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Sounds like fake ass bullshit to me.
Free Luigi yall ain’t got shit no video footage nothing.
“He has read 300 books!!!” Is all i see from clowns supporting this regime.
Luigi is innocent. He did not kill Brian Thompson. He is a hero by the simple virtue that he is an innocent young man who was dragged through hell over something he didn’t do and is having his life put on the line.
As for who actually did it. I hope he lives a long, quiet life.
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Plot twist: good guy policewoman deliberately makes it impossible to prosecute Luigi.
Goes to show how much this isn’t about Luigi, or even Brian Thompson. It’s about the elite sending a message to the other 99%. Think, even if their case against Luigi is rocky at best, all that matters is they can get him to pay for Brian, regardless of whether he did it or not, or where the evidence points.
All that matters is that we the “peasants” get the underlying message:
- If you kill/harm an elite they’ll chase you and make you pay with the full weight of their resources (and emphasis on “resources”, not necessarily “law”).
- If you did not kill or harm an elite you’re still at risk, because then they’ll choose a “peasant” scapegoat to pay anyway.
All that matters is that they get to take their pound of flesh, and that the “peasantry” gets discouraged to fight for their rights as the elite takes, and takes and takes.
Which is why it’s so important that regardless of Luigi having done it or not, he should walk free unless there’s solid, undeniable evidence of him doing it, like an actual and verified non-deepfake video of the assassination with his clear face on it. And even then he must only face the consequences the law demands, and what others would face in his place for killing the everyday average Joe. The fact that the life lost was an elite should have no bearing on the consequences.
Luigi was framed.
Christ, imagine if he really was set up after all this?
Or that the charges don’t stick?
People have been saying since he was announced as a suspect that he didn’t look like the shooter that appeared on the cameras. He sort of looks like him but it’s really not that clear cut that it’s definitely him
Also it couldn’t have been Luigi, he has an alibi. We were hanging out that day.
Mm that’s weird I definitely remember him being at my dad’s birthday party
yeah don’t you remember? you, me, [email protected], and Luigi were all at your dad’s birthday party since the night before, we even helped get it set up.
How could he have planned a murder if we were so busy setting up the balloons and signs? That party took days of prep work.
yeah fellas sorry i just kinda crashed immediately after the candles were blown out x.x; and Luigi worked even harder than I did, up and down the ladder hanging all the streamers… bro has such an eye for decorating though, right?!
hey btw [email protected] did your dad ever get around to enjoying that steakhouse giftcard we got him?
That does sound like Luigi, always willing to lend a helping hand.
I saw him at the McD in Tønsberg (Norway) at the time…
Funny, I was staying at the same hostel and told him where the closest McD is
Even if he’s really the shooter, imagine if they cannot prove it’s him because it would showcase the immense dystopian surveillance tech everywhere in the US. So they had to pretend they got an anonymous call and plant evidence instead.
Evidence laundering
The good faith exception is such bullshit.
I don’t get a good faith exception if I truly thought that the speed limit was actually 75 instead of 55, even if my phone and car told me that was the case.
It doesn’t even make sense to me in a mental gymnastics way, like, just because I tried hard and was honest, doesn’t make a warrant any more or less valid.
don’t get a good faith exception if I truly thought that the speed limit was actually 75 instead of 55
If you have a decent lawyer this is possible I’m pretty sure. Essentially the wealthy do get a good faith exception.
There’s an income level that lets you do “weekend jail” on your fifth DUI.
If you are Sarah Stitt, wife of Oklahoma’s Governor, you won’t even get the DUI. Just stumble drunkenly out of that state vehicle (which you aren’t supposed to be using, but you’ve got the Republican princess pass), insist that you are married to the Governor, and they won’t even charge you!
If the defence can create enough doubt that the gun was his, I doubt they have a case otherwise.
Especially considering the jury may well be quite sympathetic to him.
If they can prove the search was illegal, they can throw out the backpack evidence entirely.
That’s only if the judge isn’t in on it
Tbf just because he had a gun on him doesn’t mean he was the shooter. I have a gun on me, am I the shooter Greg? Plenty people have guns, and it’s even legal to have a 3d printed gun, and even if he was concealed carrying without a permit, “so?”
“Of course he has a gun. This is Texas, everybody has a gun. My florist has a gun!”
I presume they tested it to confirm it was the murder weapon?
Kinda, yeah if the barrel and striker matches up that’ll be tough to beat. That could be easily thwarted though by running a rough brush, or changing the barrel with another one, and changing the striker, and if he’s worth his salt he ditched those before he even left the city. And even a match isn’t necessarily 100% proof it’s the gun, just like 99.999% lol.
Honestly, I do think it was him, personally. Just playing devils advocate.
If he was as smart as you think, the gun would have been broken apart and the individual pieces dumped in a series of rubbish bins.
Having a 3D printed gun on you isn’t something most people do though, so it’s not a good look.
Depends where, in a few states they are illegal but in a good few more it’s actually 100% fine as long as you don’t also have drugs. Doubly so if: white. “Italian” (whether he is or not he’d pass in my area) is white enough. P80s are more common, but same concept.
Especially considering the jury may well be quite sympathetic to him.
I think people on the internet vastly overestimate how sympathetic a jury will be.
Probably, but isn’t the healthcare system pretty much universally despised in the states?
Sure, but not as much as straight up murder.
manslaughter at best. Or would be in a place where laws weren’t made for the wealthy.
That’s honestly been my opinion the whole fucking time.
He also allegedly had the manifesto with him, which makes no sense. Basically they just said “We randomly got a tip for this guy at mc donalds and he happened to have all possible pieces of evidence on him days after making a clean get away” mmm yeeah sure…
And ‘oh, by the way’, we botched the arrest and search and there are some real questions about chain of custody, the search itself, and the evidence. Then there’s the
ease(edit: ‘eaves’) dropping on his privileged communication with his attorney… clown show over here.Btw, it’s “Eavesdropping”.
An eavesdropper was someone who would hang from the eave of a building so as to hear what is said within.
I ain’t been droppin no eaves sir, honest. I was just cutting the grass under the window there if you’ll follow me
My pragmatic theory:
- He is the guy (I’m not saying it’s a bad thing)
- The “anonymous tip” was rather “illegal surveillance/tech us plebs don’t know about”
- Police found the gun and manifesto in NYC, and they planted it on him to ensure an easier conviction
Oof I hate that that is plausible as fuck
Here’s another thought. Some of the cops also support the action and intentionally botch evidence custody.
And it would’ve been so much easier to plant the stuff at his house while he was being taken. Except that would have required a small amount of thinking.
In addition to the rest, from the beginning Luigi himself claimed that there was money and other items in the bag that was not put there by him. This latest development appears consistent with that.
Wow. That is just unbelievably sketch.
An incompetent pinjob
At this point the funniest thing would be if the real assassin was to take down another healthcare CEO.
Someone, can’t remember who…so if it’s you (not necessarily you OP, a general you) put your hand up, in a different Luigi thread a month or so ago had a pet theory that I think probably holds a reasonable amount of water.
The theory is that that CEO was knocked off by a paid hitman, possibly contracted by his spouse, and Luigi happened to be picked up as a scapegoat because the NYPD, or the arresting officer, was complicit/paid off a tidy sum.
With this coming up, it’s even less of an unlikely scenario.
Why would the hitman engrave the bullets? If they’re picking a plausible scapegoat with severe medical issues, then why one that’s young rich and handsome?
to make it look like an ideological hit job.
But then why one that’s young rich and handsome?
The police chose the actual suspect. not whoever planned the hit
because mcdonald’s called and said “there’s a homeless guy here that looks like the assassin”.
if you distribute a wanted picture like that, i’m sure there will be tons of false identification…
more importantly, in a court of law, illegal searches matter… whether or not @[email protected] thinks he’s probably guilty or not.
Oh I think he’s definitely not guilty. I’m just not sure if he did it.
sounds like reasonable doubt to me
But why male models?
Man, I never said the theory was…dare I say… bulletproof? 🤓
Buuuuuut…if all the evidence was planted? Look, the “manifesto”, the engraved bullets, the whole thing is a cop’s wet dream. I’m willing to believe Luigi is in fact the triggerman, willing to believe that he’s unhinged enough to have toted all that about with him. You gotta think though…the NYPD were frothing, Altoona PD are under staffed, under paid. Not outside the realm of possibility it’s a frame job.
Just a tinfoil hat theory that I thought was…fun? Not really the best word for it, but fits well enough.
The theory is that that CEO was knocked off by a paid hitman, possibly contracted by his spouse, and Luigi happened to be picked up as a scapegoat because the NYPD, or the arresting officer, was complicit/paid off a tidy sum.
This would be a better theory if Luigi had a serious alibi. Also, if he wasn’t tied up with the Silicon Valley Longtermist movement, which has already produced a number of more low-profile killings.
I wouldn’t discount the pet theory, because it does sound like the kind of shit mega-millionaires get up to. But the NYPD picking up this guy specifically, where and when they did, with no credible counternarrative as to where he was at the time of the killing, makes me strongly suspect they have the right guy. But - like with the OJ Brown-Simpson murder - they’ve got such a clown car of detectives and a grandstanding mayor and self-insert celebrity journalists and prosecutors promoting the case as spectacle that they’re going to completely fuck this thing at trial.
If he wins the criminal case but loses a far more professionally executed civil “wrongful death” case a few years later, I would not be surprised in the slightest.
Does it have to be healthcare? I mean, there are some other candidates to consider
Starting with almost every single billionaire.
All good options.
I would argue that while billionaires are stealing your money, healthcare CEOs are taking lives, which is more important in my mind.
Which isn’t to say that billionaires don’t deserve the same treatment, this is just prioritization for the most benefit in the shortest amount of time… Long term, a lot more heads need to roll.
Both is the correct answer.
I’m just putting an emphasis on the healthcare industrial machine in the USA because it’s causing more acute harm to the people of the USA than anyone else.
Hard to amass billions without taking lives in some form.
I won’t disagree. Most billionaires are at least indirectly responsible for significant harm and loss of life. Whether they support, endorse or profit from inhumane, cruel and exploitative business practices, such as we see in the cobalt mines of the Congo, or other mineral mines whether for diamonds, lithium, or whatever…
Or they are profiting or directly befitting from people who are underpaid, and eventually, because of corporate profiteering, forced into poverty and they die because they are unable to afford to live… Or they are denying people life saving pharmaceuticals though supporting or profiting from the drug industry, or ownership therein (in whole or in part)…
Or they’re more directly responsible for harm by being an active voice in, or in support of, denying, deposing, and delaying, anything that might reduce a companies profits, especially healthcare companies.
The reality of it is: when you achieve a certain level of monetary wealth, your money is invested. Frequently those investments support something that doesn’t causes harm and death to your fellow humans.
Therefore: anyone with sufficient wealth to warrant investments, is almost always, someone endorsing, supporting, or profiting from the pain, suffering, and deaths, of other people. QED: all billionaires are evil, mass murdering pieces of shit, who should be strung up and quartered in the town square. I will settle for seeing their heads roll.
Where did I put my guillotine?
You put it so eloquently, thank you. We sadly haven’t even been able to find our collective pitchforks yet…
P.S. I think you accidentally put a “doesn’t” in the last line of “The reality of it is:”
Ty for the heads up. Cheers!
Almost
Now I’m intrigued. Which billionaires should we spare and why?
I mean, Taylor Swift recently crossed the line and she’s been incredibly generous with it. So has Bezos’ ex-wife.
Does the work done at the Gates Foundation get them a pass?
Is there really “no such thing as an ethical billionaire”? Should there be no exceptions?
It would be very difficult to describe what Taylor has done as anything unethical at all let alone deserving to be killed. She’s genuinely worked hard since she was a teenager to be where she is, writes her own music, pays the people working for her very well, donates to charity etc.
What more do you want?
You son of a bitch, I’m in
So they not only have to find 12 people who haven’t been fucked personally or had friends family fucked by their health insurance, now those 12 people have to be blind Pig supporters?
Anything other than a not guilty (or some insanely strong evidence with a perfect chain of custody) verdict for this guy and the fix is in.
If they convict Luigi get the fuck out while you still can, cause the alternative is guerilla warfare against the Gilead states of orange stupidity.
Jokes aside, I honestly don’t know if he’s the guy.
What I do know, is if this part is true, that should be enough to put doubt into the “beyond a reasonable doubt” part in the jury.
I just point blank don’t believe he did it.
Let’s say I kill a high profile individual on the street you know, hypothetically.
Do you seriously believe that I’d be casually hanging out in public at a McDonalds with a manifesto and loaded gun in my bag? I’m pretty sure that my first port of call if I was assassinating someone would be “Burn all the evidence in an alleyway somewhere, get new clothes on, and lay low for pretty much the rest of my fucking life, possibly in Mexico”
Not only that, Luigi’s fake ID which he did not use in an illegal way any known time was not linked with the shooting, just linked to a NY hostel.
Also Luigi was not marandised, hes also charged in NY, Pennsylvania and federally at the same time, double (triple?) jeopardy
And his bags were searched without him being able to see the search, which puts into question the search, but they didn’t find any gun or manifesto at that time. 6 hours later, they did find a gun and a manifesto after being contact with NYPD. And the paper work for this evidence is also not properly filed. In addition the inventory of his belonging was also not descriptive.
He was arrested by a rookie cop that didn’t get help from a supervisor to avoid mistakes either, lots of adrenaline in a huge profile case like this. He said he knew right away that this was the killer, and he had only the propaganda NYPD had posted to the media. And NYPD didn’t know who the killer was
I dont know how long it took, but it took well over 100 days before the defence was able to even see the evidence against him. A huge red flag that the prosecution dont think the evidence holds water. And when they did get it, it was terabytes of data, and Luigi wasn’t allowed to use a computer without hus lawyer present, blocking him from seeing what weaksauce they have against him
The aid to the prosecutor also listened in, they say it was an accident to a whole telephone conversation with Luigi and the lawyer, how is this even possible. The prosecutor rebuked him self from the case after they were caught doing this, so they do a new prosecutor
The feds even call for the death penalty before Luigi is even indited, let alone convinced.
I’m just very skeptical this is the shooter, why would they screw up everything so bad every step on puropuse like this. Its just a hail Mary that the judge who is married to a CEO will convict anyway
"Burn all the evidence in an alleyway somewhere, get new clothes on
Luigi in the released CCTV photography is already wearing different clothes to the shooter. Not very different though.
Bit strange to change clothes and backpack but keep the same styling and colors.
Yeah, the real shooter is probably in the woods somewhere barely surviving off what they can find. At least, that’s more reasonable than doing a high profile assassination and going to McDonalds for a burger after (I know it was days later, it’s hyperbole).
Yeah, the real shooter is probably in the woods somewhere barely surviving off what they can find.
…it’s mushrooms. Which is just super.
and you think my manifesto would start praising with how amazing the cops are and we need to thank them, and we should not rise up?
That’s the problem though. Everyone’s playing “If I were him”.
The thing is, we don’t know what was going on his mind. Say he actually was the one who did it. Maybe he wanted to get caught. Maybe he assumed he was going to get caught within minutes, and didn’t bother throwing away the evidence because he didn’t think there was any point. Maybe he kept changing his mind about what he was going to do, and in the end that indecision caught up with him.
Assuming he’s actually the one who shot the CEO, I already have trouble understanding his thinking. He shot a guy in cold blood who may have been scummy, but hadn’t actually hurt Mangione or anybody he cared about, AFAIK. He didn’t do it as part of a community. I know he’s not a mass shooter, but shooting a stranger for ideological reasons is most similar to mass shooters or bombers. Most of the times people do that, they’re egged on by a community. He apparently just did it on his own.
So yeah, I don’t get it, but the fact I don’t get it doesn’t convince me it can’t be true.
doesn’t convince me it can’t be true
That sounds like backwards logic - you’re postulating guilt based on the lack of evidence of innocence (if I’m understanding your point correctly.
You’re not. I’m not saying he’s guilty. I’m just saying that it’s silly to imply there’s a conspiracy or something just because some of his alleged actions seem abnormal, when cherry-picking which of his actions you’re looking at.
this sounds like lots of maybes that does covering, where there is talk of plenty of reasonable doubt. We are saying we are confused and there is reasonable doubt, sure you could be correct, but thats some mental gymnastics to get out of that reasonable doubt
I’m sorry it reads that way. What I’m trying to say is that you have to look at the whole picture.
“Let’s say I kill a high profile individual on the street you know, hypothetically.”
If you say that, you have to take into account what kind of person might do that. It’s a person who is not thinking normally. It’s something that people thinking normally might be tempted to do, but they wouldn’t actually do it.
“Do you seriously believe that I’d be casually hanging out in public at a McDonalds with a manifesto and loaded gun in my bag?”
This is something that someone who’s thinking normally wouldn’t do. But, we’ve already established that someone who kills someone else on the street isn’t thinking normally. You can’t start from an assumption of normal thinking for someone who you’ve already hypothesized is a cold-blooded killer who killed a stranger on the street.
I would disagree, I would say it is normal to kill someone who is responsable for thousands of deaths, thousands of people dieing so you can make more money. It is only a collective cowardace, one that I have to admit also have. But I would argue within the history of humanity, and just normal human emotion, that that would be someone thinking normaly, you are killing a, truly stagering amount of people for, no real reason, someone has to stop you and there is no reason why that person should not be me.
Once agian i want to point out how truly insane it is that more of us do not do this regularly, how this is seen as a rare and shoking event and killing healthcare CEOs and other Billionares, who ammase their weath on mass exploitation is.
I would say it is normal to kill someone who is responsable for thousands of deaths
If it was normal, it wouldn’t be newsworthy.
It is only a collective cowardace, one that I have to admit also have.
You have it because you’re normal. He didn’t, meaning he wasn’t normal (he being whoever shot the CEO).
Once agian i want to point out how truly insane it is that more of us do not do this regularly
Insanity is an abnormal mental or behavioral state. By definition, if it’s how everyone acts, then it’s not insane. It’s normal.
You can say that we ought to act differently, but that’s not how people are wired. Normal people don’t act that way.
this is seen as a rare and shoking event
In other words, it’s abnormal. That’s why we’re paying attention.
but hadn’t actually hurt Mangione or anybody he cared about, AFAIK
Mangione supposedly had chronic health issues that may have been the basis of hatred for the health insurance business - https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/12/11/luigi-mangione-back-pain-healthcare-shooting/
I’ve heard that, but he doesn’t seem like the kind of person who kills someone due to their medical issues. For that, I picture someone confined to a wheelchair, or forced to use crutches, or severely addicted to pain meds.
Though on the other hand I don’t know of anyone who became murderous over being forced to use a wheelchair / crutches / pain meds either.
I do agree with your overall point where you’d prefer to be agnostic regarding this whole issue, but that’s also exactly why I wouldn’t go off into theorising either about what is required to make a man want to kill a healthcare insurance CEO, or what kind of a person Mangione “seems like”.
I’ve said this a few times now, but it’s entirely possible he’s just not the criminal mastermind we want him to be.
I mean no one is saying mastermind, but he did get all the way out of the main search area, he would have been essentialy home free.
Also this is reasonable doubt, and saying “he isn’t a criminal mastermind” is not enough to remove it, someone going “I likely would have done this” is a reasonable doubt.
He’s an example of the difference in outcomes between a competent attorney focused solely on your own defense and some public defender that didn’t know you’d be their client until five minutes before trial.
Whether or not he did it, the real outcome of this court case appears to be reaffirming that the
NYPDlocal Pennsylvania PD simply cannot be trusted to do any kind of investigation of a crime or evidence handling even in the most high-profile cases.This was a police department in Pennsylvania, days later, hours away from NY
This police department mainly had information from the media, not from NYPD
I think what ends up happening (as a rando without a legal degree) is that the backpack and all of its contents become inadmissible as evidence. It makes beyond a reasonable doubt harder to achieve for the prosecution because they lack a proposed murder weapon in evidence.
This is just a motion. Judge will decide it’s validity and the remedy. It might end up with the evidence excluded, but it might be that the prosecution just has to provide a different/stronger justification, or even be a nothing burger if the judge is unconvinced by the arguments in the motion.
I agree with your analysis if the judge does exclude backpack and contents as evidence.
Anything other than exclusion will be grounds for appeal, later, too.
I want to see him win this whether he did it or not, but at this point it legitimately looks like it isn’t him. Either way, they just want to make an example out of him, it’s literally just class warfare and nothing else.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was him, if he had a meticulous brilliant plan to make sure there was no direct evidence, so people would know it was him but they couldn’t prove it in a court of law.
And then the cops were like “it’s cute you think we play by the rules” and planted evidence.
I also hope he’s acquitted. I don’t know if a random healthcare CEO getting killed will make the world a better place. But, I do think that a guy getting away with killing a random healthcare CEO is more likely to result in change.
In the first case, it can be dismissed by the CEOs, oligarchs and friends as a crazy lone gunman. But, if a jury votes to acquit after massive donations to his legal case, that becomes a clear sign that it’s not just a lone gunman, that a lot of people support this kind of thing. It also makes it more likely to happen again, because the next gunman might think they can get away with it too. If CEOs start quitting because they don’t want a target on their backs, or they start reforming their companies to avoid being so hated, that’s great.
I hope he did it and I hope he gets off.
Why would you believe he is the guy? The only evidence is what corrupt police said on a bullshit story. Brian Thompson was probably killed in a mob hit, dude was up to his eyeballs in illegal insider trading and embezzlement. It is far more likely that he was killed for that before he could rat or to just cover tracks.
I think he probably is the right guy but he was smart enough to cover his tracks and they only found him because of some kind of illegal surveillance we don’t know about. Would explain why they’re so desperate for anything else to explain how they know it was him.
My issue with that is that if he were caught via illegal surveillance so soon after the fact, it seems strange that they wouldn’t have caught him during the planning/prep stages using said surveillance.
Think of it like the eye of sauron, when it’s looking at you it won’t miss anything, but it needs a reason to be looking.
There is so much junk data out there, you don’t know what matters. But the moment you have a face, time, and area you can do some crazy things.
He clearly didn’t want to get away if he kept the evidence. You can just throw it in the trash at a random place
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The images released at the time show two different people. One was from the scene and the other from a hostel in the area. While they look similar, there are details which show there are very likely not the same person. Luigi only matches the details of the hostel image, not the one from the scene.
NYC is full of tall attractive young men of Italian descent. I used to live there and off the top of my head can think of three different aquaintences who were his age and would have matched his profile close enough.
I can’t imagine how much it must suck for him right now if he didn’t do it. Like, the way they’re treating him is awful regardless, but I imagine that being responsible for the widely praised act would help a little (gosh, it must feel so awkward to have so many fans if he wasn’t the one who did it — it has stolen valour vibes (except presumably he wouldn’t have chosen to be the scapegoat))
It seems more and more everyday that vigilante justice is the only justice against this corrupt corporate tyranny. I think we all wish this wasn’t the case but as my dad used to say you can wish in one hand and 💩 in the other and see what hand fills up first
French style revolution is the only solution
When I picked up bodies for the Medical Examiner’s Office, we had very strict chain of custody rules we had to follow. If the decedent had any valuables on their person (purse, wallet, jewelry, etc), or any medication, we had to write detailed descriptions of every item found (a gold ring is not a gold ring, it’s a gold colored ring), then package it all up with the ranking police officer on the scene as a witness who then signs the sealed bag. Even the slightest deviation from this would get us immediately fired, and even prosecuted if surviving family members made any accusations about theft.
In a capital murder case where an alleged murderer/terrorist can potentially walk free because the chain of custody rules weren’t followed, how the fuck does this cop still have a job? How is she not being charged with tampering with evidence and obstruction of justice?
Don’t get me wrong, I am all for letting Luigi go free, but this is a fuck-up of monumental proportions.
