and pardon on a case-by-case basis the working-class Americans in the federal prison system whose lives have been ruined by unjustly aggressive prosecutions for nonviolent offenses
It’s a noble idea in principle. But how the hell can a sizeable number of innocent or excessively punished people be pardoned on a case by case basis in the span of under 7 weeks?
This is an extremely impractical idea to implement, and reeks of empty grandstanding in by Jeffries.
It’s also entirely too broad to mean much of anything.
The letter noted that the US has disproportionately incarcerated people of color, low-income individuals, members of the LGBTQ+ community and those with disabilities, and that 90% of the federal prison population was convicted on non-violent offenses.
What are you talking about? If the rich and the powerful get justice why not the rest of us too? Since when has justice been too broad?
That’s kind of exactly my point. 90% is still a lot of people and I doubt the database of federal inmates has an “unjustly prosecuted” filter. But there are some non-violent white collar criminals who absolutely belong in prison (including about half of Trump’s advisors) so there needs to be something to focus on like marijuana possession or whistleblowers or something else that can narrow the scope.
Here you go.
Despite these actions, the Last Prisoner Project (LPP) notes in a statement that Biden “has yet to release a single person still incarcerated for cannabis through commutation.” Although the pardons granted relief to thousands of people with a conviction on their records, the president’s clemency actions did not address the approximately 3,000 individuals serving time in federal prisons for cannabis related offenses.
So all the “he pardoned weed offenses” was just as much of a lie as “he rescheduled cannabis.”
No, it just means he didn’t pardon all weed offenses.
Right. He timidly only pardoned the ones who were already out. Because incrementalism is about doing as little as you think you can get away with and demanding everyone act like you solved the whole problem.
Cannabis is still schedule I and these people are still in prison.
cough of already released people cough
That sounds like a great place to start; it also wasn’t mentioned in the headline, summary, or original article.
The article was about what Hakeem Jeffries thinks Biden should do.
Yes. And I’m saying that a “case-by-case” analysis of “nonviolent offenses” is impossible in two months and if he wants anything to happen he needs to narrow the scope because non violent is not the same as victimless. The drug offenses you mentioned seem like a fine place to start.
He could start today and get through at least 35. I’m betting we’ll see less than that though.
Anything would be better than nothing. People are saying democrats should challenge norms. I agree. Get these pardons moving.
Just pardon them all to bankrupt the prison system and realize that while you let a few awful people go free most of the people you pardoned and those around them will have markedly better lives.
The wild thing is that at this point it’s hard to argue that special interest lobbies are holding him back. He’s got virtually nothing to lose and yet he does nothing aside from making the self-interested play.
“Sorry for the shitty system we’re kind of responsible for. Go see Moana 2!”
It’s the bare minimum. We are supposed to have justice for all in this country. Not just justice for Hunter Biden.
How about Biden starts now and focuses on getting as many done as possible. What’s this angle of pretending it’s too difficult?
No matter what Biden does you’re going to complain it isn’t enough
How are you satisfied with Joe Biden pardoning Hunter Biden and calling it a day? The rich and the powerful get justice and that’s it? Why defend Biden on this one?
The Democrats refuse to use power for the sake of norms until they personally can benefit from breaking the norm. This doesn’t help anyone other than Hunter Biden. They should challenge norms for the benefit of the American people. Biden has the pardon power and plenty of time left. He should use it! edit: typo
It’s hard to blame people for wanting to hold on to the hope that the Democratic party* isn’t also self-serving. They’re wrong, but their hearts are probably in the right place.
Edit: In light of the downvotes, let me clarify: I don’t think either the Democrats or Republicans give a rat’s ass about their voters. I’m trying to be charitable towards people here.
It’s been clear since Pelosi and other Democrats were caught insider trading that most contemporary politicians are self-serving. The distinction we should care about is that for Republicans the cruelty is the point. Where as democrats at least make an effort to make things better even if it’s incremental.
Pardons would be an incremental change to a systemic problem that, while insufficient, should be well within the Democrats wheelhouse and not unwelcome.
Democrats need to stop caring about taking the moral high road and start caring about using power to help people. They can’t be bothered to see the former through to the end so they might as well do the latter. The core message of Biden’s 2020 campaign was a battle for the soul of our nation. Thankfully souls aren’t real because Biden lost that battle hard. edit: typos
Let’s see what happens. By all means advocate, protest, anything. But don’t most presidents do their mass pardons in like the last week if not the last days?
Presumably they were working on most of those pardons before they were issued. However I think actions presidents do at the end of their presidency get more attention. It seems like there have been lots of pardons and they don’t all take place at the end of presidencies.
No matter what Biden does you’re going to complain it isn’t enough
Good point… I assume Hunter gets to keep that 1.4 million of taxes he didnt pay and is now pardoned for, why not give him more of the treasuries money? Why not give all the rich people the money from the treasury?
Nope, he already paid the owed taxes in December of 2020.
Good to know you’re willing to make stuff up to support your bias.
Well thanks for the info I guess. You’ll notice I said “I assume” rather than your claim that I was asserting it as fact. But point taken. In return I can suggest you can work on your tone when engaging strangers.
That’s my fault I read your comment wrong. I thought it said “I assume you think it’s ok Hunter gets to keep…”. My bad
Nice of you to say that. My bad too then.
he can gather a team of lawyers to go through the files and compile a list. lawyers have evolved past the need for sleep, so they have an extra 8 hours a day to go through files. should be doable in 7 weeks.
Bidens lawyers have been sleeping for 4 years. They can do some work for once in their lives.
Or he could gather double the amount of lawyers and they could all sleep at night. Either way.
He pardoned hundreds of people for nonviolent weed offenses and nobody bat an eye, but I’m sure every little bit helps.
Despite these actions, the Last Prisoner Project (LPP) notes in a statement that Biden “has yet to release a single person still incarcerated for cannabis through commutation.” Although the pardons granted relief to thousands of people with a conviction on their records, the president’s clemency actions did not address the approximately 3,000 individuals serving time in federal prisons for cannabis related offenses.
He should definitely do more.
Something about their wording kind of turns me off. If there are people still behind bars for only Marijuana, and no history of violence, then certainly Biden should set them free.
Something about their wording kind of turns me off.
Is your argument that their tone is wrong?
No, I’m expressing the nuance that I wouldn’t support immediate release of everyone whose crimes include but explicitly are not limited to Weed. I’m just expressing nuance. I think people with multiple crimes should be considered for commuting sentences or parole but I don’t think releasing them all as a blanket statement is uh… sane.
That’s not Tone. That’s having a different stance altogether, unless they’re simply failing to convey their stance.
The quoted section in particular is referring to people with cannabis related offenses. It doesn’t say anything about releasing people with more serious offenses in addition to cannabis related offenses.
That isn’t nuance it’s just putting words in their mouth.
If you release every single person with cannabis related offenses then you’re going to release people with many other crimes as well. Rather than putting words in their mouth I’m pointing out their stance is subjectively bad with the low number of words they are using.
I have to be critical of this because the world we live in absolutely has people who would release every single person, unironically.
If you release every single person with cannabis related offense
the president’s clemency actions did not address the approximately 3,000 individuals serving time in federal prisons for cannabis related offenses.
These are the not the same statements. No one is arguing for releasing every single person with cannabis offenses no matter what other crime they also committed. These are people with cannabis related offenses and nothing else.
It’s clear because they specified a number, 3000. Your argument isn’t being critical because it doesn’t address what they actually wrote.
Common Democratic PR fumble.
I swear to God, the Dems PR team is all Republican undercover agents.
More like the Dems pr is aimed at their potential donors, not their potential voters.
the dem leadership seem to hate their voters.
I wouldn’t say they hate them. Their attitude is more like “you need us, so you better vote for us”. That’s been their attitude towards POCs and other minorities for decades, they’re just expanding it to include everyone
The first people the fascists are going to go after will likely be minorities and immigrants in prison.
If Joe Biden pardoning Hunter Biden doesn’t bother you then neither should this. This is what we should be calling for, because the justice system isn’t fair to anyone, not just Hunter Biden.
Why are people acting like this is too difficult? Biden doesn’t have to go through every file himself. Form a small committee of legal experts you respect and take a bite out of what you can.
Why are people acting like this is too difficult?
Because this is lemmy. The only proactive action they support is proactively selling weapons to their favorite person for their favorite activity.
I wouldn’t go that far…
“During his final weeks in office, President Biden should exercise the high level of compassion he has consistently demonstrated throughout his life, including toward his son, and pardon on a case-by-case basis the working-class Americans in the federal prison system whose lives have been ruined by unjustly aggressive prosecutions for nonviolent offenses,” Jeffries said in a statement.
Biden needs to use the insane powers bestowed upon the Presidency to limit the incoming one. Full fucking stop.
This is a terrifying precedent, though. If it becomes demonstratable that a sitting president can ignore the vote and veto the election, then every president from then until the end of time can argue against the “damage” the next president will cause. This was Hitler claiming “emergency powers,” and you will immediately have a dictatorship, not a democracy.
I’m not saying another Trump presidency is “fine” by any regard, but I don’t believe in being a fascist to prevent fascism.
The alternative is do nothing and then act surprised when the GOP do whatever the fuck they want anyway, regardless of Democrat high-road stances.
It’s already happened. It can’t be undone.
The Supreme Court could be undone.
Not in this political climate. Dafuq you talking about?
That means it won’t be undone, not that it couldn’t be.
A straightforward way to protect people from fascists would be to get them out of prisons where they will otherwise be easy targets.
Pardon everyone and burn this place down.
The letter noted that the US has disproportionately incarcerated people of color, low-income individuals, members of the LGBTQ+ community and those with disabilities, and that 90% of the federal prison population was convicted on non-violent offenses.
90% of them are non-violent offenders. I’m not convinced the other 10% would result in the country burning down. They weren’t born in prison, but the country still managed to arrest them when they did something wrong. How about we arrest them again if they break the law instead of self-immolating for no reason? Or just pardon the 90% with non-violent offenses.
pardon everyone except the january 6 people
Calm down Joan Baez.
I also would like one order of a “full unconditional pardon of any crime that I may or may not have committed, from [date of my birth] to [date of my death], and also pardon all my debts and taxes also effective from the same time period please.”
This sounds like a wish list of a Sovcit
Nah, there’s no mention of 7 silver coins and the death of the business entity created by the government in their name.
He should pardon every undocument immigrant in the US, just to stick it to Trump, any woman charged with any crime under retro-medieval aborton laws, and commute every death sentence under his jurisdiction. But he won’t.
Could he pardon our loans please?
You don’t pay much attention to news, huh?
Are you talking about the student loans he wrote off for a small subset of people who needed it?
I’m happy for those who got it, but that’s hardly enough progress on this issue for me to give our government praise for it. Nearly all of us in the working class were still better off four years ago than we are now. Biden jacked up interest rates to address “inflation,” which increased my mortgage by around $700 a month. That’s more than what I pay in student loans, and that’s just one example.
Things seems to just get worse slower when dems are in office, not better. IAnd I’m entirely fed up with it.
100%
They’re controlled opposition; they exist to block any leftist, progressive candidates from reaching positions of actual influence. They have abandoned workers and aided in the gutting of the middle class for at least 10 years.
A true 'Murican (I live among them)
That picture tho
XD They need to give him his aviators, it’s way too bright out there for him. I would probably be squinting too lol. edit: typo
This would have been productive with a blue-ribbon commission and 2 years. But Biden should totally be able to hammer it out one rainy morning.
But Biden should totally be able to hammer it out one rainy morning.
Why not? Democrats should use the power of the government to improve people’s lives.
edit: looks like lemmy downtime caused a double post
Democrats should use the power of the government to improve people’s lives.
That would be out of character for them.
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He could at least pardon as many as he can get to.
He resigned for our crimes
He did. By passing meaningful legislation for 4 years and forgiving student loans.
Then we told him to go fuck himself and re-hired a felon rapist.
He doesn’t owe us shit.
He doesn’t owe us shit.
Like fuck he doesn’t. He’s the fucking president. If he had an ounce of decency, he’d keep fighting fascism 'til the last day of his presidency. That’s what having power in a republic means, the duty to use it for the common good.
The Senator from MBNA only ever had one agenda. I’ll quote the man himself, “Nothing will fundamentally change”. Caught hotmic’d in a closed door large
briberydonor fancy plate shindig 4.5 years ago. Wouldn’t be holding any breath waiting for anything from this guy.My point’s just that he has the duty, not that I expect him to execute it.
Anyone with an ounce of decency wouldn’t even run for president, let alone get elected
Do you have suggestions? Or just complaints? Are you aware presidents can’t just do anything?
Do you have suggestions? Or just complaints? Are you aware presidents can’t just do anything?
Holy fucking shit man, the only thing I’m responding to is the idea that Biden doesn’t “owe us shit” because the US electorate was mean to him. Biden owes us the full execution of his duty to the best of his abilities from now until the day he leaves the presidency.
Not to mention that the very topic of the post and article is literally a suggestion from a Congresscritter.
What are your suggestions? You’re complaining. What do you want him to do, within his power, in the remaining month?
Despite these actions, the Last Prisoner Project (LPP) notes in a statement that Biden “has yet to release a single person still incarcerated for cannabis through commutation.” Although the pardons granted relief to thousands of people with a conviction on their records, the president’s clemency actions did not address the approximately 3,000 individuals serving time in federal prisons for cannabis related offenses.
Ask more of your leaders. He in fact does owe us. We live in a democracy.
Be dissatisfied with corruption and nepotism. Otherwise that is all we will get. And we’ll have no one to blame but ourselves.
Pardon everyone, make everyone a billionaire, and banish climate change with the last wish.
Why is doing a useful thing to help people always framed as being unreasonable but nepotism is celebrated?
