird, but I’d like if someone more scholarly could chime in).

        You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.

        Funny how the first set of tablets was destroyed when Moses discovered his people losing faith and worshipping an idol, and the replacements he made contained a law specifically against that very uncommon occurrence. Surely that law was in the original tablets as well and not just added as a reaction to those events…

        As for the second half, I don’t know how anyone could read this, considered the most literal word of god in their religion, and say it’s a good basis for morality. Punishing innocent children for their ancestors’ actions or beliefs is straight up evil.

        It also explicitly states that his love is conditional, something that strongly conflicts with the main modern offshoots of the religion.

        You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.

        Weird how the only commandments specifying something is unforgivable are for things that bruise their deity’s ego, but then again the OT god was an incredibly petty tyrant.

        Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it.

        I’ve never really looked into the Sabbath so I’m not going to touch this one. I am mildly annoyed that the justification for their rest day is yet another ego-stroking thing instead of something for the benefit of the people. Imagine how much better things might be if several large religions stressed the importance of breaks for reasons of physical and mental health.

        Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.

        Anyone who had abusive, neglectful, or narcissistic parents could tell you the problem with this one, but I can’t fault an insular, patriarchal religion from several millennia ago for trying to keep families together during an especially trying period when thoughts of desertion must have been common.

        You shall not murder.

        You shall not commit adultery.

        You shall not steal.

        You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

        These are the only ones I have zero problem with. They are also exactly what you’d expect someone to set as law when leading a bunch of people, especially if problems are starting to crop up due to low morale.

        You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

        Note that all examples here were considered property (morality rules get a pass for things like slavery and owning your wife if they’re old enough) so this is technically a repeat of the law against stealing. Or, since it states that coveting is forbidden, it would cover stealing and be an example of thoughtcrime.

  • Hucklebee@lemmy.worldEnglish
    53·
    7 months ago

    No problem! We’ve got options!

    -Fontsize = 3

    -Hang them with text against wall

    -Hang them on the ceiling

    -Type them in Chinese/foreign language/braille

    -Bright yellow text on white paper

    -Printed with bad cartridge

    -Font: wingdings

  • radicalautonomy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    491·
    7 months ago

    Welp…I was gonna visit NOLA one more time before moving from Texas to Oregon this summer and leaving the Deep South once and for all. But, as a public school teacher, I have to say this is completely and utterly monkeyfucked, and Louisiana isn’t getting a thin-ass dime from me.

    • PigsInClover@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      7 months ago

      Samesies. I was going to stop in NOLA one last time and enjoy myself there while moving from Texas to Rhode Island this summer and leaving the Deep South once and for all.

      Only I’m not a teacher. Good luck with your move! And working in a much better public education system. What Abbott has been doing to our schools is insane.

      • JasonDJ@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        7 months ago

        Hi neighbor!

        Native RIer living in Mass now.

        You’ll find we are much more tolerant up here. We accept everybody. We hate them but we accept them. Like an asshole best-friend.

    • Texas_Hangover@lemm.eeEnglish
      215·
      7 months ago

      Oh no! Louisiana’s missing out on that sweet public school teacher tourism money! That’ll cripple 'em.

    • sqw@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      221·
      7 months ago

      ‘course, supporting cool stuff in new orleans is about the best way to flip the bird at baton rouge.

      • radicalautonomy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        121·
        7 months ago

        I spend money in New Orleans, sales tax is collected, which is appropriated in Baton Rouge. That will not be happening.

  • cum@lemmy.cafeEnglish
    40·
    7 months ago

    Name and shame the religious extremist who passed this and ban them from office

    Ask them how they’d feel about requiring children to wear hijabs and all of the sudden they’ll understand how everyone feels about their fascist laws lol

  • boatsnhos931@lemmy.worldEnglish
    24·
    7 months ago

    I thought the old testament was supposed to be irrelevant/null and void after Jeebus and the new new testament.

    • h3ndrik@feddit.deEnglish
      27·
      7 months ago

      But actually following Jesus’ teaching would be way too progressive. As far as I remember he was basically a hippie, advocating for love, helping each other out and the poor, and strongly against hate and capitalism. And he didn’t quite like the old traditions. So I think as a christian as of today you definitely need some counterbalance and some other book to point at to defend your conservatism, egoistcal behaviour and hate towards people who aren’t 100% like yourself.

    • Archelon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      7 months ago

      Yeah but that doesn’t let us demonize minorities so we can radicalize the population into voting against their own interests for the benefit of the oligarchyyyyyy

      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        7 months ago

        I hate when people do things like demonize minorities.

        Just the other day I saw a member of $ethnicgroup helping someone they hardly knew. If even a member of $ethnicgroup could do that how much better the rest of us should act.

        Another time this woman of $ethnicgroup came to someone and begged for their child’s life. That someone said they were only here for his group not people of $ethnicgroup. So the woman groveled at his feet and called herself $ethnicslur until the man agreed to help.

    • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      7 months ago

      That only applies to the Old Testament passages that forbid usury, of course.

      I went through 18 years of being forced to go to church and never learned the word.

      Methinks that was purposeful.

    • EpeeGnome@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      7 months ago

      Jesus: I came not to enforce the law, but to fulfill it.

      Paul: Well, what he AKSTUALLY meant is blah blah ceremonial law vs moral law blah blah sex is yucky, I mean sinful!

      I mean, it’s more complex than that, but Paul wrote like he understood the necessity of reproduction, but didn’t really comprehend what sexual urges actually feel like. He also wrote such long rambling sentences that he makes Charles Dickens look concise and clear.

      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        7 months ago

        Matthew was just trying to repair the damage to James, very likely.

        Paul: OT is gone except the parts I like

        James: OT is still there even oral parts drifting around it.

        A huge difference in how the religion should be practiced.

        Now if you were a writer 5 decades later and needed to redeem the image of James, while still showing that he was wrong, this could be a good way to do it. It wasn’t that James was super wrong, he just misunderstood something Jesus said at one point. Could happen to anyone.

  • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    23·
    7 months ago

    To be fair Louisiana can’t do much more than alternate between crying and sticking its head in the sand. Unfortunately it is the state where a whole lot of oil refineries and disgusting chemical plants have set up shop and that has just locked the state into a death spiral politically. Louisiana is absolutely FUCKED though from climate change and I think you have to see the batshit crazy behavior of people there from that context. Climate Change is going to demolish the lives of people who live in Louisiana (actually by the numbers it is going to somehow be FAR worse than Florida) and no matter how much denial you are in about Climate Change the fear will keep seeping into these people’s psyches no matter what, like rising flood waters slipping between the cracks of buildings…

    https://assets.firststreet.org/uploads/2020/06/first_street_foundation__first_national_flood_risk_assessment.pdf

    It is useless to try to understand why the ideological contagions of religious fundamentalism and conservatism are so widespread in Louisiana outside the context of the state being a trashcan for the entire US oil and chemical industrial complex. This kind of suffering, ideological dissonance with basic aspects of reality and obsession with issues that are massive distractions from unfolding mass scale health catastrophes (like healthcare being an utterly failed system in the US or rent being completely unaffordable) are a fundamental requirement for petroleum and chemical companies to maintain their incredibly destructive existence, otherwise they would be shut down almost immediately by angry masses of citizens.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_refining_in_the_United_States