I got a spliff right here that begs to differ.
I always said mushrooms were great for depression too. Science finally caught up when they allowed unbiased testing.
The doctors are prescribing mushrooms and ketamine and all sorts of funny drugs now and y’all still out here bashing weed ffs
There’s only so much weed can really do for rampant nationalized fascism, war, poverty, injustice and an absolute lack of hope for the future. Can’t taking the edge off be… okay?
no, thats escaping the machine of suffering. If you do that, you wont buy as much stuff, wont buy expensive therapies and medications and ultimately might not do something that lands you into private prison and create revenue through slave labour. And by keeping it illegal, they get excuse to imprison you anyway or at least take your money. And by keeping it illegal, they dont have to tax it which mean the rich can get all the profits themselves by being at the top of the pyramid.
the rich cant do anything they want, evidently. otherwise they would have already done way worse than what has been done. They still need to keep us docile because we could make a difference if enough of us rose up against them.
at least that is how i think the internal thought process goes for the ones who make the rules. Maybe there is less deliberate planning going on for real, but all they have to do is inherit the previous system and improve on it.
I wish i could do hacking, then it might be possible to find at least some proof. Maybe its possible through gathering information out there and making logical detuctions and combining it, but i dont have the energy to do it anyway, especially since it would just drown in all the other information out there.
What a garbage article.
The article lionises RCT, the gives us
The data alone seems to suggest cannabis medicines are relatively safe. But this may not be reflected in real-world use.
So it’s okay to substitute “real world use” for side effects but not effects?
Currently, there is a mismatch between the research evidence on medicinal cannabis – mainly short-term trials and CBD formulations – and real-world use, which is longer term and often using high-THC products.
So they admit nobody is actually doing, or paying for, studies on the correct medication.
We need more research on cannabis medicines, particularly for conditions with limited alternative treatments, and monitoring over longer periods.
As the TGA conducts a review of medical cannabis prescribing in Australia, these findings should inform future regulation.
“we know fuck all else works for what people are using this for, but it should still be banned”.
What vindictive assholes.
Cannabis is legal in Canada and it has done nothing to rates of all those conditions. The large human experiment was done.
“we know fuck all else works for what people are using this for, but it should still be banned”.
They know nothing. Likely because of the prohibition.
I have a medical skin condition that is not life threatening in any way but which is depressing when left untreated. From the doctor I get medication that only treats the condition after the fact which isn’t optimal to put it mildly.
I tried vaporizing cannabis and all symptoms are completely gone. I asked multiple doctors about it. The reaction was always disbelief or complete lack of interest.
I really do not care what statistics from some study says. Even if 999 other patients see no improvement at all. It had helped me as an individual and the positive effect has been reproducible for years now.
This article is about mental illness, not skin conditions. Mental illness is a much more nebulous field of study.
… which means it takes more study and resources to find anything definitive, not less.
What are you talking about? This article is an example of more study and resources being applied to the area. Just because you don’t like the results doesn’t mean the research is invalid.
If you want to discuss flaws in the study’s methodology, great, but using anecdotal evidence for an unrelated issue as a counter to its efficacy as a mental health drug is silly.
I personally use THC for its anti inflammatory properties, but I’m not going to assume that it is evidence of being a treatment of mental health issues.
I didn’t say it was invalid. You read a whole lot into my one sentence there. I was not in the conversation at all before that one sentence comment.
My mistake, I thought you were the original person I responded to.
But with the new context I’m not sure if your comment is supposed to be contradicting or supporting.
I think we’re generally in agreement that more nebulous fields need to gather a lot more data before clear patterns and actual usable insights emerge
Completely agree. Why can’t these cunts just fuck off
Private prisons are big mad lately that they can’t fill more cells with as many completely nonviolent cannabis users.
PTSD has some studies supporting it, but depression and anxiety don’t from what I’ve seen. I think people might self medicate for said reasons while not truly meeting the clinical definition of anxiety or depression. Just a guess.
Ya PTSD has support because the massive amount of veterans that used cannabis and it “anecdotally” helped them. They told a friend and pretty soon it was large enough group to study. Imagine that.
It’s almost like if you stopped stigmatizing it long enough to do an unbiased study you can discover the use cases and how to apply it properly 😭
But then people won’t get the answer they want to hear. Germany had a huge fad of St. John’s wort as a cure for depression, so the government funded a massive double blinded trial of pharma antidepressant vs St. John’s wort versus placebo.
Placebo was by far most effective. People want a pill to fix everything.
I would love to get a massive study on the long terms of health effects of cannabis. Any medicinal value that may be lingering around there, and if there is absolutely no medicinal value…… I’d love to study and in comparison to tobacco and alcohol. Maybe we can regulate it like the other two.
Right…. But they did the massive study. So good on them. Record it in the books of medicine and move on. When will we get to see a massive study on cannabis without the taint of prohibition?
You can better label the risks and dangers too. Ho my gawd it’s science at work!!!
Your study is shit, people have been using it for those things since it popped out of the ground, not for no reason. There has been article after article lately and now it feels like they want to stuff the cat back in the box, fuck that.
Just because a bunch of people use it for self medication doesn’t mean it’s an effective treatment for those conditions or that it can’t exacerbate those same conditions.
Lots of things that “everyone knows are true,” have been disproven through research.
Ha ya research is so easy to come by after 100 years of global prohibition.
Bro, this article is about research that was done.
You can’t say we need more research then ignore research that doesn’t conform to your held beliefs.
What would make data from 1980 relevant compared to data from a current state who’s not under prohibition? Do you think normal people were jumping to take part in a government approved cannabis study when it could have them sent to jail for 25 years ??? Cmon man think about the data sets we’re using here.
It seems like you’re all really happy when some loosely slapped together science confirms what you think so I can see why that is the common criticism around here.
Did you even read the abstract of the paper? 1980 was the beginning of their search range, not the only data used.
it said we did a meta analysis and it was in conclusive due to lack of data. They hug tight onto a 2016 study that confirmed what they wanted to say. wonderful abstract paper, that patted themselves on the back and drew some conclusions almost out of thin air. I learned soooooo much.
"There was insufficient data for ADHD, bipolar disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and tobacco use disorder. Cannabinoids were associated with a greater risk of all-cause adverse events compared with placebo, but no higher odds of serious adverse events or study withdrawal. This Article systematically evaluates the efficacy and safety of cannabinoids for some of the most common indications that they are used to treat, providing clarity during a time of expanding clinical use. Sleep issues, post-traumatic stress disorder, and depression are some of the leading indications that cannabinoids are used to treat, yet there were only four randomised controlled trials for sleep issues, three for post-traumatic stress disorder, and none for depression that examined cannabinoid efficacy."
DID YOU??? CAN YOU THINK AND BREATH AT THE SAME TIME? Said the same thing I did. Not enough evidence.
Bro they sent you to jail for 25 years for cannabis use in 1980. Their study is based or biased studies. There is no unbiased study of cannabis that exists under prohibition. Broooo
There’s no point in research that proves what people don’t want to hear. This is why Trump shut down the NIH.
Choosing to use corrupt data, corrupts the whole study. I dunno what’s so hard to understand it’s just really fucking simple. This isn’t some anti-vaccination conspiracy. There was a drug war. Billions of dollars a year eradicating cannabis and incarcerating people. We’re gonna use that government sponsored data in our modern studies???
YOU THINK DRUG RELATED DATA PRODUCED DURING A DRUG WAR IS RELEVANT?
So they studied a cannabis study from 1980 when cannabis was wildly illegal across the nation, and we were in the height of a war on drugs. We were supposed to trust that that data is valid enough to be included in a modern study?
Sir, did you even complete your high school education? I didn’t have to read more than a page of that study because the foundation of it is completely flawed.
It’s funny that you’re criticizing someone else’s intelligence while being confidently incorrect about the data used for the meta analysis.
How far has the clinical definition of depression drifted since 1980? You’re not even comparing the same disease at that time scale. It’s like no one even thought about what data to use in their data analysis. I think the stigma around mental health in 1985 was only rivaled by the stigma of drug use. What are we really studying here boiz?
Now im in the meat of it. They’re using studies with 35 participants. Seems super thorough. Great number makes the 200 participant study seem massive in comparison. They can barely draw a a conclusion due to the sampling size. lmaooo meta data analysis with bad data. Like I said I didn’t need to read this trash. but here I am. 23% of US adults use cannabis I’m sure they can run a real study if they wanted to learn something.
You’re going to have to point out where I was incorrect, they claim they used a model to exclude bias, but also included studies from the period of time. Is there something I need to look at directly. It reads just like any other cannabis study out there.
Here’s how we debate things when we can rub to brain cells together. From the article.
“There was insufficient data for ADHD, bipolar disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and tobacco use disorder. Cannabinoids were associated with a greater risk of all-cause adverse events compared with placebo, but no higher odds of serious adverse events or study withdrawal. This Article systematically evaluates the efficacy and safety of cannabinoids for some of the most common indications that they are used to treat, providing clarity during a time of expanding clinical use. Sleep issues, post-traumatic stress disorder, and depression are some of the leading indications that cannabinoids are used to treat, yet there were only four randomised controlled trials for sleep issues, three for post-traumatic stress disorder, and none for depression that examined cannabinoid efficacy.”
i heard this same argument during covid by anti maskers pointing to whackadoodle “researchers” that were presenting “alternative facts” about the dangers of prolonged mask usage and vaccines.
smoking / eating / drinking cannabis products helps me sleep, get my hunger back, have a few laughs, and relax. i dont use it often. but its there when i need it, and its worked wonders for me. this article also ends with them pushing SSRIs. which is hilarious and obviously suspect because the epstein files revealed how SSRIs were pushed heavily because they make people numb and docile to the fucked up world the epstein class created. and that we all live in.
perhaps the best mode of treatment is to fix the system we live in, instead of removing our ability to even feel that its wrong, or have the motivation to do anything but numbly scroll between memes and drones bombing children.
let people smoke pot if they want, its far better than dealing with a bunch of alcoholics and SSRI zombies who cant cum. lmao.
The SSRI zombies are so keen to try to act like taking pills every days is better than taking cannabis once a week again: and they still can’t get that nut.
My comment wasn’t saying that THC doesn’t have real world benefits, but anecdotal evidence usually isn’t a good counter against research. There’s a reason research is still done on things that “everyone knows is true.”
Take insomnia, for instance. THC might help you go to sleep, but research has shown that it can interfere with REM sleep to lower your overall sleep quality.
But every brain is unique and different substances will affect people differently. There will always be edge cases where people respond to a drug differently than the general population.
In my own anecdotal experience, THC doesn’t treat my anxiety and depression, it just makes me ok with being depressed and anxious while they both get worse. It’s just a form of escapism.
As an aside, never go off of what an article says about a study. They will often misrepresent the results to further an agenda. This was partially bad in vaping research a decade ago.
All of the articles written about the heavy metal study failed to note that the levels were orders of magnitude lower than what was in cigarettes, were significantly below OSHA levels for people working with them on an industrial scale, and in some cases they were lower than atmospheric levels.
Canada legalized pot years ago,and now we have an increasing number of syndromes being defined and having to train ER to recognize.
There is no physiological way to get high and not effect proper neurotransmitters, that’s what high is.
Any population base tested or questioned about cannabis is going to be immediately tainted by the fact that they are fearing for their goddamn freedom when they talk about cannabis.
Anecdotal evidence usually isn’t a better replacement for real evidence. I agree. But we have more anecdotal evidence than studies. Half of this country smokes weed, but we won’t admit to it and we’re not allowed to do test around it and half of us will lose our jobs if anyone found out about it.
You’re being incredibly disingenuous to try to pretend like there are a bunch of valid studies floating around after 100 years of prohibition. Any studies that have been allowed are all politically fucking motivated because they’re all approved by the government that created the prohibition.
You sound like you’re smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. think about it for a second. Your studies are incredibly biased.
Wow, what a strong and well-articulated argument. Reminds me of people who argue that alcohol is an effective treatment for all those ailments.
Theres a difference between using a drug to keep emotional problems within manageable limits while engaging in therapy to arrive at more permanent solutions and abusing it to mask negative emotions as a way to avoid dealing with them. You don’t sound like you appreciate that difference, meaning you’re probably just defending substance abuse and addiction, perhaps as problems in your own life. If so, please seek help. Regardless, you don’t seem to understand the problem.
My favorite thing about treating depression is handing out medicine that has side effects of suicide. Let’s ignore that plant that makes people giggle and give them the numbing pills that increase suicidal ideation in a noticeable number of patients.
There are plenty of antidepressants that don’t have a risk of increases in SI.
Ya like cannabis 🤣🤷♂️🥹🙏💦🌈
We don’t want them treating symptoms of depression as needed, we need them ramping up on a high dose of some drugs, and we need them to stay on those drugs for the rest of their lived life.
Man, you’re so upset about my comment you had to respond to it three separate times? I think you should probably get off the internet or at least Lemmy for a while.
Yea boy that’s how my brain works. If you’re old enough for t9 word and OG twitter you’d get it. I can’t even recall what I commented on at this point so I can assure you I’m not upset. I’d have to double check to see what we were talking about.
So using cannabis in combination with therapy as well as diet, exercise, and community support is an effective way to treat depression? You’re telling me the science suggest multi legged approaches are the best way to manage depression? Cannabis being about as useful as an SSRI without additional treatments?
No, I wouldn’t recommend using THC to manage any emotion because there are more effective drugs with fewer side effects, typically.
What about anxiety or ADHD or OCD or any of the other potential uses outside of PTSD.
You’d recommend it if it was in the pharmacopeia. That’s kind of the point. If you cared about science or medicine, you’d be demanding unbiased testing.
Ending prohibition and studying cannabis on a large scale in population and time seems like a reasonable thing to do unless you’re a damn drug dealer protecting your patented product line…
No, what this boils down to is that pot gets you high and a lot of people abuse it to avoid dealing with their feelings and problems. That is a totally reasonable concern for any healthcare provider to have and for there to be a general preference for prescribing other medications that don’t have those drawbacks.
People ITT are just butthurt about their pro-marijuana politics. And this isn’t the first post in this community I’ve seen featuring politics-laden comments that question real science because it’s inconvenient. My opinion of this community is dropping fast.
Absolutely. Happy to acknowledge the dangers and lack of efficacy: I’d love to see more studies on those too! I’d love to see more studies of large groups of individuals over 20 years.
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I don’t smoke, but I am increasingly skeptical of a lot of these articles and “studies” that seem to have an agenda especially when there’s a lot of money from alcohol and pharmaceutical companies going into manipulating public perception.
Personally, I’d much rather have a bunch of stoners in society than a bunch of alcoholics: I’ve never had to deal with a violent stoner because they smoked too much pot.
This kind of research is great not just for raising cash from the prison industrial complex but also for distracting from the deprivation of human needs and the destruction of the planet… The problems that are actually driving the completely understandable and obvious responses labelled as “behavior disorders”.
