They’d be pretty inept if they didn’t.
They also probably thought about shit with Russia/Ukraine
I’d also not be surprised to see some more 9/11 shit in the US. They disassembled a lot of our security infra and put idiots in charge of things.
That’s true, he stole our spy police and made them race police
All police are race police.
I’d also not be surprised to see some more 9/11 shit in the US. They disassembled a lot of our security infra and put idiots in charge of things.
I’m reasonably certain that was the goal. They need to manufacture a crisis so they can get as close to a full government bypass as possible. I only hope if it happens, it isnt nuclear or dirty… And if it has to be anywhere… Somewhere directly responsible for the renewed hate.
So much for nuclear proliferation… even as a Canadian I feel we should pursue nuclear weapons now. Then I know USA wouldn’t just invade us one day when Trump gets mad about something petty.
Did you not get the message that nuclear proliferation was over when the U.S. toppled Libya or when Russia invaded Ukraine twice?
Using nukes and watching the radioactive fallout cover Israel would be classic Trump.
He should have a front row seat for a better view.
Huh.
You know, I was aware about how fucking stupid and awful things are but it never once occurred to me that yes Trump and his yes men are in office and they do have access to nukes.
Like yeah. I knew that, that’s obvious. But it never once occurred to me that thier use would ever be in play. I never thought anyone, no matter how stupid and depraved would use them.
I’m not surprised. But at the same time. I am.
The threat has been there since Trump said he wanted to resume nuclear weapon testing even though every expert said it was an absolutely terrible idea.
He wants to order a nuclear strike on something. He’s been trying to find the right excuse.
Im the opposite, it was the first thing i thought of when he made that speech in january, when he became president again. I hope there are powerful people in the military who will refuse to use nuclear weapons, because otherwise they are more insane than i realized.
Tbf it could be Israel that drops a nuke, but same difference.
Honestly, unless they do it without Trump’s knowledge, I don’t think Trump would pass up the opportunity of being the one to press the button.
Obviously, geographically it would come from Israel. But Trump would definitely want to be given the “glory”.
Do you think they are gonna gold leaf a trivia buzzer for that slobbering idiot to paw at while he continues to pretend he’s in a movie?
I hope so
Cancer for you and I and malformities of our grandkids.
And 2 pariah states with legacies they will never outlive.
Grandkids? If nukes go off I’d say like 1% or less of the current population, that don’t have kids already, end up having grandkids.
I think if anyone is going to use a nuclear weapon, it’ll be israel.
The US can pull out, president man-baby can write a fanfiction about himself winning the war, and all his thugs can turn their attention to some other debacle, but israel will always be within range of Iranian missiles.
Without US support (and many Americans, even some of the really evil ones, have had enough of israel at this point) it could end up facing an existential threat. They’ve shown again and again that they have absolutely no regard for human life, and they don’t even seem to consider blowback most of the time. I believe israel going “Samson option” is by far the most likely nuclear scenario.
Nuclear weapons are great at leveling cities, but not so great at destroying military infrastructure. On a per-dollar basis they actually kind of suck as weapons of war. From a purely rational strategic perspective, they’re most useful as a deterrent (which is how Israel has been using them). Netanyahu is an imperialist genocidal maniac but he’s not dumb.
Whereas if and when Trump does get his wish to pop a nuke, it won’t be for strategic gain but because he just couldn’t be restrained anymore. This absolute moron wanted to nuke a fucking hurricane FFS. It’s only a matter of time before he gets his wish since the US military has lost all ability to tell him no.
Israel has already shown their willingness to flatten cities and a blatant disregard for civilian life. Their president and a large majority of citizens believe “there are no innocents in Gaza”, and that every child born is “already a terrorist from the moment of his birth”.
Israel would consider a launch far before the US ever would. The US can sail away to safety whenever they choose, but Israel cannot. In the event Israel suffers enough damage, the Samson Option would be considered.
So that’s making a very critical assumption: that Israel’s territory is being existentially threatened. Iran simply does not have the military capability to do that. And Hamas/Hezbollah is not an existential threat to Israel’s existence despite propaganda to the contrary. We’ve already seen the full extent of their military capabilities.
The Samson Option is a one time, last-resort deterrence option for when all other defensive and offensive mechanisms have failed. Israel’s small size and geopolitical situation basically requires such deterrence against a neighbor who might decide to blitzkrieg into Tel Aviv. Iran simply does not possess that capability.
If Netanyahu pops a nuke for any other reason, he fundamentally shifts his neighbors’ calculus in favor of uniting and attacking Israel because nukes are explicitly not a last resort anymore, therefore Israel becomes an immediate existential threat to all its neighbors that must be dealt with accordingly.
That’s the thing with nuclear deterrence: it works, but only if your enemies are clear on the lines they can’t cross. Otherwise you’re just a threat to be eliminated. And ultimately there’s only so much that propaganda can help with there. Israel may have convinced a majority of their citizens that genocide is good, but they can’t propagandize their enemies into believing that preemptive nuclear strikes are necessary. Netanyahu can whine about Iran’s nuclear program all he wants, none of his enemies seriously believe they are close to having nukes.
Using nuclear weapons as anything but a last resort is therefore an awful gamble that very significantly (if not entirely) weakens nuclear deterrence… All for relatively little military gain. There’s very little a nuke would do that Israel can’t do to Iran with conventional weapons. While there’s a whole lot that nukes don’t do to a prepared enemy with spread out military and command infrastructure.
So that’s making a very critical assumption: that Israel’s territory is being existentially threatened. Iran simply does not have the military capability to do that.
Israel already claims that every one of their neighbors is an existential threat to their existence. The truth of the matter is irrelevant, as it is Israel that decides whether or not to launch Israel’s nukes. They do not have enough interceptors to indefinitely outlast Iran’s missiles and drones. Their defenses are failing to prevent direct strikes on targets in Israel, which the Israeli population are largely unaccustomed to. It is unlikely that the idea of suffering a prolonged bombardment would be popular or deemed acceptable. Iran will be hesitant to negotiate, because US and Israel have a history of attacking during negotiations.
Israel’s small size and geopolitical situation basically requires such deterrence against a neighbor who might decide to blitzkrieg into Tel Aviv. Iran simply does not possess that capability.
Last time I checked, there are many small countries without nukes that are doing just fine. For decades, Israel has launched attacks on their neighbors, all while vehemently claiming that they are actually the ones being unjustly persecuted.
There’s very little a nuke would do that Israel can’t do to Iran with conventional weapons. While there’s a whole lot that nukes don’t do to a prepared enemy with spread out military and command infrastructure.
Nobody is debating the tactical or strategic usefulness of a nuclear strike. Possession of nukes is strategic, but their use is not. Israel has already used the equivalent of 6 nuclear bombs on Gaza. They target schools, hospitals, cultural sites, journalists, first responders, and everything else which is supposedly held sacred. They have already displayed an appetite for complete destruction.
Using nuclear weapons as anything but a last resort is therefore an awful gamble
Using nuclear weapons on population centers (Samson Option) is always unacceptable.
Israel has already shown a willingness to commit the crimes we associate with the use of a nuclear warhead (and more), and their leadership has an ever worsening victim complex. It would be tragic, but not unsurprising, if Israel launched a nuclear attack against Iran after suffering heavy bombardment from their enemies.
This is not a humanitarian or ethics question. The rules of nuclear warfare aren’t governed by morality but by game theory. From Israel’s perspective nuclear weapons are a last resort for the reasons I outlined. Their leadership and military may be genocidal, but they still have a sense of self-preservation and act somewhat rationally – which you will notice is not at all the same thing as acting morally or honestly. Using nuclear weapons is simply not a tactically rational option for them even if when their explicit goal is genocidal imperialism.
What’s scary about Trump is that none of this applies to him. He is not a rational actor and he does not have everything to lose were he to launch a nuclear strike against Iran.
This is not a humanitarian or ethics question
From Israel’s perspective nuclear weapons are a last resort
Correct.
Their leadership and military may be genocidal, but they still have a sense of self-preservation and act somewhat rationally
Genocide isn’t perpetuated by rational thinkers, is not an act of self preservation, and does not protect the wellbeing of it’s perpetrators. The absurdity of this cannot be understated.
I am not making a moral argument. I am stating Israel has shown the depravity to use tactics of absolute destruction and barbarity, an established doctrine promoting the use of nuclear arms if Israel were to take heavy damage, and the fact that Israel is taking significant damage as their defenses continue to weaken as additional fronts open. These are all key requirements for the use of nuclear arms by Israel, and they are increasingly being met. Suggesting the US is more likely to deploy nuclear weapons from their position of relative safety is just laughable.
Bibi and Trump are both desperate and fueled by their own selfish motivations. That being said it’s not a question of stupidity but rather of myopic self-preservation.
That’s the point, I can’t see how it would help Netanyahu with self-preservation. Going nuclear would be unpopular and ineffective as Israelis understand that their arsenal is more effective in a “will they won’t they” deterrence capacity. He wants constant war and doesn’t need nukes to get it.
Now what he might do is convince Trump to send nukes and pretend he had nothing to do with it. It’s not like Trump is hard to manipulate and Miller probably loves the idea to begin with.
Prolongs their prosecutions and distracts public opinion as well as the attention thereof. Introducing a novel geopolitical climate would insulate them further in allowing them to hedge their grips on power to the new realities they introduce and define. In this case, nuclear war. Notably, this environment would allow for institutional and private wealth to make a fortune off of the volatility in global financial markets (which is already occurring) and further consolidate both wealth and power. There seems to be a 18-19 year cycle for this type of thing (Kuznets Cycle/Swing). IMHO If this scenario occurs it’ll be sometime between March 20th-28th or May 3rd-8th.
edit: goddamnit this timeline fucking sucks
If they beat the India-Pakistan tension. Both of them have nukes and could get very desperate with a war about resources, like water.
You must be a well adjusted person and don’t follow his speeches or interviews a lot.
If you’re as brain rotted as me you’ll learn his “jokes” or “I’m not saying buts” are him testing responses to actual things he wants to do.
He has been talking about “the N word” (Nuclear) for awhile. He wants to be a president that is remembered. He doesn’t view history as a person with morality would. He does not care if he’s remembered as a Hitler. He definitely would drop a nuke if the opportunity presented itself.
The only thing stopping him is the restraint of people in his admin. Not the people we see on TV. But the actual military leaders. And these military leaders are not moral either. They are simply concerned with whether is it strategically helpful to use one. Nukes are really not useful in warfare. I think this is literally the last line of sanity that keeps it from happening. We are all relying on war crazed genocide supporting military leaders to not see it as a good strategic option.
However, Iran is different. Trump cannot admit it was a mistake. His ego will not let him. And the military cannot secure trade routes without boots on the ground and tens of thousands of American military deaths.
So, well, those military leaders are being put in a corner. My only hope is that a military coup would be much more reasonable to them than dropping nukes. Trump wants to drop a nuke. But he wants to drop “the best nuke”. The “most strategic nuke”. Something that he will make him a great figure in his mind. Not a good figure. Not a moral figure. But in anyway that will be remembered with importance.
I hope someone can convince him that dropping a classic would be best and then we have a sideshow Bob situation
Iran at this point is likely going to be forced to make a sprint for the bomb. What else are they supposed to do, just accept that Israel will periodically bomb them every few months and kill thousands of people each time? The only path Iran has to security is nukes.
At the same time, it seems now that Israel and the US really don’t have a way of preventing Iran from getting the bomb. The US, let alone Israel, doesn’t even have a military large enough to occupy Iran. And any attempted occupation of Iran would be Iraq times ten. Wave after wave of suicide bombers and IEDs.
Israel and the the US have put Iran in the position where it really needs to push for nukes. At the same time, Israel and the US really don’t have any good way to prevent Iran from finishing their weapons program. They already have highly enriched uranium, and it’s a giant country with countless places to hide centrifuges and bomb-making equipment. The US and Israel are really good at hacking communications and locating potential targets, but I imagine the Iranian regime is quickly moving entirely to analog methods of communication. Literally bringing out the typewriters. I really don’t see how the US and Israel can really stop the Iranians from getting the bomb.
No way…except one. If Iran really wants to push for nukes, the only way to really stop them would be to use nukes against them. You might not be able to find a bomb program divided and scattered in a hundred locations across Tehran, but that doesn’t matter if you simply make Tehran cease existing in its entirety.
That’s what has me so worried about this. The US and Israel are simultaneously forcing Iran to rush for the bomb, while at the same time, the US and Israel have no real conventional method to prevent the Iranians from finishing their nukes.
I can think of an effective way to keep iran from getting nuclear weapons. Agree to and honor a treaty.
What do you mean we tried that and it was working until dipshit donny interfered
Trump has shown time and again that his agreements are worthless.
In fact this war was launched in the middle of negotiations that were going very well and we’re likely to result in anti nuclear deal that was even better than the Obama one
There’s always a way out. Iran could pull a crazy and offer to let oil through if the US stops supporting Israel, builds as much power generation as they want, and enters a defense agreement to protect Iran from unprovoked foreign attacks.
There is always room for diplomacy.
Usa stop supporting israel lol surely you jest. Our politicians have been payed off for the last 50 years just google the presidents kissing the wall no just team red or blue its all of them.
Get real. Israel possesses high-definition video of half of our business and political leaders fucking literal children. Epstein was an Israeli intelligence operation created to control the American ruling class.
If enough people are guilty then it doesn’t really matter anymore. It can’t be a weaponized political tool at that point.
Yeah, no. Even in this climate, video of a politician fucking a literal child would tank their political career at a minimum.
“That’s not me, it’s AI generated”
That wasn’t very hard to come up with and it’s a lot less stupid than a bunch of other stuff Americans believe
There is no more room for diplomacy when the ones you have to agree with have already backstabbed you before. Donald trump is the biggest problem this world has currently. Even less reliable and less predictable than Putin. Why won’t these old men just die already. Trump is clearly demented on top of being stupid and an asshole.
I’ve been thinking they’ll use the nukes since they started this thing.
All they know is escalation, and eventually when they run out of other ideas that one is a pretty big escalation to try out.
Same. The rest of NATO would condemn it and kick us out, but they’re not going to retaliate. Russia and China aren’t going to retaliate. It’s a chance to do it and get away with it to the sounds of condemnation but no direct consequences to the people who order it. It allows them to project their power and willingness to go to the extreme. I don’t even think it would be a move of desperation as much as a “because we can”. They love to be perceived as intimidating and project strength.
If the US nukes Iran I want my government to sever all ties. No matter the amount of damage that does to us, you cannot let that shit pass.
I wish more nations would start severing ties currently, or at least sanctioning, imposing tariffs, refusing to do business with American based businesses. Hopefully people in other nations are already avoiding purchasing as much US product as they can. It won’t bankrupt the oligarchs but it’ll get passed on to the rest of us. Conservatives will abide all sorts of cruelty and injustice so long as people they don’t like are getting hurt. But you’ll never find a bigger “victim” than a conservative when the leopards arrive. His loyalists won’t turn on him but the ones who tolerated the hate because they thought it would benefit them will, and if they have to suffer business losses, foreclosures, and poverty as a result, good.
If the US nukes Iran I want an embargo. I live in California. Y’all fuckers better make a godsdamned example if it happens, just I would appreciate if y’all didn’t nuke me back. Or if you do, please send coordinates in advance so’s I can decide how much more ghoulification to go through
I’ve been waiting for this particular shoe to drop since 2016.
The US dropped 88,500 tonnes of bombs in Iraq. That was over twice Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.
I’m not going to say what the IS did in Iraq was good, but it wasn’t nuclear bombs bad.
They did use depleted uranium rounds, so they did spread radioactive waste indiscriminately, but the scale is very different.
Ya I WAS in that boat, till I found out he a pedo bb eater. Now it’s very probable, he has to win. If one goes down, they all do and they know that.
I’m honestly surprised the threat of such hasn’t come up before this.
I think it has and we just haven’t heard about it.
the US has used them before…
I mean recently… Obviously.
stop thinking like that. ww2 was recent; there are folks still alive suffering from it. on a “national age scale” 80 years is nothing.
the US pivoted so hard to make the war make a lot of profit for a lot of people / businesses who are still operating today. it was a capitalist dream, here in the states.
This provoked an interesting question for me…What is the median age of a United Nations member state?
Short answer is ~64 years old. That aligns to post-WWII decolonization efforts in Africa, with another spike in the 80s/90s as the Soviet Union broke up
It is a long time ago in terms of how long nuclear weapons have been around, to be fair. The weapons we have today are not like the ones dropped on Japan.
for sure. they are so much worse. trump was born in 1946. his parents were “around” for the first bombs. i’m trying to say it was not long ago. Heck I’m 46. A lot has happened in 46 years. But my dob is closer to the US nuking two cities to try and scare russia than it is to my age now…
I think Trump will seriously threaten with nukes but he won’t actually use them because Russia will MAD back Iran.
Otherwise they would genuinely consider using tactical nukes for instant victory.
I’m pretty confident Russia isn’t going to launch nukes on the US if the US uses them on Iran, unless I misunderstood what you said.
Maybe not on the US but the bases it has surrounding Iran and definitely would use them in Ukraine.
I hope you are right. And it makes sense.
On the other hand, that orange child rapist has the temperament of an insane toddler, and wants to be remembered. At the moment he’s remembered mostly for being in cahoots with Epstein and for protecting paedos etc etc, so what better way to change that than by using a nuke on Iran…
If history tells us anything that person is wrong. That was the same thought process in 1914.
Here’s the Politico article that this article from The Independent cites and takes the most sensational part of for its headline.
The nuclear threat that Balkhy talks about is mainly potential fallout from strikes on nuclear sites. She also mentions a nuclear weapon because both aggressors have them, but you can tell she’s plainly focused on the former.
Both aggressors . U.S and Israel both have nukes. Iran does not.
But China does.
Not boring. Like the sort of opposite really.
They’d be stupid not to prepare.
How?
I just know the orange and the drunk clown would get hard from the thought of using nukes if they still could get hard.
I honestly would be shocked if herr trump didnt use a nuke
Yet begged for a Nobel piece prize. And was offered her’s by one of his sycophants. The fact he thinks it’s some kinda brag goes to show just how much of a joke the non academic Nobel prizes really are.
Yeah the nobel prize peace prize is fucking laughable, I believe the science ones are still legit, though correct me if I am wrong.
he likely wants a GOLD plated nuke button in the oval office.
Nukes should be treated like fine China. You only break them out when you have visitors. The visitors needed for nukes are hostile aliens.
“Dammit this planet has fire ants!”
I can only think of one alien a nuke worked 100% on.
And fuck you, Sally.
I am confuse because when I think Sally and space I think Sally Ride and she does not deserve those words.
It’s from the movie Oblivion.
ah, gotcha
Spaceballs? Oh, shit. There goes the planet.
Just wait till 2027 please. I need GTA VI to curb this shit reality
2027 is China invasion of Taiwan. I think GTA VI will release this coming 2050.
2050: Oops, all Skyrim!
What wonderful news!
So what would you do if you ordered a nuclear strike on a foreign country and then you flew your private extortion jet liner to get to your bunker, you run out of the plane…there’s not much time left they tell you. So you keep running into the bunker and you tell the guard thank you for your sacrifice. He starts closing the door from outside for you. You keep running down the stairs and then you hear several hundred farts go off. Can’t pay attention but reach bottom of bunker. You hear the door final close after the farts. You reach the bottom to find an empty concrete room, epoxy coating finish. At the center there is a table and on it half a milkyway chocolate bar. You hear all sorts of banging. Then silence.
Hours later your sort of hungry so you eat the milkyway. Pretty good you think to yourself, considering the destruction you just unleashed. That’s until a few minutes later when you realize you got the runs! You can’t go opening the door! There’s fall out outside! So you poop in the corner. You also gotta pee! Fine just pee on the wall. But the floor is super level so it just spreads out along. Mixing with poo, the smell is mild, almost tolerable now.
Fine! You tell yourself… I must open the first door and knock on the outside just to see if anyone is still alive. I’m kind of hungry actually… Open the stairs door…pew! It stinks like a god would smell wet and smeared in rotten eggs. Dam! Now the entire place smells of fart! You must escape! Get fresh air and food! Fall out won’t be here for another 30 minutes! You can make it! Run! Fucker! Run! Pant a little your fat ass! Run! Shit, these stair are steep! Finally the vault door! Turn it! Except you can’t… They’ve locked you in there! LOL
Everyone is in on it. Everyone watched you eat the rancid milkyway! Everyone saw you waddling on your own poop. They saw your face when you got the farts. Yes! It was us all along! Now festivities! Or maybe we’re all dead. Give up for now. You’ll get stronger tomorrow and maybe, just maybe you’ll be able to open the door and get pizza.
by the US. the only country to have ever used them before too.
