Progressive civil war EXPLODES over Israel/Gaza
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-- A panel discussion on the state of the progressive movement in the United States featuring Brianna Wu (@briannawu on Twitter), Executive Director of Rebel...

Claudia de la Cruz of PSL puts an end to Brianna Wu

    • CarbonConscious [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      26·
      4 months ago

      Ok she seems awesome, and I’ve heard the PSL endorsed by at least a few Marxists I trust, but what do yall think about them and their platform? Any weird gotchas in there or history of grossness from her or the organization?

      • corgiwithalaptop [any, love/loves]@hexbear.netEnglish
        21·
        4 months ago

        I believe some northeast chapters have had SA cover up accusations levied against them, but I had my own not great experience with my local branch in the Midwest. Nowhere near anything like that, just more of a “this branch needs to figure out what they’re doing, and they’re actively leading me on and wasting my time” sorta thing.

        That said, I’ve voted for them in the past, and if they’re on the ballot, they’ll get my vote. I just dont work with them locally anymore.

        • da_gay_pussy_eatah [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          21·
          4 months ago

          I only know of one case in the philly branch, and like from what I heard, it was an understandably messy situation, but that seems more like a problem in any type of organization, not specific to the PSL. It seems to me like people conflate the branch/national not airing dirty laundry in public with them doing some kind of nefarious cover up.

        • nala [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          14·
          4 months ago

          PSL are not trots. PSL supports Cuba, Vietnam, China and the historical USSR.
          PSL did branch from a trot organization, which might be why you think this. This is because most surviving leftist organizations in America post WW2 redscare were trot organizations.

          Links to some random PSL publication articles to prove my point. https://www.liberationschool.org/category/china-2/

          https://www.liberationnews.org/tag/cuba/

          https://www.liberationnews.org/how-vietnam-defeated-u-s-imperialism/

          https://www.liberationschool.org/theory-and-revolution-addressing-the-break-of-ideological-continuity/

        • freagle@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
          7·
          4 months ago

          This is incorrect and you should edit your post to reduce the wrecker impact of your comment. You have received enough evidence from others to justify this course of action.

          If you need more, listen to PSL’s podcast or read their news website. They are very strategically an American party. They do not voice direct and unequivocal support for nations that America is in direct conflict with because it’s politically difficult to do that and not get marginalized. If you listen to their talking points, it’s clear they support China and Russia against the USA, but they’re also from the anti-war movement so they use their anti-war rhetoric to avoid being so obvious about their pro-Russia position vis-a-vis the Ukraine conflict. They don’t want people to die. They also don’t want to support one capitalist oligarchy over another, but they absolutely support anti-imperialism.

          They are also very clearly focused on revolution here in the USA and not focused on a permanent global revolution in every country.

          There’s basically nothing Trotskyist about them. They aren’t ultras, but it can sound like it because they are Americans navigating the brainrot in America caused by American propaganda.

          They are a democratic centralist party. They have strict discipline for their members. They have strong vetting. They are building a mass movement informed explicitly by Lenin’s writings. Honestly the worst thing about them is that they aren’t incorporating enough Mao, Fanon, Ho, and other Global South theories into their organizing.

          • combat_brandonism [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            3·
            4 months ago

            edited, but also maybe chill.

            I had a PSL member take a pro-NATO position discussing balkanization with me in a public forum. If you’re as demcent as you’re touting, if the membership is that rigorously vetted, that’s grounds for me to be sus.

            • freagle@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
              6·
              4 months ago

              Yeah, that’s pretty sus, I agree. You won’t find any official positions of the PSL being pro-NATO. It’s so incongruous with the party line that I have to wonder if the person was actually a member of PSL or if their chapter is poorly governed.

  • footfaults [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    27·
    4 months ago

    @2:03 Wu: I got into the progressive movement over a decade ago

    Jesus christ. This pisses me off because this person has done nothing but shit all over everything and hasn’t even been in this movement for very long. Like, I think I am only a little younger than Wu and I have been kicking around since 2004.

    Like, I’m not trying to gatekeep here. It’s just that this person smells like a grifter to me.

    @2:27

    Charges of the left being anti-semetic, man fuck off.

    5:00 Konst talking about bots

    5:30 Konst is mad about people calling her NATO

    6:15 Wu jumps in and agrees that Konst was treated unfairly by people online.

    Ugh. Kill me

    7:40

    okay finally De La Cruz gets a chance to talk and finally talks some sense about how the Democratic party is the one who silences leftists and progressives. Excellent stuff.

    12:17 Wu basically accuses the anti-zionist stances as being a smokescreen, or a way to hide their anti-semitism

    honestly I think I’m just going to skip the parts where Konst or Wu talk and just focus on De La Cruz

    • Amerikan Pharaoh@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      15·
      4 months ago

      The moment she accused the actual left of ‘antisemitism’ and tried to erase the line that separates actual Jews from genocidal zionists was the exact moment I remembered why I hated that waterbearing grifter. She a sheepdog just like Bernie, it fundamentally fucking SICKENS me that these people call themselves ‘progressive’.

      That woman just wants to be a democrat. You can literally see-- the NANOSECOND it gets brought up that Israel is a settler-colonial abomination, EVERY TIME the genocide gets called out, Wu literally rolls her eyes, zero fucking discipline or even an ATTEMPT to act like she’s not a settler; and I’m just sitting here like "you fucking cracker."

      She’s such a settler; she even starts waxing poetic at 50:00 about how good Amerika is and how “progressives have to exile this anti-Amerikan attitude”. I can’t fuckin finish this, I’m sickened by this… This… Settler-colonial fellatio. This is why I say “death to Amerika”. This is why I say “death to the settler”. We will get nowhere as long as we share real estate with parasites so incapable of historical self-reflection or self-awareness like this.