Why is everyone saying “she did not call herself an astronaut” when the meme never states that?
In interviews she was called an astronaut and that is the point this meme is making. One of the other women (Gale something) does call herself an astronaut, so theres that.
This meme is about the out of touch media coverage around the event, not what Katy did not even say.
With that said, I understand the emotional reactions given what is happening in America. Women that worked in NASA are being erased from history at the same time this stunt happens, its infuriating.
I don’t recall Perry claiming she was an astronaut.
This stunt, however, is a colossal tone-deaf, obscenely expensive, wasteful PR stunt while millions of people are terrified about their economic futures. That money could have gone to much better use.
The person who interviewed her after getting back to earth said she was an astronaut now… teo very tone deaf dumb morons who played banter back and forth… Katy didnt correct the woman and was enjoying being akin to an astronaut title and thats why she is being dragged… And she deserves it.
If that’s what happened then I don’t think saying she called herself an astronaut is fair, but I also don’t believe she or Gale deserve any grace after this ordeal. “Have you been to space? Go to space.”
Go read the last part of my comment again slowly… Its the fact that Katy accepted the title until the backlash in the midst of the DEI fiasco and real female astronauts who had their names removed from public views a day before
Noted. Thanks.
Poor Katy. The roasting is endless even though it’s the piece of shit Bezos who actually deserves it.
Bezos deserves it for ripping billions of dollars out of the public space program so that he can indulge in a fantasy of privatized space flight.
Katy deserves a bit of flak for playing along to boost her fading brand.
They both suck.
But she’s trying to make women in space glam again! 😂
DOGE Staffer here. This is DEI and you have to delete it.
I don’t really follow celebrity news, but I think the last time I heard about her she was praising Musk and her cybertruck. It seems she has been open about whose side she is on for a while now.
Bezos deserves most of it, but I think there’s more than just misogyny that has lead to this particular flight’s passengers receiving a lot more criticism than Shatner did. And it’s that Shatner was visibly moved by his experience and you could tell that he didn’t feel good about Bezos interrupting his attempts to share that, so Bezos could use him as a pawn.
The ladies on this flight seem to have been chosen and instructed specifically to give the most vapid shallow responses possible. And upon returning, that’s precisely what they delivered.
I think Perry is just vapid and shallow.
Her music isn’t even that bad. Its a pineapple-on-pizza thing.
That eye of the tiger or whatever song was straight trash though.
Roar, iirc.
In my opinion it was decent, but extremely overrated/overplayed.
She never called herself an astronaut. Fuck the rich and all but people here are just using this to excuse their misogyny.
Shame DOGE did not calculate the fuel load.
can’t relate
One minute is acceptable too.
As are solo flights.
One minute?! Jesus, you must run marathons with that stamina!
It’s hard to get my socks off.
did she call herself an astronaut or something?
edit: apparently not, people don’t like Katy Perry/women and are making things up to get angry about.
Gail King did
Edit: Gayle*
Gail King is the embodiment of everything I hate about liberals.
Laundering rhetoric works as well as laundering money for these people. Hand some spokesmodel a stack of queue cards that consist of a series of vile slurs, and the audience will just nod and say “I guess this is what normal people really think.”
Misogyny is insane.
Maybe it’s that. But I say fuck all space tourists because of the environmental impact and the zero gain for humanity. It’s up there with owning a million yachts.
Rage>facts… Something something…boobs… Something something
Varyk: asks simple yes or no question
You: here’s a 40 minute video explaining the whole story. It might answer your question, it might not.
Damn. Angela Collier getting downvotes? Wtf is wrong with all these people. There could not have been a more relevant and helpful response explaining the situation, especially in light of @[email protected]’ rather shallow question that seemed to indicate a lack of understanding of the full context here…
Again: Varyk asked about a single aspect (whether or not Katy Perry has called herself an astronaut) and got a 40 minute video about the whole thing. No text summary or indication of whether or not the actual question would be answered, just “watch this”
Sometimes people know about the general subject already, but just need conformation on a detail.
It’s very rarely good practice to answer surface level questions with links to long deep dive videos.
Even if the recipient WOULD like the full picture, an article is MUCH easier to skim or digest whenever you want to.
A video is a time commitment and 40 minutes is about 38 minutes past the maximum reasonable time to answer a quick question.
There could not have been a more relevant and helpful response explaining the situation
Relevant? Possibly. Helpful? For reasons explained above, nope. Not really.
in light of Varys’ rather shallow question that seemed to indicate a lack of understanding of the full context here…
You don’t know that. You just assumed that it was a rhetorical question meant to end discussion rather than an honest question meant to provide context on whether or not the meme itself is fair to Katy Perry. In assuming ignorance and bad faith, you’re being very unfair to Varys.
Btw, just in case they haven’t found out themselves, here’s an ACTUAL answer to the ACTUAL questoion:as far as I’ve been able to find out, she’s NOT self-identified as an astronaut.
While that’s not conclusive, it’s more than likely that a lot of people would comment on it if she did, so someone who knows how to look not finding anything in one eighth of the runtime of that video would make it highly improbable.
It’s exceedingly common for a question about one narrow thing to be an indicator of desire for knowledge about a broader topic. There was basically no reason to believe this wasn’t the case here, and the incredibly rude response from both of you to a user being helpful is really not a good look.
It’s exceedingly common for a question about one narrow thing to be an indicator of desire for knowledge about a broader topic
It’s MUCH more common for a question about one thing to be an indicator of desire for knowledge of just one thing.
There was basically no reason to believe this wasn’t the case here
Except for Occam’s Razor and, you know, how language works.
the incredibly rude response from both of you to a user being helpful is really not a good look.
You’re the one being incredibly rude by insisting that an illogical assumption was the only possible interpretation of a straightforward question and that pointing that out is somehow bad.
If I asked you if it’s raining, would you link me to a deep dive about evaporation and atmospheric pressure? Do you think that would be helpful?
You’re the one being incredibly rude by insisting that an illogical assumption was the only possible interpretation
No, I’m pushing back against how rude the two of you are being.
If you had just stayed silent because you weren’t even involved in this, and if the other user had given a polite “thanks, but I’m already aware of this and just wanted an answer to that one question”, things might have been different.
But that’s not what happened. You came in guns blazing, and so did they. Ironic, considering further down the thread they also made it very clear that they don’t already know the full context here.
“Huh? What are you even trying to say with this comment?”
a 40-minute video unrelated to my question is exceedingly unhelpful.
it’s good you guys are learning about vulnerable minorities, but it’s not news to everyone and not relevant everywhere.
Huh? What are you even trying to say with this comment?
"a 40-minute video unrelated to my question is exceedingly unhelpful.
it’s good you guys are learning about vulnerable minorities, but it’s not news to everyone and not relevant everywhere."
I’ll repeat, since you clearly didn’t get the point.
it’s good you guys are learning about vulnerable minorities, but it’s not news to everyone and not relevant everywhere
This here. This makes no sense. What the fuck are you trying to say with this? The parent comment made no indication to suggest that they didn’t know about vulnerable minorities. Quite different from your comment which did imply a lack of awareness of the context about why people would be upset at Katy Perry.
“I’ll repeat…”
it’s okay, i got it.
“this here…”
oh you aren’t repeating anything.
you’re going to try to explain yourself instead of repeating a vague question.
good idea.
“What the fuck are you trying to say with this?”
it’s good you guys are learning about vulnerable minorities, but it’s not news to everyone and not relevant everywhere
“The…[reply]…made no indication to suggest that they didn’t know about vulnerable minorities”
no it didn’t, where did you get the idea they don’t know about vulnerable minorities?
personally I’m very glad that, as I said, they are “are learning about vulnerable minorities”
“Quite different from your comment…”
Right…they had an unrelated answer to my comment…you are agreeing with me, but are trying to sound like you’re not agreeing.
should I pretend you are not agreeing with me here?
okay: harumph! you do not get it. let me explain! grr:
my comment was about how we shouldn’t be attacking someone for something they didn’t say, and my subsequent comment agreed that most of the other comments seem misogynistic(hostile towards women), which explains why people are attacking women.
so it’s weird that the reply was “quite different from my comment”, but not super uncommon on internet comment threads.
i asked “hey did this woman actually say what you guys are all attacking her for?”
the answer was “no, but it’s okay that we’re attacking this woman because other women are also getting attacked”.
I strongly disagree with that reasoning.
the answer was “no, but it’s okay that we’re attacking this woman because other women are also getting attacked”.
Ok. I did actually glance at the rest of your comment after writing that last one. The fact that you’ve written this indicates you clearly don’t understand the broader context, which is precisely what that video was supposed to help with. People are not attacking Katy Perry “because other women are also getting attacked”.
Go watch the video. Or read some of the other critiques that I’m sure have been written somewhere online. Help yourself learn why vapid “girlboss” capitalism is…not actually good for anyone, including women.
no it didn’t, where did you get the idea they don’t know about vulnerable minorities?
You. You made that baseless accusation against them. That’s the only way to interpret your comment.
At this point you’re just being a troll. Goodbye.
Someone was HEAVILY inspired by Contapoints’ videos.
afaik all the KP hate over this is misogyny in action.
Contributions of many women scientists are being wiped from NASA’s website and records due to the “purge of DEI” going on right now. I’m sure that there are women losing their jobs at NASA right now while it is being dismantled in favor of private companies.
It was an egregious expenditure of wealth that enriches a company belonging to Jeff fucking Bezos.
This launch was nothing groundbreaking. It didn’t push any scientific or “hardware” boundaries or make any discoveries. No experiments were done. Not even launching a sattelite, sending resources to/from ISS or anything useful to humanity. It was purely done for the PR bit, nothing more.
To me, this all reads like the abysmally tone deaf celebrities singing on youtube and complaining about how hard it was for them during the start of covid lockdowns. Except now for space flight.
Actual hate may be an extreme reaction, but exhaustion (a feeling of “so what”) and disgust I think is fair. And that’s more than enough reason to enjoy a stupid joke like this, despite the fact that they did go through some months of training for this (making them astronauts).
Incredibly little of my feelings about this has anything to do with Katy Perry.
katy perry hate has come in waves:
- hating her music because it was unchallenging and consumable (there’s other artists i’d hate for this long before her)
- hating her for standing up for rebecca black (this wave is pure misogyny)
- hating her because she broke up with russel brand (russel brand sucks, she should have never dated his garbage ass. i probably should have listed an item for she dated russel brand in the first place, but that wave is miniscule and insignificant)
- hating her because she cut her hair and she aged and that wasn’t sexy for some people (this is as far as i can tell the largest and most misogynistic wave)
- hating her for going back to doctor luke to try to recapture the popularity she had earlier in her career when he was her producer (this is the tempo i’m on. dr luke is ke$ha’s abuser and as far as i can tell is a serial predator)
- hating her because she’s acting as propaganda for one of the technoligarchs in our fascist regime (rather fair, i’d say, tbh)
I didn’t know she went back to Dr Luke. Well I hate her now too. If you are willing to work with a known piece of shit like that just for a buck, them you are garbage as well.
it’s pretty unforgivable if you ask me
I don’t HATE her but I’m about as sick of seeing her as Jimmy Fallon. She’s boring yet always in the spotlight.
I went from completely neutral to mild dislike at your second to last point. Not only is he a rapist, the album sucks. She’s out of touch in a genre that caters to the youth.
FWIW I have a remix of Cali Girls on my morning playlist. Also FWIW, 3/4 of my favorite artists are women
the thing i mostly wanted to capture is basically that there are valid reasons to want nothing to do with Katy Perry in the year 2025, but the largest bloc of anti-perry stans are in it for the wrong reasons, and there are other people we should be doing more more to strip of power. it’s basically… the only people we’re good at stripping of power as a society are minorities and women. i’m not saying we shouldn’t be stripping katy perry of power, but it does contrast with how many times john mayer and justin timberlake have done something shitty and been alowed to hang around. the mysoginy in this instance is less the hate, and more the hate in contrast with others
You’re not wrong but I do think there’s more nuance to it than that as other female celebrities don’t get nearly the hate she does.
Katy Perry represents the music industry. She is THE corporate artist, bland and inoffensive. She’s a good singer but not a unique or amazing one. She’s not all that popular anymore yet she’s constantly in the news (TBF, I probably follow music news closer than most).
Collaborating with with Dr. Luke on her new album made it clear that she’s just hollow. Whatever it takes to stay in the spotlight. It’s like getting Chris Brown to do a feature on your single.
I’m not sure John Mayer is a great example here as it’s been a long time since he even ran in the top 40 circle.
i listed john mayer because he’s up to even worse shit masquerading as an artist’s artist in the blues scene. but on the whole, yes. hating katy perry more than any other female artist is totally fair. but to hate her more than any other artist at all? i find that a little suspicious. and again. i’m in the swaths of katy perry haters. i hate her because she props up a mysoginistic system. but even i look around at the horde and go “guys, really? all this? for her?”
I don’t hate her but she had always been musically boring and generally uninteresting as a person. Pure basic but elevated by the hype machine. This is just another example of it.
If you have 41 minutes to spare, this rant from a theoretical physicist does a good job explaining why people react negatively to the publicity surrounding the space tourism launch.
A lot of it boils down to the fact that women have been instrumental in traditional space programs all along. Publicizing passengers on a tourism flight as if they are pushing boundaries is insulting to all the professionals who dedicated their careers to actually expanding boundaries. They aren’t even the first all women crew as claimed. Valentina Vladimirovna Tereshkova flew a solo mission on Vostok 6 in 1963
The media messaging on the flight has been terrible and regressive. Complaining about that isn’t misogynistic.
Agree. It’s the complaining on Katy Perry I referenced. By all means criticize all of it with actual arguments.
People focus on Katy Perry as representative of the whole stunt, because she has been portrayed as the main figure all along.
Pop star Katy Perry and five other women safely returned to Earth after reaching space aboard Jeff Bezos’s Blue Origin rocket. - BBC article immediately after the flight
They literally pulled a Katy Perry et al. Do you think that framing just happened without any input from KP and her publicists? Did Katy Perry use her ample airtime to credit all the female engineers that actually worked for years made the flight happen, or to correct notions about the flight not actually accomplishing any significant firsts? Katy Perry gladly took the center of the media spotlight, so naturally people use her image as emblematic when ridiculing the stunt. She is a vapid celebrity doing annoying celebrity messaging like “making space and science glam.”
“This is all for the benefit of Earth,” she added.
Katy Perry is an eager participant in the outrageous messaging around the flight. She earned the ridicule, not by being a woman, but by acting ridiculously.
Sp you fell for it then? Capitalists doing capitalist things (marketing) and just because they all identified as women you can’t be critical of the obvious nonsense at play here? Grow up.
They did not reach space.
They did not pilot.
They went on a rollercoaster ride.
Remember how there have been actual all women-identifying NASA crews? That’s REAL progress in equality. Or were you not born yet?
Exactly. Jeff Bezos financially supported and cosied up to the Trump administration, which has been erasing the names of accomplished women (and other minority groups) in their crusade against DEI. Katy Perry and the 5 others willingly participated in this publicity/propaganda stunt for Jeff Bezos.
They are collaborators of the Trump regime, which is very much anti-women.
They did reach space, as defined by a relatively arbitrary international agreement.
But yeah, passengers are not astronauts any more than I’m a pilot for buying a ticket on Air Asia to KLIA2.
arbitrary
Fair point! :)
The truth is, the definition has to be arbitrary. There’s no distinct point at which there suddenly goes from being atmosphere and therefore Earth to being no atmosphere and therefore space. The Kármán line is chosen because it is a nice round number roughly where aerodynamics stop being useful in planning spaceflight missions.
To play some devil’s avocado here, not every astronaut is a pilot. Some are just like, geologists.
The simplest difference I can think of is that astronauts go to space on a mission and actually work and do a job.
Yeah. That’s the whole point. Fair enough. The people on this commercial flight were there as a marketing tool not as a science tool.
At some point “astronaut” has to mean “did science in space” and not “bought a sightseeing ticket so a corporation could profit.”
I’m not a carnie because I spent 5 ride tickets on the coaster. Even if I buckled my own seatbelt.
What does that link show? Women have been in space since 1963.
It effectively refutes the “They did not reach space” comment, and also indicates how no one made fun of Alan Shepherd for “not having piloted” or “went on a rollercoaster ride”.
Did you read it?
Of course. The point is that this flight was nothing new or special. Especially with the makeup of the cohort of folks on it.
Stop pretending it’s anything more than what it is: marketing.
I think you completely misunderstand my original post. The trip is a non-story. The KP hate is still misogynistic.
Please don’t try to paint this as misogyny. Plenty of women are annoyed by this show of filth too
That’s the same argument as “I can’t be racist, I have a black friend”.
No, it’s the same argument as “plenty of black people (or whatever minority group is relevant) are mad at insert thing, so the hate isn’t as a rule racist”, which… also checks out.
You’re on fire
I’m sure there is plenty of misogyny, but she’s also just a trash person in general. There is the Perry act that’s getting put through because she was buying houses out from the elderly and then evicting them.
There’s no Aisha Bowe hate for a reason. She’s a rocket scientist for NASA. We ridiculed Bezos and his bros just as much.
oh, that’s a bummer.
sure seems plausible.
the other comments here are nnnot great.
Like, three minutes in one go? Not spread out over your lifetime?
To be fair, she never claimed to be an astronaut.
Also, the Jeff-Dildo isn’t capable of reaching the karman line, so she wasn’t in space either.
What makes you say that?
I’m in no way here to defend blue orgin, but the capsule does apogee “just above 100km”. It’s pretty clear getting above the karman line was their main goal.
If we’re gonna throw shade we gotta be accurate. Lets make fun of them for being suborbital and for making the most phallic launch vehicle ever.
In that case they seem to have actually upped their game because for a pretty long time they weren’t able to.
But yes, I’m all in favor of throwing shade, so we can if course make fun of the phallic shape. And in my book, astronauts have been in orbit.
It’s basically always been over 100km after some of the early test flights. It was explicitly a stated goal to cross the karman line as “making it to space.”
I think you’re thinking of when this same thing played out in the first manned flight. At the time some of the “better” arguments said the karman line is arbitrary and some other height was better. Or time in space. Or training. Or ability to control the ship. Or…
In the end, she’s been to space and these comments just seem petty to me.
An upvote isn’t enough, this is fucking funny.
If an upvote isnt enough, you can use lemmysilver (with ! at the start)
Wait what? How do I do that?
!LemmySilver
How is telling people about lemmysilver such a great method of getting votes
I have not made any posts since the bot got created, i have not tried to do or say anything to get votes, yet i am on the leaderboard
This is news to me! Thank you
She acted how a crash test dummy would if there were no crash.
Edit “like” to “how”.
wow, the rare double-cringe!
it wasn’t bad enough that she went to “space” - we also get to see edgy tate memes, too!
viva 2025!
Isn’t that rather self deprecating humor than misogynistic? The joke is essentially “if going to space for three minutes makes you an astronaut then getting it on with a woman for a solid three minutes makes me an expert on their anatomy”.
yeah, you’re right.
“and if my grandma had wheels, she’d be a fucking bicycle.”
Nobody can dictate what an astronaut is and isn’t. The FAA and NASA specifically wanted it to be this way so culture wars and shit posts like this wouldn’t happen. 😮💨 Idk why people forget that.
Do you get tired of being like this?
Do you get something from asking this open ended unanswerable question? Are you intending to invoke some sort of internal dialog within me? Or do you mean to imply that there’s inherently some value in this senseless article and argument that is so true that both I and the very inventors of the term and field of science are both wrong for acknowledging the senselessness of gate keeping in this way? Your question only spawns more, none of them particularly worth asking but I do find occasionally myself with an abundance of wasteable time whilst I oversee progress bars.
Yes, going to space for even one minute makes you an astronaut. Maybe not a very good astronaut, but one nevertheless.
Only in the sense that taking an ocean cruise makes you a sailor. She’s not an astronaut, she’s a tourist.
