This place has roughly 3,000 people and was intended to be an entire replacement for DaystromInstitute and StarTrek as they were going dark indefinitely. Well, within 4 days the moderators have walked back those statements and opened both subreddits up. I see no incentive for people to come to this website now and while a few may come here in the future, most people will go to r/startrek with 600,000 people.
I can’t believe the negativity coming from the /r/startrek community regarding the blackout and the idea of switching to Lemmy. Forging a new brighter future free of corporate control should fit into the Star Trek ideals of every fan.
I mean, Lemmy if FEDERATED. If that’s not Star Trek, idk what is.
I also find that very strange. If you look at the upvote/downvote ratio on the original threads announcing the subs would be going dark, it seems like most are/were in favour. But probably the ones who are still commenting the most were against it because they are still there? Idk. Anyway, I prefer our c/startrek over r/startrek – especially atm.
maybe if you’re a federation citizen, but for a
redditorklingon, it’s about the empire!
I cannot speak to the internal decisions of /r/StarTrek, but I can speak to /r/DaystromInstitute’s decisions.
As of yesterday, noncompliant moderation teams are under threat from /u/Spez and his lackeys. We reached the decision to reopen, in a limited capacity, to prevent the community from facing a hostile takeover by those who do not properly appreciate its use or its value, and to hopefully funnel traffic here, and we intend that soon those will be the only purposes of the subreddit. In coordinating this move I trust my collagues on the other subs to act in the best interests of the community first, this instance second, and the profiteering bastards last.
Man, what a shit situation for the mods. Either open or you get removed and it opens anyway.
Well I’m not going back to reddit even if this place fizzles out. Reddit has become way too corporate
There will likely be another influx when 3rd party apps die, and further trickling in if more and more moderators hang up the towel and reddit becomes more unmanageable with spam. It is difficult to migrate a whole community at once but I’m sure it will happen slowly, as more people become used to the concept of federation (you would think r/startrek would understand this “federation” though).
The only way I’d go back to reddit at all is if they entirely walk back their new API rules and if Spez steps down.
I’m here, and as long as this community keeps going, I think I probably will remain. Especially since my login is through a community that I am trying to actively participate in growth of.
Yeah, a rapid uptick and downtick makes sense. This platform takes some learning. As long as we post content and make this interesting people will stay and grow.
Nobody Goes There Anymore, It’s Too Crowded
Given the option between hanging out with 3,000 Trekkies who are willing to plunge headfirst into a strange new ecosystem and 600,000 Trekkies who find making an account to be an onerous process, I’ll take the former, thanks
The irony of being a Trekkie but fearing strange new worlds.
You’d think they’d all be excited to join this new federation
Turns out they were really into Star Trek for the Ferengi.
Cut 'em some slack, they’re probably just big fans of that famous Trekkie catchphrase “diversity, who needs it? one combination is enough for me!”
I mean it’s right there in the intro monologue: “to timidly stay where everyone has already been”
Limited diversity in limited combinations.
A little less Mariposan, a little more Bringloidi
“Starfleet was founded to seek out new life – well, there it sits, waiting!”
You’d be shocked at the amount of Star Trek fans who don’t “get it.”
It’s analogous to the gamers who complain about The Last of Us being “too political” while listing, like, BioShock as their favorite game.
Honestly, coming over to Lemmy and the communities all being smaller has been a nice breather to how much noise there is on Reddit these days.
As a former mod at /r/StarTrek, let me tell you there is so much more noise than the average user even saw.
Same, at least we didn’t get as many crazies over at r/startrekgifs but it was still maddening at times to read
You guys did a bang-up job, I miss r/startrekgifs. Happy to be done with reddit, though, on the whole.
Appreciate that. In talks to bring it here
Seriously, aside from all the modding work that went on behind the scenes, you and the other HQG cadre drove so much traffic to reddit. I doubt I would have stayed as long as I did without all those wonderful gifs. Glad you’re here! And thanks for all the laughs over the years.
https://i.imgur.com/7peziOi.gifv
The old days of hqg were pure gold
I agree with this, I didn’t really notice it that much on Reddit, but since coming to Lemmy I notice how pleasant it is to have time to actually engage with content before a thousand new posts are churned to the top.
I for one am here to boldly go away from Reddit.
@dbeardius @zabraven @GuyFleegman
Welcome to the jungle
Not even “it’s too confusing” or “I can’t find things” (both viable excuses right now but being actively worked on) but Signing up for an account is too hard.
In today’s world of literally an email and a password, and most browsers/password mangers will suggest and autofill and save… I just can’t even.
Fine, stay there and absorb ads and promoted shit to your hearts content. Not saying the bar for entry should be high, but goddamn maybe we don’t need the ones who can’t be bothered to create an account.
Let me walk you through my process. Go to join-lemmy and then realize I can’t just join Lemmy, I need to choose a server. So now why go to one place over another. I picked one initially that I didn’t like and apparently isn’t a big one. Then I try beehaw. Beehaw tells me I need to wait to be approved but I can’t even tell if my application went through. Still to this day I am not 100 percent sure if it went through.
Then I joinn sh.itjust.works and hey, great name. Shit just worked. From there it’s not terrible to figure things out but you quickly realize that Lemmy has some rough edges that are obviously going to be a barrier for the masses. Combine that with the fact that the communities simply aren’t quite there yet and it just makes sense. Lemmy is a great start with a ton of potential but I can’t fault the average user for not being ready to make the jump.
and that’s what I mean with the actual flaws that need working out, those are valid.
But the person in the comment was just complaining about needing a new account period. That’s nuts to me.
There are confusing aspects absolutely. Use Lemmy" is not enough. But, if you’re given an instance and a link to it, it’s really straightforward.
Startrek.website doesn’t even have email verification turned on, it’s literally fewer steps than it is to make a reddit account.
The difficulty of entry to fediverse will be the difference between being a reddit replacement and being a separate much smaller community. I don’t fault a non tech minded person for not putting in the effort to learn a new service that they have no attachment to.
I’ve been a member of reddit for 17 years and it took almost a decade before it became popular with the masses. People weren’t attracted to the format, didn’t fully understand how reddit worked, or were unaware of it’s existence for a long time, and as such reddit was more popular with the technically minded. I see the same thing here. I fully admit, I am completely lost here, and in fact, this is my first post. So it needs development, for sure, but I do believe that decentralised social networking is going to be the future … we are coming in on the ground floor. It’s just gonna take a long time before the fediverse is even seen by the vast majority, let alone accessible and understood.
Well put. Reddit’s corporate money grab was the last straw for me. I’m glad this community is here and can’t wait to see what awaits ya.
I literally don’t understand what is there to learn that everyone isn’t already used to in one form or another.
Kbin, lemmy, pixelfed, mastodon, beehaw are all pretty intuitive to start using right away. The account creation process is no different than what is available on mainstream sites.
The federation system sounds a bit intimidating but in reality, it takes about one hour of using your selected service to get used to.
As long as we direct people to instances with a stable stream of content from a large enough number of regular users, they should be absolutely fine.
I think it’s pretty complicated. They need to work on the default “home” page so that it’s populated and turns over. As it is now I’m seeing posts 2 to 3 to 4 days old, from small instances. Default really just needs to be the popular posts from the whole thing.
You can change the sort order, however I can’t figure out any actual sanity to any of the sort orders :(
Sort order “hot” is very broken.
I mean it’s fair to say that there have been many performance issues as most of the federations were not prepared for the mass influx of people, and for someone literally brand new and without context it’s hard to differentiate between temporary performance issues and fundamental flaws. I agree that all the bellyaching is laughably naive about how quickly websites and services come together and evolve, but we can’t pretend that the growing pains haven’t happened.
Growing pains are a separate issue than the problems associated with “non tech minded people putting up with learning a new service”.
The first is a timing issue. Give it some time and the issues will resolve themselves as far as the average user is concerned. The second one implies inherent difficulties arising from the “tech mindedness” of the users and its interaction with the service experience. I’m saying that the average internet user today is “techi minded” enough, even if they don’t consciously know it, to understand how to use fediverse services intuitively, unless we overthink the introduction and scare people away.
It’s not sufficiently intuitive yet because not everything you can do is reachable by a link. For example, this instance automatically shows us many communities from beehaw.org because users from here have subscribed to them. However, we don’t automatically see every community there, and even if we browse their main page from this instance we don’t have a link to browse all their communities. It didn’t take me long to work out I had to browse beehaw.org from a separate browser tab to see all the communities I could search from startrek.website and subscribe too, but that’s too many steps for most people.
If I browse to a beehaw community from here and click the posts linked from their sidebar I end up on pages on their domain that don’t know I’m logged into startrek.website. It just doesn’t work seamlessly unless you’re very web savvy or have even done some webdev before.
I say all this as someone who likes it here. I’m going to stay and I’ve pinned a browser tab here to replace my reddit tab, but Lemmy needs some dedicated work before people other than the rebellious, adventurous, and ancient net nerds like it.
yea the design of the federation aspects of it is particularly not well thought out.
Yes, but making an account is not arduous or complicated.
It’s just like how email in the 90s was seen as some insanely complicated thing only “whiz kids” could grasp. People will learn.
When r/startrek went dark, thought at the time to be forever, I came here. I wasn’t looking for a new reddit. I was looking for a new home to talk with other Star Trek fans. And, that is here. Now that r/startrek is back open, I’m still staying here. I like it here. I don’t see a need for an us versus them showdown. How many r/startrek accounts there are isn’t important to me. How active is c/startrek is important to me. And, I think c/startrek is doing well. With more Star Trek fans finding their way here.
Do I think c/startrek is sustainable and will continue to grow? Yes. Because Star Trek fans tend to love interacting with other Star Trek fans, and with those new to Star Trek. I have my doubts about there being an all out rush back to r/startrek because the initial reason for leaving wasn’t a temporary oopsie, like a technical issue. It was, for me and likely others, because of Huffman’s actions and reactions. That was an eye-opener.
I think on some level many people know that they are just commodities to for profit social medias. The end goal is to gather valuable data, and concentrate eyes on certain spots to sell ads. Monetization. There’s a facade in place. I think problems arise when that facade is frayed and torn. For me, Reddit’s facade is shredded.
I like that here the main goal isn’t to target me with ads. And, I’m thoroughly enjoying the interactions here. Yes, there’s a lot to Lemmy I haven’t learned. Truth be told, I may never learn all or even most about it. However, it only took me a few minutes to figure out the most important things to me on c/startrek – how to read and make comments.
Reddit is gonna Reddit. LLAP, c/startrek.
It is incredibly refreshing to not be inundated with ads. Reddit absorbed all the web 1.0 communities one-by-one, then changed just slowly enough to boil the frog. The recent changes went overboard, rushing for the ipo. They showed their real hand. I won’t be going back.
But at the same time, I don’t begrudge anyone who wants to stay there. Hopefully, they’ll find their way here, but if not I wish them all the best.
It’s going about as expected. Mastodon experienced many waves of new users coming in. A lot of them don’t stay, but at lot do. I expect the same thing to happen here.
I deleted my Reddit account during the blackout, so I had no idea the subs had reopened until I saw this post. I made the move for good - no going back. So hopefully there are enough folks here to keep things engaging! Judging by the three pages of comments on this post, I’d say there are!
"I see no incentive for people to come to this website now " Well, you are free from any more corporate BS here and back on Reddit you are in the same precarious situation that you were in before. If you go back, you will have to compromise.
I’m totally out of my element as far as this community goes and wondered in here from sorting by all, but I won’t be going back to reddit for the reasons you said and then some.
It seems to me enough of the core/healthy users and mods have had enough that the site is going to devolve into a cesspool of hate, bots/spam, circlejerks, and more hate.
It’s the core subreddit members who drive significant portions of content that are leaving. It’s the users who actually go out of their way to report off-topic/rule-breaking content. The ones who always check for/report dropship scammers. These are the users getting fed up and leaving.
It’s the unhealthy users who are going to stay. The kind of mindless drones who upvote content regardless of whether it’s in the appropriate thread. I’ve witnessed an alarming trend over the years of anti-intellectualism and hypersensitivity mixed with aggression spreading on reddit. The site is already going down the drain.
Now the mods are about to lose most of their tools (from 3rd party apps of course!) and are being removed by the reddit admin to reopen subs. Many mods are maliciously noncomplying. Some talk about just not moderating their comunities at all anymore. When the mods leave in droves (which is already happening) is when we’ll start to see reddit deteriorate more.
Reddit itself isn’t going anywhere, and neither is most of their userbase. But their quality is going to plummet. Regardless, I’m happier here even if our communities are smaller for a while. That will just make them more close-knit.
One of the things that made the jump easy for me was that Reddit’s kind of already devolved to that state. I’ve started to notice that most of Reddit’s content is automatically generated. Bots even synergize to the point where one bot will repost an old top post while other bots repost the top comments from the old post. Lately I’ve been seeing weirdly generic and hollow comments that just look like they came from a pool of sentences, or like they were generated by Chat-GPT. And Reddit has long encouraged this trend such as by admitting they approve of free karma subreddits, solely because they make it easier for new users to circumvent spam filters. I don’t think they care about quality as long as bots are increasing the total user count. It’s a localized example of the dead internet theory.
Even if spez was ousted, all these API changes rolled back, and Reddit never made another decision based on corporate greed, I still just don’t really care for what Reddit’s become. These changes are the simple manifestations of what Reddit’s been aiming to do for years, and I don’t see any reason to stay and hope things get better when they’re already so bad and get invariably worse.
I’ve been enjoying this site for the past 4 days. Only time will tell.
I think for now if people know about this and they’re fans because of the spirit of Trek, they’ll come here, and maybe both places. But if they’re a casual fan, they’ll likely stick with Reddit. What’s nice about all the drama is the awareness it brought to Lemmy and the Fediverse as a whole. At least more people know they have a choice.
Well I’m not going back to Reddit after everything they have pulled, I’m hoping other people also feel the same way.
I first joined r/startrek over 12 years ago when it was about 3000 subscribers. I had a lot of fun. Every post could be seen and not drowned out. No troll issues. Those early days were really nice.
