Joseph Stalin was a communist leader inspired by Leon Trotsky
Trotsky was a communist revolutionary and intellectual. He once wrote “In politics, obtaining power and maintaining power justifies anything” in his book “Leur morale et la nôtre”*
In this book, Trotsky justifies the use of lies, infiltration of other political parties, smearing, even hostage taking. He says absolute ruthlesness is necessary to overthrow a hostile system and wield power. He concludes "We are acting for the greater good. We can’t be restrained by normal morality".
Joseph Stalin took Trotsky’s advice literally. So he murdered Trotsky because he saw him as rival. Stalin also started killing people because he believed they could be sympathetic to capitalism or opponents to his power.
Even the secret police themselves were not safe
Everybody was absolutely terrified during this period. At least 500 000 people were murdered. Over 1 million people were deported to Gulags, secret prisons in Siberia, where they worked 12 hours a day.
Joseph Stalin decided to crush Ukraine for resisting communism and supporting independance. In 1933, he seized all Ukraine’s food production [with his giant spoon] including all the bread, the wheat, the cows, the chicken. In the next months, over 5 million Ukrainians were starved to death. The situation was so bad that thousands of people turned to cannibalism. When the Nazis invaded Ukraine, some Ukrainians thought they were saviors
Hitler was a monster, but we really don’t talk enough about how bad Stalin was.
Wow thanks, I’ve never heard any of this before except from the entire mainstream media all my life
Hitler was a monster, but we really don’t talk enough about how bad Stalin was.
we really don’t talk enough about how bad Stalin was
At this point you’d include a rant about Stalin in a wedding toast
At this point you’d include a rant about Stalin in a wedding toast
Poland fact: In Poland even romance books often do include usually unrelated ritual rants against communism.
Hitler was a monster, but
Like looking at a pond and saying how much frogs are gonna love the water I’m afraid
you fucking bet!Quagsire!
Hey that’s me!
Just so you know, some of us are ACE and ACE-adjacent, so we don’t jerk off to the idea of stuff like this, we just get filled with ecstatic glee at the thought of tearing it apart.
I can appreciate blood lust too
I’m a vegan! No animal products; check the labels.
I got a freezer full of reactionaries in my basement
Certified plant-based breakfast. long pork dinner
This shit ain’t nothing to me
Do people usually mean that literally? I thought it was figurative like with circlejerk subreddits…
No, I was just making a joke, don’t worry. (At least, I hope people don’t mean it literally)
even when we’re right we’re wrong
There’s so much to pick apart here, but the last line really gets me:
Hitler was a monster, but we really don’t talk enough about how bad Stalin was
This is soft Holocaust denial, and also completely fucking stupid. Stalin gets talked about so much, by dipshits like you. Were you born yesterday??
And then there’s the lib shit in the comments
Always the way with this sort of thing, they focus on how “bad” Stalin was while downplaying the crimes of the nazis, so they can get their foot in the door with “actually the nazis weren’t that bad” sort of arguments. Anti-communism always leads to fascism sooner or later.
Even though the NSDAP enjoyed cross-class support, they had been particularly successful in mobilizing previous non-voters and those who in previous elections had voted for the two liberal parties, the DNVP, or for the splinter parties.⁹⁷
(Source.)
When the Nazis invaded Ukraine, some Ukrainians thought they were saviors
Stalin was inspired by Leon Kennedy who genocided an entire spanish village to steal their gold and gems
the holodomor was las plagas
Randomly
why would anyone do it randomly you’re making him sound like a fucking batman villain lmao
That’s the point, it’s to dehumanise him, make him into a cartoonishly evil buffoon that you’d have to be a monster to want to say anything positive about. That way anyone trying to educate someone on Stalin or the USSR just ends up being brick walled and dismissed out of hand for supporting an “evil monster”
It sounds goofy, but it is effective at inoculating people against education.
It doesn’t help that there are capitalists like Netanyahu acting as literal walking genocidal villains today.
Exact same trick they use to smear China. I can hear it now, verbatim the same line from multiple libs, “but don’t they have some human rights abuses?” Completely short circuits their thinking, not receptive to anything you say
:joker-stalin:
Over 1 million people were deported to Gulags, secret prisons in Siberia
There were certainly people who were imprisoned secretly (usually high-profile figures, including Yezhov himself before his execution I think), but the gulags were by no means generally secret nor were most of the prisoners there, because it was literally just what
equivalent of the federal prison system waspenal labor camps with a sentence of 3 - 10 years were called for a period. (my bad, see Edie below)Also, it’s kind of weird to call sending someone to prison “deportation,” since it’s not like they were just dumped in the wild when their sentence was up, and if you want to accuse the Soviets of internal deportation, especially to Siberia, they did a ton of that shit and it was usually awful, but it’s weird to use gulags as your example of it.
When the Nazis invaded Ukraine, some Ukrainians thought they were saviors
I once knew a self-described anarchist who said this. It is nothing short of Nazi apologia, because overwhelmingly the only Ukrainians who thought this were fascists and a huge proportion of the remaining population was immediately put on the chopping block. Did the Jews, Poles, and Russians and so on in Ukraine who were slaughtered by Nazis and Ukrainian fascists for being the Wrong Ethnicity feel liberated? Fucking freak shit.
I idly wonder where this specific talking point comes from, but also I feel like it’ll just be useless psychic damage to find out, so I’m not really in a hurry for someone to tell me.
Edit 2: This person might just be a literal teenager, with this breathless Very Important news about the Great Terror like every single person in the US learns in school and/or from conservative think tanks or whatever.
it was literally just what their equivalent of the federal prison system was called
Translated it’s essentially the same name a bunch of states in the US call their prison systems too.
Much like “sharia” law. Foreign word = scary
Just like all the Americans that want to bomb Agrabah for sounding too Muslim
29·6 days agobecause it was literally just what their equivalent of the federal prison system was called for a period.
It seems to me to slightly different than that
if you would consult the chart from chapter 10:
The etymology of GULAG is: “the acronym of Гла́вное управле́ние исправи́тельно-трудовы́х лагере́й (Glávnoje upravlénije ispravítelʹno-trudovýx lageréj, “Chief Administration of Corrective-Labor Camps”)” emphasis mine, as it corresponds directly to the above, specifically the camps under the O.G.P.U. These are where those with harsher sentences were sent, as seen in the chart (3-10 years)
Though, this nuance (as the libs love to say) is probably not to be found in the average person, so every kind of prison just gets called “gulag.”
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How do you do that collapsible formatting?
In the web ui clicking on the ! in a diamond ◇ will paste in the code, otherwise it’s like this:
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I idly wonder where this specific talking point comes from
The CIA if I had to guess
Well, the original original source is probably the Nazis themselves and the OUN-B, but I don’t know who the modern purveyor of the myth is.
Over 1 million people were deported to Gulags, secret prisons in Siberia, where they worked 12 hours a day.
This one is very funny, because most of the work prisoners in gulags did was to farm and build housing for themselves, to literally make their prison experience more tolerable. It’s not like modern US prisons where they are used as slave labour. Also, 12 hours a day would’ve seemed like an amazing improvement for factory workers in the west at the time.
I love how every time they get close to an actual “fact” about how bad the Soviet Union was, it often wasn’t that bad, or was bad, but nowhere near as bad as literally any capitalist country on earth at the time. Probably why they just lie nonstop most of the time, because any actual factoid they remove from context, once put into the context of what was going on at the time, makes both the USSR and Stalin seem actually pretty reasonable or at least understandable.
I think the most hilarious thing about all of this is trying to blame Trotsky for creating Stalin, like that is a double whammy of pissing off both MLs and Trots, at once, that is hard to do, well done.
inspired by Leon Trotsky
this changes everythign
The greatest compliment any student can pay his master, is to surpass him.
Glad to see the CIA is embracing open source software now instead of Reddit, good for them
fediverseYesterday: judge rules that radio liberty shutdown was illegal
Today:
Some Ukrainians thought the nazis were saviours.
Yes, that would be the fascists.
Lemmyworld continuing on 1930 nazi propaganda work, making the bots at
proud.he seized all Ukraine’s food production [with his giant spoon] including all the bread, the wheat, the cows, the chicken. In the next months
just like me at the buffet fr, fr.
where they worked 12 hours a day.
oh hey I nearly missed that.
quoting Сталинские стройки ГУЛАГа, 1930-1953, eds Кокурин А.И. & Ю.Н. Моруков, page 61
Приказом начальника Дмитлага № 10 от 9 октября 1932 г. были объявлены сле дующие правила внутреннего распорядка жизни лагеря:
подъем в 5 часов 30 минут;
завтрак с 5 часов 45 минут до 6 часов 30 минут;
развод на работу с 6 часов 30 минут до 7 часов;
рабочий день с 7 до 17 часов;
обед с 17 до 19 часов;
с 19 до 22 часов — время, предоставленное для работы КВЧ;
с 22 часов 5 минут — отбой и сон.
translated with deepl
By Order No. 10 of the Dmitlag Commander dated October 9, 1932, the following internal camp regulations were announced:
wake-up at 5:30 a.m.;
breakfast from 5:45 a.m. to 6:30 a.m.;
Assembly for work from 6:30 a.m. to 7:00 a.m.;
Workday from 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.;
Dinner from 5:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.;
From 7:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. — time allocated for [cultural and educational component] work;
From 10:05 p.m. — lights out and sleep.
So in this camp, in 1932, the labour day was 10 hours.
(КВЧ is “культурно-воспитательная часть”)
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Oh hey, that’s the one factoid I thought was actually based in reality. Turns out it was not, so literally every claim they made was just a flat out lie. Weird how anti-communists keep doing that.
Here on page 2 (3 of the PDF) is another camp (1951-1955) that also had 10 hour shifts: https://web.archive.org/web/20230328014642/https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80T00246A032000400001-1.pdf
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This has the same vocabulary as a children’s book
Hitler was a monster, but we really don’t talk enough about how bad Stalin was.
Lol these people make these slander posts of Stalin more often than they think of Hitler.
