I see a lot of well-meaning support for this. I can’t help but think there has to be a way to implement these kinds of controls without taking power away from the user.
Like the Fediverse implementing better mod tools rather than expecting Twitter to effectively moderate the internet.
But don’t worry, folks in the free world, this won’t apply to you! Douyin (Tiktok in China) may restrict what kids see, but Tiktok abroad will still serve up to your tween daughter videos that tell her if she isn’t pretty enough, she might as well kill herself.
Parents can invoke minors mode with a single click and set usage time limits. Devices set to minors mode will even remind users to take breaks, and collect stats so parents can make sure their offspring are surfing the web in an age-appropriate and socialist fashion.
This sounds awesome. This isn’t the weird shit like some states in the US have for determining if you can log into porn, or South Koreas weird government-login-page-in-everything scheme, it’s part of the parent’s family plan for their kid they can turn on/off.
I realize there’s worrying undertones (that already exist on the Chinese internet regardless) but the actual feature as-is seems like the ideal for this sort of thing.
Looking up more information about this I found a much less sensationalized analysis on this from the UofC:
I could have sworn that a few months ago it was on the news that the government restricted all online stuff like video games, to only a few hours a week or something for minors?
I think that was the draft proposal for this.
But who is collecting the stats?
Here are my issues with this:
- The service needs to know if it’s a minor or adult
- Service needs to put that data somewhere, and I highly doubt it’s on the user’s machine
- There’s no way this isn’t tied to the user’s identity
There are internet filters you can buy already that the user controls. Why not just use that?
there are internet filters you can buy
Seems like that’s exactly what this is, it’s a mode that you turn on on the phone and it uses a government supplied list of vetted websites for the kid to visit.
Interestingly the way this feature set reads out is exactly the same way that Nintendo’s parental controls work.
I realize that this being the Chinese government, them keeping usage stats has connotations that go beyond the data itself… But in a country with a more liberal government I’d rather have them keep records of my kids’ internet usage than a private company. The idea being that you can pass protections around that data. (Not that that seems to be stopping the current US government so maybe that’s a pipe dream).
Ideal is, of course, completely on your own hardware (the device or your server at home), but between this and a system where Apple/Google/Nintendo does all this instead I’d prefer the government method.
government supplied list
Does the government know which sites users attempted to access? Or is it strictly a static list with everything handled on the device?
But in a country with a more liberal government I’d rather have them keep records of my kids’ internet usage than a private company.
I’d rather neither. Why does the supplier need usage stats? Just provide a list and keep it at that, with an option to request a site be allowed through (that obviously would go to the supplier).
But maybe that’s me in the US speaking. I don’t trust my government with that information, and I also don’t trust countries I visit to have that info either.
between this and a system where Apple/Google/Nintendo does all this instead I’d prefer the government method.
I don’t really have a preference since I reject both as unacceptable. I prefer my approach: no filters, and I only provide access to devices if I trust my kids to follow the rules, and if I catch them breaking the rules, they lose access to the device.
Sounds like screentime.
What’s a screentime?
Is that an app or what?
This isn’t the weird shit like some states in the US have for determining if you can log into porn
Age gating porn doesn’t sound very weird to me. Methods can be pretty shit though
so parents can make sure their offspring are surfing the web in an age-appropriate and socialist fashion
Imagine if the US did this lmao
US can’t even pass a federal data privacy law
They probably saw the Russian culture war brain rot play out with American youth and decided to have a circuit breaker.
Behind the Bastards has an episode about how YouTube went right wing to create site engagement and an anger economy, and an episode about Facebook doing thr same for boomers.
Some governments are looking into limiting those influences.
EDIT: oh yeah, China might also be protecting children from hearing about the periodic stabbing attacks that happen at schools over there. Forgot about those.
The rest of the world needs to learn from the US’s failure like this ASAP. I think Europe might already be doomed judging by the way the UK and Germany are going, but others might be able to swerve to avoid a fascist future with the right moves.
It’s not only the US that got hit by that russian campaign to mess with youths and even younger children. Europe for its fair share as well. It also plays into their “oh look at the degenerate west” playbook perfectly.
They’re responsible for so much damage that I have no idea how it’ll end. Not even children with tech savvy parents are immune, as I can attest to myself.
It’s important as fuck to have discussions about bad content to children ass soon as they get any kind of screen available to them, and it should never ever be a babysitter unless it’s under controlled circumstances.
It’s also a good idea to start teaching your children how any tech they use works and what happens under the hood if they’re interested. They’re certainly less likely to get influenced by any bad actors if they know what’s what.
They already have the GFW and state control of the media.
Fuck this
I completely agree Internet should be regulated especially for children. Should be done in Europe as well. But of course this regulation should not be misused for propaganda.
Parents need to do their fucking jobs and keep their shithead kids out of my business.
Not to mention parents staying the fuck out of other parent’s business.
Don’t bring state violence down on other people because you don’t want to watch your own damn kids.
I can’t take seriously articles about the Internet that don’t even capitalize “Internet” correctly.
‘The Internet.’ You are almost correct, an internet is a descriptor of two or more interconnected networks. The Internet is a proper noun which should actually be capital ‘T’ he capital ‘I’ nternet. You have “an internet” like ‘a universe’ and ‘The Internet’ like ‘The Universe.’
I’ve been on the internet since like 1992 and I’ve never once capitalized it, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen it capitalized. shrug
Why would it be capitalized? There’s only a few words in the English language, that are capitalized. And “internet” isn’t one of them, as it’s just a normal noun.
an internet is a descriptor of two or more interconnected networks. The Internet is a proper noun which should actually be capital ‘T’ he capital ‘I’ nternet. You have “an internet” like ‘a universe’ and ‘The Internet’ like ‘The Universe.’
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalization_of_Internet
The direction of travel is towards “internet” (lowercase), but pedants gonna pedant.
I suspect it could be seen as a proper noun.
If Acme and FooCorp create a bridge between their private network spaces, it’s an internet (common noun) but not the Internet (proper noun, referring to the one with Goatse).
Let’s find an English teacher. And yell at them for forcing us to read the same terrible novel in both 10th and 12th grades. Maybe after that, return to this subject.
You and I are posting on the Fediverse right now (capital F). If I create two of my own personal Lemmy instances that only federate with each other, they’re not a part of the Fediverse. I’ve now created my own fediverse (lower-case F). The Fediverse is a fediverse, but not all fediverses are the Fediverse.
Same with internet and Internet. There is the main, collective Internet that we all know and use daily, but it’s one of many internets.
Thank you.
