• Mardoniush [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Firstly no they haven’t. The death penalty is an option but not often used. Because most abusers are close family or friends and you want kids to come forward without the fear of killing their uncle.

    I think sometimes people ignore in the maximalist approaches to this is that you might be traumatized by your abuser and want justice and even revenge, but not actually want them to die. And that the agency and preferences of the victim are important here.

    • CSA personal, dead abuser

      My feelings on this became very complex the day the man who abused me died, literally from prostate cancer. And prior to this was paralyzed from the waist down.

      This was a friend of extended family so I had been forced to see him in family gatherings for years and he could also show up in my life unannounced. He was never charged for what he did, because I had been a teenager at the time and was told to keep silent to “not bring shame to my family” and told it was my fault. So it was this open secret and I was the one forced to act normal when he would show up somwehere. I felt unsafe and violated all the time. It was also an open secret that I was just one of many teenage girls he had done this to.

      So when he got paralyzed I felt so relieved, he could not do this to anyone ever again. Or me. Then when I was told he had died I remember saying “deserved it, haha” and I got so much pushback from this same family on what a terrible person I am for reacting this way.

      I don’t necessarily support the death penalty on this, but the abusers do have to be kept away from potential victims and I have no idea what re-education in this case could look like. I am however not sad when someone like this dies and probably never can be.


      • Johnny_Arson [they/them]@hexbear.net
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        I have delta with this not directly but multiple times via association to other close family who were groomed/assaulted/targeted and had to put up with just going along pretending. It is perfectly valid to be happy or relieved when monsters die.

        • Yet it still makes one feel kind of bad which honestly sucks, because it’s the victims feeling bad only, every step of the way.

          I kind of think that as long as the sort of violent pathriarchy that we have fostered exists, there should be real material deterrants that actually deter something. In so many cases the abusers are protected, shielded and if they do get convicted those are typically slaps in the wrist. So I am in favor of the type of authoritarianism where this is condemned so strongly on a systemic level that it puts some fear into the abusers. While at the same time focusing on changing our culture to something where this no longer is as common. On the global scale it feels like only China is on the side of the victim.

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      Also ppl forget if theremoved knows theyll be killed if theyre caught, theyre more likely to also kill their victim cuz the punishment cant be any worse and that way theres no witness

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    death to billionaires, their wealth tells what they’ve done, who they fucked over, or killed. Which is countless.

    but im still against the death penalty for the not rich. Death is being released from capitivity, keeping them in prison is better. The death penalty isnt a deterrent.

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      Even with billionaires I would rather see them imprisoned where possible. Of course we know from experience that it often isn’t, but still. I certainly wouldn’t shed any tears over losing them, but I don’t support the death penalty under pretty much any circumstances, with only a few exceptions.

      Pu Yi was very successfully rehabilitated by the CPC iirc, and he was literally installed as a puppet ruler by imperial Japan. I think that was a genuine triumph.

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    I’m curious if this is real policy. All I’m finding is very spare independent media posts linking to other posts on Facebook.

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      As far as I can tell, this is policy. At least in that the death penalty is officially an option. CW for the obvious. Note machine translation. Also worth noting that this doesn’t seem to be new, looks to me like it’s been on the books since 1997.

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      A rape of a woman by violence, coercion or other means shall be sentenced to imprisonment for a term not less than three years and not more than ten years.

      Fornication of a young girl under the age of 14, to rape, the punishment is severe.

      Rape of a woman, rape of a young girl, in any of the following circumstances, shall be sentenced to imprisonment for more than 10 years, life imprisonment or death:

      (1) Raping a woman and committing adultery with a young girl;

      (2) Raping women and committing adultery with many young girls;

      © Public rape of women in public;

      (D) more than two people gang rape;

      (5) Causing serious injury, death or other serious consequences for the victim.

      Chapter 4, Article 236, Criminal Law of the People’s Republic. Via National People’s Congress of the PRC, machine translated.

      • HexaSnoot [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        Can someone see if i found gommunist propaganda? I read on XHS that if you get married and then your partner rps you, it will not be treated as a rp case. It will be legally just be listed as domestic violence. There’s a few US states that also do not countremoved asremoved if youre married to yourremoved.

        I’m really hoping it’s misinformation.

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          It is not misinformation per se. There is no legislation in regards to marital sexual violence in the PRC. As such, it is inconsistent whether or not sexual violence within the marriage will be considered sexual violence within the courts.

          However, the Datong assault case (2023) was elevated into the Supreme Court repository last year (meaning the higher courts determined it had value as case precedent for courts in all jurisdictions). The Datong case established that engagement did not constitute consent. This is a step closer to marital sexual violence laws (engagement, once formalized via the exchange of a bride price, is in many traditions often considered a more-or-less finalization of the conferral of marital privilege), but there is as yet no legislation explicitly outlining the rights of spouses to boundaries of consent, just a series of disjointed and inconsistent case law (for instance couples who are separated and undergoing divorce tend to have the sexual violence recognized as sexual violence), none of which has been elevated by the Supreme Court.

          The institution of marriage as an exchange of property and the conferral of marital privilege is one that has only recently begun to be challenged in most of the world. Even countries that have laws barring marital sexual violence struggle to have marital sexual violence recognized as such before the courts (which is not surprising, considering how most sexual violence is barely recognized as such regardless of the relationship between those involved), and many countries either do not have legislation that covers it, or even worse, have legislation that explicitly exempts it from being classified as sexual violence.

          Interestingly, this violence was once talked about in depth by Soviet scholars who were working to eradicate the institution of bourgeois marriage and develop new forms of family and relationship dynamics in the early USSR (way ahead of the game compared to most every other country on earth at the time), before a return to traditional values re-established the push for heteronormative marriages with an emphasis on the need to reproduce. In fact, the first country to criminalize marital sexual violence was the USSR (1922). It wasn’t until the 70s that other countries started following suit (beginning with Germany and then spreading through Europe)

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            Thanks for this. I was having a lot of trouble making sense of anything via baidu and machine translation.

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            I don’t mean to overload this with too much info on a very depressing subject, this is just a topic that I specialize in as an educator. A report by WHO found that one in three women worldwide experience marital sexual violence. It is sadly, a deeply prevalent social phenomenon, baked into the history of what marriage represents (the conferral of privilege as a property exchange)

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            There is I believe a domestic violence law since 2016 that should cover it, but it is inconsistently enforced, especially in Rural areas.

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              Yes, it is largely covered as domestic violence, but there is no specific legislation that defines it as sexual violence. That doesn’t mean it can’t be considered sexual violence, it’s just not explicitly defined and so it isn’t consistently applied. Divorcing/separated couples get a bit more application of sexual violence laws, as it is more likely to be seen that marital privilege has been revoked. This is even considering that anyone attempts to go through the courts with this, which the overwhelming majority of survivors do not (either because they are entrenched in the system of accepting this violence as a marital privilege, or because they are afraid of retraumatization through the courts when there is a likelihood that it won’t even result in any real recognition of what they experienced). There is a huge amount of stigma (especially in more rural areas, though this stigma exists everywhere) around being a survivor of any sexual violence, and that stigma is much higher in marital cases, where regardless of court outcomes community/social impacts can be severe.