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Hasan needs to get a good night’s sleep and come back tomorrow with the correct attitude
Boy is as soft as cotton candy
Yugo hides his face and doesn’t live in America, much less make public appearances on livestreams on the streets of various places in America, his position and Hasan’s are naturally going to be pretty different.
It’s easy to yap with a pseudonym. When Hasan says something edgy, it becomes a Fox News headline immediately. There were over 100,000 people watching him live. His face and government name are attached to the things that he says. He’s been swatted. He receives death threats frequently. The FBI tracks him personally. The death was also not confirmed at the time of the clip. If he celebrated the death before it was confirmed, then he would face the blame. You only have no fear because your words have no impact, neither positive or negative.
no real stake in all this but if a guy I was gonna share a stage with in a couple weeks got blasted and it was my “job” to talk to the public all day I’d probably say some freaked out mealymouthed shit too
I agree, I’m actually just mad I wasted 6 hours, it’s my day off, I thought he would have some interesting commentary about this somewhat/kinda historic event, but I just got strung along instead, I’M SO PEEVED, I want my 6 hours back
See I knew where he was going so I cut my losses after an hour and just turned the stream volume down into background noise as I read some romance slop
He can’t say shit or he’ll get lasered from orbit. He has to at least let it sit for a few days. When I say lasered from orbit I mean in a figurative sense and literal. A ton of crazies out there would love to have images of Hasan looking like Kirk. Many of them are in the US government
I am curious what his game plan is for today, I hope he gave it some thought, because dude was flailing and crashing out hard yesterday
I didn’t really watch that much. After I saw the video of Kirk’s entire life force dumping on that stage I was like “oh. He’s dead immediately. So anyway.”
In what ways was he crashing out? Yelling at his chat for “celebrating”?
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s afraid of well-known political commentators becoming assassination targets considering he’s one himself.
Totally different position than yugopnik
Fair, but Yugopnik doesn’t have millions of dollars
Idk if millions of dollars can keep you from getting smoked if you go interview people at an anti-ice protest or something and someone wants to kill you
Kirk had millions and the direct backing of the US president and some sort of lone actor (more or less) took him out.
his job is to stream of consciousness into a microphone, not sure how much of it is sleep deprivation and how much of it is just habit by this point
lol Hasan crying like a little lib baby in the background the whole time 🙄
KIRK DESERVED IT
but the way kirk was shot was defo scary ,you westerners are weirdos who are de sanitized to violence
I was pretty happy when I heard the news but after seeing the video ,I wasn’t able to eat
I was pretty happy when I heard the news but after seeing the video ,I wasn’t able to eat
Am I evil or something? I felt nothing seeing it, I mean it was gross, but like, knowing who it is kind of made me not care. If the video had it happen to anyone else , I would be just like you.
I am pretty happy he’s dead but it’s been 8 hours since I saw the video and I still can’t eat well
I hope you never get desensitized to violence the way a lot of us are, friend. The last one that really affected me was the Christchurch massacre video, and even then I was only bothered for maybe an hour or two. I watched Charlie Kirk die and my only reaction was basically “heh, owned.” If he wasn’t a complete piece of shit it still would’ve been sad only in an abstract sense, I don’t think this sort of thing can really affect me anymore.
seeing it on the internet with no stakes and nobody you know impacted has to be a factor. I suspect even the most liveleak addled minds would feel differently if it started to hit closer to home. Hopefully we don’t have to find out
Thank you comrade
And thats okay. No one really knows how one reacts in the moment and how it affects them in the long term. Besides ptsd is a thing, so take care comrade!
Thanks comrade
Am I evil or something?
Nah probably just desensitized from years of violent content, I know I am to an extent, the one shot and blood spurting from the video is far less gruesome than say ISIS/cartel beheadings or industrial accidents videos
Thing is, I don’t go watching this stuff, in fact I avoid it. I only watched it because I hate the guy
You’re not alone.
Even as someone who grew up on the pre 2000 internet, this is a shocking scene. Most people in the west do. You have to be very online not to find it distressing.
If someone dying doesn’t shake you, even if they deeply have it coming, it’s probably time to do some soul searching.
keep in mind I live in Palestine and have seen people get shot before
CW: Discussion of Charlie Kirks death in somewhat graphic detail
Honestly, after having seen pictures of the scores of bodies, a lot of them children, coming out of Gaza, I thought I wouldn’t be shaken by the footage of the murder, but watching that man’s neck just explode into a fountain of blood still profoundly shocked me. Seeing a corpse is still different from witnessing the action itself, especially in such gory fashion. I basically had to go onto a tour of his greatest hits to remind me of why I shouldn’t be too depressed about what I just saw.
his greatest hits to remind me of why I shouldn’t be too depressed about what I just saw
yea ain’t no way I am doing that
too much racism ,dude was scum
but the people saying his death was not gory are ?? idk
I have seen people get shot before and I live in a pretty infamously dangerous country
also thing is I am sure lots of us have seen images of people in gaza but I tend to avoid this shit because it horrifies me ,I checked the video for kirk by mistake (friend sent me somethn about it)
Yeah, the racism is pretty “fun”. I’m a Central Asian man, so I definitely feel you. Also, I clicked a link that “pretty much confirmed he’s dead”. Turns out that was just video footage of his assassination.
Same as you Habibi ,Also look we made the HexeBear flag
I disagree that I need to do some soul searching. You have to temper your hate, and this is part of that process. The death of your enemy cannot shake you, even though they are absolutely human. To actually take a life with your own hands should always shake you though.
That said, it is certainly one of the more gorey videos I have seen, especially given the quality of the footage. Very anti-Hollywood.
Even as someone who grew up on the pre 2000 internet, this is a shocking scene. Most people in the west do. You have to be very online not to find it distressing.
I don’t know about that, I’m not the type of person to watch violence, I constantly avoid seen images/videos from Palestine or the Ukraine war and I can even feel nauseous with some graphic violence in movies. But with the video yesterday? My first reaction was a big smile.
I don’t if it’s my job or just myself, working at a hospital, but I felt very little from the video. Not even like a pang of oh no like I do for videos of people being injured, just a bland “huh well that’s that he’s dead”.
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I feel a bit better now but still somewhat bothered by it
That’s understandable, that was more or less a execution of a person and is a sad sign of the times of the current political collapse of the US as a state. The only “positive thing” is that he likely lost consciousness so fast and then went decorticate meaning his brain likely suffered immediate injury at which point blood loss followed suit.
I think he is just personally terrified bc he gets lots of death threats harassment.
Is what it is
He said “I was supposed to debate him at Dartmouth” like fifteen times. He’s definitely shook knowing it could happen to him.
I’ve been scrolling comments on reddit, and yeah some conservatives have been A) pearl clutching about norms and respectability like the good liberals they pretend to be when it suits them and B) looking at Hassan.
He should definitely be considering tighter personal security.
I think his whole thing is that to get a presidential style security team isn’t feasible, and that’s what you would’ve needed to stop an unknown shooter posting up 200 yards away. It’s really on the institutions that host him to make sure this sort of thing doesn’t happen.
I would be worried about doing any public appearances if I were Hasan.
I think that’s just logical. If the other side tries to get revenge, Hasan would prob be a top “equivalent” target
For the sake of the new lefties who will use him as a role model I hope this shakes some sense into him about his safety. Dude was walking around the LA protests nearly getting domed by tear gas grenades without a helmet 'cause that wouldn’t be sexy
Plot armor is real sometimes
“I-it-It’s s-so terrifying”
Like shut up, soft little doughboy goddamn
He’s just a human showing a very human reaktion. He’s in a position where something like this could very much happen to him, so cut him some slack. Seeing someone die will always be terrifying.
Also, using “softness” as an insult for someone irks me. If you were looking to this demsoc to get your view on political violence affirmed, or if you expected his reaction to be different, you are even more of a fool than Hasan is.
Let it be a reminder of where he stands politically and move on if you haven’t already.
If you were looking to this demsoc to get your view on political violence affirmed, or if you expected his reaction to be different, you are even more of a fool than Hasan is.
Whether we like it or not, Hasan IS the loudest voice of the American “left”, he IS the “Joe Rogan” of American left radicalization, more so than Bernie at this late date, sad but true
So it behooves us to take his status seriously and not retreat into bubbles free of demsocs
Also I’m the site’s resident Hasan defender for 4 years straight, I’ve cut the man mountains of slack, NOT TODAY, in this instance the dude can eat his feelings for all I care, the death of media defining fascists shouldn’t be treated as a tragedy, initial shock is fine, but the dude went on, and on, and on, for eight hours to the point where even his chat was crying for Kirk, absolutely ridiculous
but the dude went on, and on, and on, for eight hours to the point where even his chat was crying for Kirk, absolutely ridiculous
This is a bit much. He spent like a solid hour going over what a piece of shit Kirk was and how it’s disgusting that people are now sanitizing him as a free speech warrior. He also played the clip of Kirk talking about the “tragic necessity” of gun deaths.
to the point where even his chat was crying for Kirk
Ergh, gross
It didn’t happen
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Fair enough. Eight hours sounds ridiculous. What did he even manage to talk about for this long, lol? All I was basing my judgement on was this clip, which was very much still within reason for a demsoc. I was’t aware he dragged it on for so long.
It was more like seven hours, with a lot of it being talking in circles and arguing with chat about unreliable updates on Kirk being dead, the shooter being apprehended, etc. and then a lot of time was spent looking at reactions, from several different broadcasts, twitter accounts, Trump, etc. and discussing them, as well as like an hour of just showing clips and tweets from Kirk and discussing based on those what a vile person he was and how it’s fucked up to see libs whitewash him.
Eight hours was roughly the length of the whole stream (~8 hours and 19 minutes), which started an hour before he heard about the shooting, and then he was following updates, looking at reactions and old Kirk shit, and discussing things for basically the remainder of the stream. It does still seem really exhausting. I’ve had about the first five hours of coverage of it on in the background and it was definitely a bit repetitive. I think Hasan seeing his own death was probably a major factor, along with of course having some personal familiarity with Kirk that made it more shocking than it would be for many of the rest of us, for whom the event in and of itself is only a step above a show getting canceled outside of the gore (though I am sure it will be much more important in terms of ripple effects).
If this becomes a precident setting even like NotLuigis unfortunatly wasn’t, then Hasan is right to be fearful. He’s the lefts only equivalent to the Kirk/Shapiro/Crowder…(insert like 10 more here) in the US that does show himself in public regularly without any form of security detail usually. Not that that helped Kirk.
If there’s someone out there looking to “even the scales” they will look for Hasan. Or am I missing someone else?
I agree, Hasan is the most logical target, and Hasan more or less said so several times on stream. The next closest figure who is out in public in America might literally be Zohran, who is somewhat different still. I think whether one or the other is targeted would depend more on where the shooter lives than anything, though age might also play a factor since the people who have a focused hatred of Hasan probably skew younger than those with a focused hatred of Zohran.
That or they just kill some not-even-demsoc lib, because we are still talking about the country where everyone you don’t like gets called a communist anyway.
He was just spinning in circles making the same arguments over and over again and pointing out the obvious over and over again: “I knew Charlie Kirk, I debated Charlie Kirk, I stood on a stage with Charlie Kirk” followed by him making a morose face for two minute and then flying into doomerism; “This is so bad, this is impossible to contend with, we’re so cooked” and then back pointing out he knew Charlie Kirk
Seriously, this is all he did for eight hours, no mention of Kirk’s history or delving into reactions online, just making it about himself and dooming, after the third time he busted out the “I knew Charlie Kirk” line I burst out laughing
It was such an obnoxious buzzkill of a stream, in fact he was similarly comatose during election night last year where he doomed and muttered under his breath the whole night, squandering a once in 4 years audience of 350k people
Seriously, this is all he did for eight hours, no mention of Kirk’s history or delving into reactions online,
How are you able to say this? Like, it was definitely a boring stream, so it makes sense that you would stop paying attention, but then why speak so confidently on its content? He absolutely did cover both of those things and spent hours on reactions online in particular, from Trump to Fox to Shapiro to CNN to fucking Asmongold (I think it was a reaction and not an old video in that case, but I’m not sure) but also went to old tweets from Kirk and the clip of him talking about the “grim necessity” of stochastic gun deaths that people are rightfully quoting from, and talking in general about how the whitewashing of Kirk by other media figures is disgusting.
from Trump to Fox to Shapiro to CNN to fucking Asmongold
I said ONLINE reactions, not the gibbering whitewashing nonsense of low viewer news corps and who cares what Asmongold thinks, that ghoul literally retired from streaming a couple days ago
but also went to old tweets from Kirk and the clip of him talking about the “grim necessity” of stochastic gun deaths that people are rightfully quoting from, and talking in general about how the whitewashing of Kirk by other media figures is disgusting.
Fair enough, I must’ve missed it, I skipped about 40 mins of the stream out of frustration
It’s wild how people come on here and just lie about Hasan the same way the destiny-sphere does. (Just “from the left” or something)
I just had two very different summarizations of the stream, but i guess either way his coverage isn’t something I need to watch.
It’s not a stream worth watching (it was tedious even for a Hasan stream), but CM here is flatly misrepresenting it and I’m not really sure why, since they have no reason to lie but Hasan obviously went through a ton of different reactions on stream, either playing clips or reading aloud tweets Reactions he went over included: Shapiro, Loomer, Musk, Trump, Netanyahu and a couple of other Israeli politicians, Asmon and his comment section, a couple of liberal news panels, a panel with Greg Gutfeld on Fox, and a few others I forget and one that isn’t worth trying to describe, along with obviously statements from the cops and a local politician.
Like, the stream sucked and Hasan’s a demsoc who said demsoc shit, but CM makes it sound like Hasan was just talking to chat/himself and replaying snuff footage for 8 hours straight, which factually isn’t true.
I think part of it is perhaps more cynical - it’s a big moment where he gets to redefine his image to the mainstream (which is somewhat important I guess for his outreach to new viewers).
The other part of it is very human though - he could’ve been sharing a stage with Kirk when it happened, and ultimately if the hogs retaliate then Hasan could end up in their crosshairs.
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That clip was from him seeing the footage for the first time. What kind of brainrot do you have that you’re basically calling him soy in response to a gore video where the subject is someone he personally knows and has interacted with in person? Like, there are lots of other things about his subsequent stream to justly criticize, but this is gross and just makes you look like the most obnoxious r/watchpeopledie user.
I literally said in another comment his “Initial shock is fine” and NO I didn’t call him “Soy”, sure I should’ve made it more clear I was coming in from watching his whole stream and not simply the initial react clip above
I called him SOFT because he kept repeating the “It’s terrifying” line for FIVE fuckin hours, sorry my lack of radlib vocab irked you
Your clarification is noted. Your response then is less bad but still seriously failing to understand how there are multiple factors that mean that his internal reaction to this is going to be wildly different from yours, because again he knew Kirk (and has known him for several years now) and has a very similar job that also involves making frequent public appearances. He gets daily death threats that range from “this person is a terrorist and something needs to stop him” to “I will shoot you” and then saw someone who could reasonably be called less radical (much more evil, but closer to the evil political center) and who has more security, get killed on camera, which he saw three angles of. It would be alarming in its own right for this to not be even slightly traumatizing to him.
I’d be fucking terrified in that position and I’d say so for more than 5 hours (not that he was catatonic, because he was mainly saying other things even in the first hour), and perhaps I’m ““soft”” but that’s probably not a strong case for why.
Lastly, yes, “soft” in this use is basically equivalent to “soy” and I’m not asking you for “radlib vocab” (fuck off, I’m the last person on this shitty radlib board to do that), I’m asking you to reconsider the actual content of what you were saying because changing out the word for some sanitized equivalent is not changing the content, and the idea that having a fucking traumatic reaction to a traumatizing event makes you “soft” is honestly one type of reactionary rhetoric that I really don’t expect to see here because I’d think that the userbase could identify it as being reactionary. That’s silly of me, in retrospect, because that’s not quite how people handle things here.
Like, I know it’s a low bar, but could we start by not deeming someone a p*ssy (idk if that one gets removed uncensored) for being terrified by the graphic killing of someone they know in a situation that could just as easily have applied to them? As others have noted and Hasan himself monotonously repeated, he was going to make a public appearance with this fucker in like two weeks. To have any more of an experience of dodging a bullet while seeing what would have happened if he didn’t dodge it, he would have needed to be there!
I think a lot of his finger-wagging at chat was silly and incorrect, but come on, this is not the point to get him on.
Hasan has millions of dollars, resources he can use to secure his safety, despite that he derailed his own platform decrying the death of a famous fascist because of his fears over blowback, that’s why I called him soft, not because of his sensible reaction to blood and gore, it’s almost like Kirk’s assassination carries a political element beyond the shock of a broadcasted and widely witnessed bloody death
Soft and “soy” are only equivalent if you ignore the concept of context, which you’ve studiously done TWICE now, and harping on about the fact Hasan was going to debate Kirk accomplishes what exactly? “There but the grace of god go I” ok cool commentary Mr. Millionaire can you go back to explaining why fascists dying is a good thing instead of dooming about the supposed imminent death of the left because a single fash got domed…maybe, god forbid even platform some the public reactions that are…shock…celebrating instead of dooming
You gonna write another essay now about how I’m a heartless reactionary who loves blood and guts?
Hasan has millions of dollars, resources he can use to secure his safety,
Would you really support him barricading himself in his mansion and never going out again? I wouldn’t think positively of it and I’d sure be surprised if you did.
If he goes out, he faces similar risk, and while he can be safer than he has been (he usually has basically no security), but he can’t be that much safer than Kirk was and still continue to go out in public frequently. As he said, a vest would not have saved Kirk, and security didn’t, and even much better security probably would not have unless they directly controlled basically that entire section of the campus. You’d need to get close to Secret Service levels of proximate security, which would be an absurd cost on a frequent basis if he keeps going out as much as he usually does. The dude is rich, but he’s not “I’m immortal wherever I go” rich.
Soft and “soy” are only equivalent if you ignore the concept of context,
You don’t go on to substantiate this, unless you think that what you said somehow substantiates it. Yeah, the broadcast sucked and he absolutely fumbled a chance to make it more useful (he did a little, but it was mostly discussing Kirk getting whitewashed and rightist hypocrisy wrt violence). Based on your comment to that other person, I think perhaps you have an extremely distorted view of the broadcast because you made criticisms of it (especially elsewhere) that are obviously factually untrue. Like, you were talking like you sat through the whole broadcast* (even I didn’t) but apparently didn’t see what would be obvious from what’s in most of the clip channels because it was most of the broadcast.
But that doesn’t actually address the soft/soy thing, which is reactionary as shit, and it continues to ignore that this is legitimately likely to be traumatizing to someone in his position for reasons other than sheer gore, because it really could have been him and could yet be him! I don’t think it makes sense to call him “soft” over this, because the violence that he logically put himself in the shoes of is something he has more defense against than you or I, but fundamentally his only escape is living in a bunker (which he can afford and we cannot), which he rightly refuses to do (or so it seems, if he goes Hoxha on this on more than a temporary basis, then I will condemn him right beside you).
can you go back to explaining why fascists dying is a good thing
I agree with this part
maybe, god forbid even platform some the public reactions that are…shock…celebrating instead of dooming
He did do this. He of course wagged his finger at chat, which I already told you I disagree with, but he did include for example people clowning on Kirk with the quote about gun deaths.
Edit: *In fact, in another comment you just said that you watched the whole thing. I have no idea how this is possible, because I don’t think you’re lying to people other than yourself (and even then that’s on the soft thing, not the stream content), but he went through so many different reactions that I struggled to be able to list them all from memory in another comment, and he also discussed Kirk’s past and his whitewashing. These are things you explicitly accused Hasan of never doing, even though you apparently corrected yourself down to him covering the killing for 7 hours rather than 8 (which is a true but unimportant thing that I mentioned, but perhaps you got it from elsewhere).
You can do alot more with millions of dollars besides “barricading” yourself in a mansion, also Hasan is a streamer he already barricades himself in his home for most of the year lmao, that’s literally a meme about him
You seem to be confused about the whole Soft/Soy context thing, Soy is used by the right-wing as an insult regarding the supposed feminization of otherwise masculine men, is that seriously what you think I meant when I deployed “soft” to describe Hasan’s hours long crash out concerning his fears about the death of a prominent fascist, is fear of blowback over dead fascists a universally feminine state of mind? Obviously not, instead I’m using soft as a kinder equivalent of ‘COWARD’, see how context matters
Also I watched 6 hours of the stream, ignored the first hour cause it was before the shooting and two hours after his initial reaction skipped about 40 mins ahead because it was literally just dead air as he stared at CNN and Fox, so yes I missed the literal 15 mins he spent on the Kirk gun control hypocrisy before going back to watching the news and dooming, besides another 10 mins of covering Mehdi Hasan’s reaction and a some decent tweets, he spent the majority of the stream dooming and glooming as I initially said
Someone got off a shot at trump, close enough to clip his ear. No, Hasan can’t secure his own safety. Don’t be ridiculous.
Then Hasan should quit streaming and go into hiding
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reiterating that the prospect of getting shot at in public is terrifying
If that’s your 7-hour long reaction to a prominent fascist getting shot, then yes you’re a SOOOOOFFFFT little doughboy who needs to get his head out of his ass, it’s almost like it wasn’t simply his initial concerned reaction to blowback, but instead an hours long crashout about how Kirk getting domed automatically means he’s dead to rights, lol so you stfu, you didn’t watch the whole stream
oh he said it over several hours. So reiterating it multiple times also makes him a “soft little doughboy”
Sí, thanks for keeping up, in case you forgot we’re talking about a millionaire who has the resources to secure his safety, not some rando working class leftie facing imminent right-wing assault over Kirk getting got
Only soft morons cowers at footage of death. Wow such an unmanly thing to do.
Oh yeah, we’re all just talking about a random murder video, totally has nothing to with politics and the state of fascism in this country, we’re just edgelords passing around dark web snuff films and laughing at people who cringe at them, that’s absolutely a reasonable summary of yesterday’s events. I didn’t think my radlib hunch would get this validated
You just turned around to say you didn’t mean but also you did.
Is that what you call me adding context (me watching the whole shitty stream) I’m sorry, I didn’t know I wasn’t allowed to do that
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It’s terrifying because he knows there is a large group of well-armed freaks just slavering to do the same to him and he was planning to put himself in the same circumstances, with the same man, in the near future.
Yeah, that’s pretty fucking scary man I dunno what to tell you. I’m not scared because this has zero impact on me, but that’s not Hasan’s situation. It’s easy to celebrate the death when you don’t have good reason to think of it as a premonition of your own near future.
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The tone of his voice? He sounds like he’s about to burst into tears. God if there was one rule I could institute on Hexbear it would be to ban simping for Hasan. It’s just a Trojan horse of liberalism entering this website on a daily basis. Just because the guy is on the right side of Palestine doesn’t make him a communist. medhi hasan and MTG are against the genocide ffs. I know a lot of y’all can’t let go of the parasocial relationship established with him at age 15 but I’m begging you to move on.
Anyway hope he sees this bro!
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You should try answering things normally.
I have comradely debates with fellow communists, not with liberals.
You’re being a massive asshole right now, chill out.
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I watched like 40 min or so and yeah he definitely seemed like his sense of security was fundamentally broken.
God I had a brainfart and thought you said hakim and was immediately confused
Yugo like always, pretty cool guy here.
YuGiOh!pnik when someone is banished to the Shadow Realm:
Look, I’m not a fan of smoking, or the culture glorifying smoking, but steamy boi is looking wonderful right here.
They got Rule 1’d.
in case you didn’t know - Hasan Piker, who was supposed to debate him in a few weeks, kinda realized that, if Kirk is game for the firing squad, he is too…
Meanwhile, an always-anonymously masked Yugopnik reacts and smokes his packwatch (imho smoking is bad, even for a packwatch), silently celebrating the death (cuz its Twitch; you don’t wanna get banned)
I can’t believe I recorded the last moment of subreddit gone silent… (before the ban)
