Tokyo
I just need to carry my hang glider and sailboat :(
> mfw I live in Walkable city > want to walk around in it > walkway is a fucking tiny narrow corridor of concrete > be forced to walk between congested car traffic and escooters, with no pedestrian crossings anywhere > get run over by some clueless skateboarderMy city is super walkable with great walking and biking infrastructure. Still get run over by some fuck on a bicycle or escooter on the sidewalk or zebra crossing.
I got hit by a car recently crossing a street. I’d rather get hit by an escooter.
Oh absolutely. Far less likely though*, since car drivers actually have accountability here. As soon as there’s no fear of punishment, ppl will be assholes. I’d rather people don’t be assholes. Also, one sidewalk cyclist broke my glasses and I couldn’t afford new ones, another one hit me on a way where my hip still creaks years later. So again, I’d just rather every participant in traffic abides by the rules and doesn’t endanger others, even if the danger isn’t life threatening.
Judging by the ghost bikes, shoes, walkers, etc, that I see around me, accountability doesn’t prevent cars from hitting pedestrians either :(
They even have a crime called “vehicular manslaughter” because juries weren’t willing to hold drivers accountable for the wrongful death of others without a much reduced penalty…
I agree everyone should be held accountable, including traffic engineers.
Agreed.
- Slower
- Squishier
just one more lane bro. I promise bro just one more lane and it’ll fix everything bro. bro, just one more lane. please just one more, one more lane and we can fix this whole problem bro, bro cmon just give me one more lane i promise bro, bro bro please ! just need one more lane
What about adding a lane?
We’ve already added a lane.
Yes, but what about a second lane?
I don’t think he’s ever tried adding a second lane, Pippin.
You know what would actually fix traffic? TRAINS
Upvoted for Alan Fischer reference in the wild. His bits go so much harder than pretty much anyone else in urbanist youtube
Compromise: Steam trains.
Nyen nyen
This is probably one of the top ten most incredibly based pictures ever. I love it. Thank you for brightening my day, OP
I’m going to bike to a restaurant in 15 minutes after work today, maps says it takes cars 30 :)
My favourite thing to do is ‘race’ the person who offers me a ride home all the time. Like, I appreciate the offer but trust me, I will be home before you could get me there AND I’ll get to enjoy the sunshine.
don’t forget the 15 minutes looking for a parking spot and 10 minutes walking from the parking spot to the restaurant
Met my coworkers after work yesterday. 21 minute bike or car ride by the GPS. By the time they parked downtown it was 35 mins, meanwhile I shaved a minute off the GPS :) feels goooood
Shortcuts too narrow for SUVs? :)
Needs trees.
While, yes, it does, urban and suburban sprawl is far, far worse for trees. Go to your local Wal Mart super center and, not counting the garden center, tell me how many trees there are per acre in the parking lot. Now multiply that by every big box store and mile of stroad and highway.
All those escooters getting in the way of my walking.
Hey! I’m walking here.
All those walkers getting in the way of my escootering.
Hey! I’m escootering here.
Bought an eBike last weekend because I’d rather be soaked by rain than sitting in traffic to/from work. It feels damn good to finally be the person in an otherwise empty bike lane, passing countless cars that are going nowhere.
otherwise empty bike lane
Over here in New York, everyone got an e-bike and now we get bike jams in the bike lane during commute hour. Dunno how I should feel about it. Aladeen? :(: Still faster than a car for sure.
Party on, party on!
I love my ebike.
I’ve been big into bikes forever, but the ebike just makes it super convenient to bike to work.
hwo do I get to walkable city and live there
Check out Strong Towns. They’re a policy advocacy group that’s focused on helping people influence policy at the local level to make their towns livable again. I’m a part of my local strong towns group, and they’re absolutely great. We’re getting the ball rolling, organizing with other local activist groups, meeting with local politicians to understand our local challenges better, and all while receiving a lot of support from the mother ship organization. Meanwhile, our town isn’t some metropolis, it’s only 90,000 people.
If that isn’t your thing, just start going to city council or county board of supervisor meetings and start making public comments there. It’s a good way to meet with other policy advocates in your community and start networking with them.
Stop making it a life-goal to go 1.5 million dollars in debt to own a stucco home in a vast ocean of identical stucco homes and maybe buy some property by a small town and sacrifice the luxury of convenience and being able to get doordash whenever you want and instead have a little garden or something.
If the market decided that living in suburban hell wasn’t profitable anymore, they would stop paving over vast tracts of land to unroll a sea of terracotta roofs as far as you can see like a rolling ocean of crippling debt and HOA fines.
- Buying a property outside a small town defeats the purpose of being in a walkable city, no?
- Why are you assuming I want to live in a “stucco house”, or a single family home, at all?
- Why are you assuming I order doorfash, and dont have a garden (I do have a garden, and I have never ordered from doorfash.)
you dont have to assume the worst all the time fella. this is lemmy, not twitter.
sacrifice the luxury of convenience and being able to get doordash whenever you want
Not necessary. I live in Manhattan and the street canyons are full of doordasher ebikes, and grocery store isles are jammed with instacarter trailer carts which they then hitch up to more ebikes.
Just have to be European. Live on the south coast in the UK and life is so easy here.
Walking.
that solves the first part if I walk for like 4 days, but how do I live there short of being homeless?
I was going to type out a reply, but conditional_soup already said everything worth saying.
Ah. Well, the problem is that we’ve made building new housing units nearly impossible through decades of unforced errors at the local level in nearly all of our cities, as well as bullshit ass zoning. It’s not even remotely impossible to undo, but a lot of people don’t recognize it as the root of the problem. Again, check out Strong Towns, we’re working to walk these errors back and make our cities places that are built for people again.
- With regards to zoning, nobody in their right mind is asking to let DuPont put a rocket fuel factory next to an elementary school. Many zoning codes have really terrible and not evidence based practices codified, such as enforcing single family housing sprawl, ensuring that you MUST drive to go buy a loaf of bread, and requiring outrageous parking requirements often 2-3x over what’s needed in practice.
Thanks, I’ll look and see if theres a local chapter in my area. Ive been meaning to get more involved in local politics, its just hard to find a comfortable group of people to get in with in my experience. Would love to find out I can actually join people in something meaningful :)
Yeah, do it! Speaking from personal experience, it can be a little scary at first, but it’s not even a tenth as bad as you think. It’s actually a surprisingly social experience.
Do you know anything about starting a local chapter? The closest one to me is 2 hours away :(
https://actionlab.strongtowns.org/hc/en-us/categories/360004233911-Local-Conversations
You are not required to be a member to start a chapter, and from all that I’ve seen, they’re very supportive of you send an email asking for guidance. I would start by going to local city councils or board of supervisor meetings, put flyers up at the library and small coffee shops or anywhere else you can put up flyers, and start holding regular meetings at least once a month
The world is changing and so can yours. Ten years ago tourists were always shooting videos of people biking to work. Today it’s (somewhat) normal to them. Look at Paris.
Thanks for sharing, made me grin not gonna lie
Motorists hate this one simple trick
Nah, cars certainly have their place, just a bike or scooter is way better downtown :)
That’s supposed to be the consensus of the “fuck cars” movement, but the name certainly gives the impression of being completely against cars. When your eyes are opened to how car-centric infrastructure has taken over our societies it’s hard not to be a bit reactive.
Unfortunately, every time I see something from that community it’s just vehicular hate-jerking
It was more focused in the beginning, but I left them a while ago because it did become derailed as it grew. Reddit was never great at nuance.
Bingo, though the r*ddit fuckcars certainly took the name literally which has given the one here something of an inherited reputation to shake free of.
I love cars and would likely continue to own them even if I no longer needed them day to day. That’s vilified on the other site but seems fine here, as it should be.
Yeah, that’s why I blocked that subreddit. The car hate was too much. Not like I can load up my partner, my two kids in a car seats with two Labradors on a bike. Especially in a major city that can get a ton of snow in winter. Also we do long trips from Colorado to Upstate NY once or twice a year.
We do our part biking or walking when we can. Will be super excited when my little one can ride a bike
Cargo bikes are great for kids too, you can see it in their faces as it brightens up with all the new things they get to interact with instead of being bored in the back of the car
Snow is such a huge obstacle to bicycles, that’s why you only get bicycle culture in warm and sunny places, like Norway.
the r*ddit fuckcars certainly took the name literally
But it didn’t? It would regularly get people who are into their project cars or whatever come in and people would be quite friendly. Because the vast majority of that subreddit understood that the point of the movement is about systemic change and car culture, not about individual cars.
Very anecdotal I know, but that certainly wasn’t my experience, I’d regularly see near-militant comments to anything even remotely suggesting cars had a place, as well as outright trolling or brigading of other subs. If I was just unlucky that’s cool, but it did seem pretty consistent.
I’d regularly see near-militant comments to anything even remotely suggesting cars had a place
That tends to be pushback against anyone saying their specific use case requires a car, rather than saying nobody should be allowed to like cars as a hobby.
Yet the actual movement can be very extreme in their messaging.
I love bikes, I’ve spent my youth on them. But that place is just bunch of sad cunts circle jerking 80% of the time.
Its what antiwork And all these other type of places always ends up being… The most passionate drive out the by standers.
At least the mod on Lemmy is more pro active but does leave posts on…
Its what antiwork And all these other type of places always ends up being… The most passionate drive out the by standers.
Antiwork was founded by someone who genuinely wants to not have a job at all, and they got kicked out by a bunch of moderates who took over the community with milder messaging.
Unpopular opinion, but I think people should be able to choose not to work even if they weren’t born rich. Certainly, they should expect a lower standard of living, but they should be able to live just fine and not have that ability held hostage to force them into labor.
Well, it’s a little more than just “bike or scooter is way better downtown”. It’s that car-centric infrastructure as a whole makes biking or walking dangerous and inconvenient, and public transport expensive and inconvenient. It’s that the sharp divide between “downtown” and “the suburbs” which means that a statement like @[email protected]’s, which sort of implies “bikes are great downtown, but cars are better elsewhere” (even if godric didn’t intend that, it’s certainly a valid way to interpret their comment) is making an allowance for cars that things should be designed for them elsewhere, when actually trams and bikes worked great in small towns before we started designing everything for cars.
Yeah, but fuckcars is also a venting space so I didn’t want to get into technicalities. There are urbanist communities that do a better job of presenting the bigger picture.
Nah cars are fucking awesome it’s just that they’ve taken over.
it’s just that they’ve taken over
Like a lot of movements, fuck cars is named partly to grab attention. If you take the name literally, you get a misleading impression. A more accurate name would be “fuck car culture” or “fuck car-centric design” or “fuck motornormativity”. But those aren’t nearly as catchy.
If you take the name literally, you get a misleading impression.
I would say if you take the name “fuck cars” literally you get a way different impression.
Does !dragonsfuckingcars exist here?
Be happy that you can use an e-scooter or bike. Imagine being unable to use such a device, crappy public transport, and that in a city that cuts off cars…
IIRC this often comes up and actually removing cars generally helps people with disabilities. Sure you may always have a few exceptions, but disabled parking can still exist while everyone that is able bodied can walk.
The problem is that it does not remove cars in that city. People still need to get to work, and public transport is so bad, it is hardly an alternative.
The mayoress simply f-cks up car traffic, only marginally improves bike traffic, and public transport (busses) have been victims of cutting into car traffic, too.
Better make a big detour around that place.
Most people I know work within a distance they could easily cycle. All of them go to shops that could easily be cycled to. Yet they all drive pretty much every time.
It’s not so much about eliminating all cars, but discouraging their use for so much. Most people drive even if it’s less than a mile. My partner is often surprised at how quickly I can cycle to the shops and back, well yeah I didn’t have to wait in traffic of course it’s faster. Would be even faster if I had an ebike, probably, not sure how fast I can cycle compared to the 15mph ebike limit. I know I can sprint well into the upper 20s but sustained speed will be a lot less than that.
Back when I studied in that city, I did commute by bike, 20km each way, and was much faster than public transport. I am happy that I only have business there two or three times a year.
Simply have good public transport
I would not mind. In the mean time, I skip that city and actually drive to the next city over and use their tram to get to the city center. Even though it is much farther, it is still quicker.
me when I cycle to school on rush hour instead of picking the car (I know I’ll be stuck if I do)
make the overhead train a 12 lane freeway and it’s any random metrohell in texas. paths right next to frontage roads, a mile+ walk just to get from one side of the freeway to the other–safely.
