• BigBenis@lemmy.world
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    As an American, this gives me the ick. We can’t just go back to the way things were when Trump is gone and expect the world to be cool with us. We need some serious systematic reform before anybody should dare trust us again.

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        Tried and convicted, along with all the media owners and joe rogans - just like Germany did following ww2

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        From a foreign point of view, your entire political system needs to be dismantled. It’s very obviously broken.

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          Exactly. The Democratic party is just as corrupt and beholden to special interests. Nothing is going to change until money is removed from politics and media owners removed, it’ll never get better.

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    As an American, fuck this cowardly shit. Enough people voted for this or didn’t vote at all to make it happen. Americans walked right into fascism through laziness or complicity. Democrats in Congress are doing next to nothing to fight back against this regime because they don’t want to upset their SuperPAC donors. They’re relying on a windfall during the midterms so that they can get into power and then still do nothing like they have been doing since Reagan. A government is a reflection of the people in a democracy. We made our bed and now we have to lie in it. We cannot expect others to clean up the messes we create or to excuse our bad behavior when it’s inconvenient for us. This “but I’m one of the good ones” take isn’t good enough. Resistance has to be more than op-eds and impassioned speeches. We bombed a school. We killed innocent children. I have not heard a single other person in my life try to cope with the guilt of that. Our discussions lasted as long as the news cycle and everyone just moved on. My tax dollars help pay for a bloated military budget that was used to end the lives of little kids on the other side of the planet who were just trying to go to school. We as a people need to sit with the reality of that and process the guilt instead of immediately finding reasons we should be excused. Maybe after some self reflection on actions and consequences, will we make better choices.

    I love Robert Reich, but he should know better. The world needs to deal with the US skeptically from now until we clean up our house. Until we get rid of Citizens United and big money in politics. Until we shore up our gerrymandered districts. Until we deal with healthcare in our country in a real, meaningful way. Until we start taking care of those who own the least and stop catering to those who own the most, we should be handled with a ten-foot pole by the rest of the world. How can we say anything about the splinter in any other country’s eye while we have a log in ours?

  • Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca
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    Until you get rid of trump and the republican party I am not interacting with the usa in any way. I have not spent one penny on anything from usa since he stole the election.

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    I have spent the majority of my life playing a four year cycle of “please don’t be fucking stupid”. I’m 47. I’m sick of this shit. Fix your fucking country.

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    We all agree that German civilians were complicit in the Holocaust right? There were of course brave ones who died fighting the Nazi party take over or worked to evacuate Jewish people in secret but the rest got swept up and went along with it. So what’s the difference here?

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    Your spokesperson represents you as your voice and your image abroad.

    And your image abroad is …not good.

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    As an American, fuck us. Trump is just a symptom of the disease, if we get rid of him and “go back to normal” then the world should expect someone like him to appear again, for all the same reasons.

    We need your help fighting the global climate crisis.

    I don’t like the framing of this because it makes it sounds like we’re somehow the leaders on this when we’re putting out 285% the per capita carbon emissions compared to the global average. It’s the same for the other stuff.

    We have no grounds to ask anybody for anything until we get our shit together. And that means, at minimum, dealing with the far right and removing the influence of money on politics. We do not need anybody’s help projecting the influence of our diseased system globally.

    Frankly, the fact that Trump has managed to convince the world not to support us in Iran the way they supported us in Iraq and Afghanistan is not an entirely bad thing, because we don’t need to be fucking around in any of those places and we don’t need anybody enabling us. Please don’t ever bail us out of anything we get into because of our stupid, evil military adventurism. We need to start feeling the consequences of our actions, or we’ll never learn.

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      100% agree, Americans are not blameless in this at all and they need to realize that. Respectfully, we’ll take your country seriously after you reform your democracy into something more robust and stable.

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      we’re putting out 285% the per capita carbon emissions compared to the global average

      That’s probably discounting what it took to produce all the tsatskes in the first place, since the US pays China to eat that statistic.

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    The author completely misses the point. Trump does in fact represent you. That’s how your system works.

    But beyond that, the problem is deeper than him. He’s a symptom, not the disease. If the vaunted checks and balances worked, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. If there were a meaningful opposition, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. There were countless failures along the way that allowed the situation to get to where it is.

    Even if you elect someone sane next time, there’s no guarantee it won’t happen again.

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      This is the thing I keep trying to explain to my fellow americans. Noone seems to grasp, we cannot keep the power, we can’t be trusted with it, and anyone hoping we can go back is priming the world for larger disasters.

      Going back doesn’t cure the disease, its suppressing the symptoms. But the remission can’t last, it’ll come back stronger and more deadly.

      Trump 2.0 is all the proof you need after we tried to go back with Biden.

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      Yeah nah he doesn’t miss the point, Reich gets it.

      This is white American privilege at its peak. There’s no consideration at all of the outsiders position despite him knowing it; America first and this is a fair, reasonable ask. One they don’t afford others.

      I absolutely agree with the rest though, Trump’s a symptom, the cause is baked in. They’ll vote similar in again, if they get another shot. I’m done with the default position of trust. Now the society’s laid bare their weirdness makes a lot of sense.

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    We are trying our best to resist him, contain him and remove him from office as quickly as we possibly can

    No you’re fucking not.

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      Many USians kept posting on Reddit that Russians should’ve protested harder to remove Putin from power and prevent the war in Ukraine. So I guess they imagine that it’s how authoritarianism is solved.

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      If what they are doing is really “their best” then they are truly fucked.

      And, frustratingly, they’ll take the rest of us down with them.

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        If they take the rest of the world with them, then we are not doing enough to have our politicians free ourselves from dependencies like these. It’s not only the USA. China, Russia are the same

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      We are trying our best to resist him, contain him and remove him from office as quickly as we possibly can

      No you are not. You’re eating fried chicken and attending sports events. The Indy 500 has now turned into the Nuremberg rally.

      No one even questions why tens of millions of taxpayer dollars are pissed away on car sponsorship while toilets don’t even work in theatre of war.

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      Yea it’s the second election that gets me. That was the exact moment it was “majority of Americans are stupid”.

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        Don’t overestimate the legitimacy of US elections. Voter repression is rife, before even getting into media ownership laws.

        There are literally decades of news stories about people in majority black areas waiting hours to vote, even 11 hours. Imagine trying to do that if you’re sick or disabled, which is more likely when you’re a minority. Or if your job can fire you at will because there are no protections. Then there’s the gerrymandering to make that vote worthless anyway. And the voter ID laws, which again are harder for people from minority backgrounds to comply with. The corruption is systemic and started in the foundations.

        The Obama and Biden administrations also chose not to pursue these problems. They didn’t want to set the “political witchhunt” precedent that conservative media were warning about.

        Next election, I expect to hear about huge quantities of ICE “observers” at polling places.

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        I remember him abandoning an entire event on the campaign trail for an interview or something.

        Another where he had them hit the music and he just swayed silently on the stage.

        Watching him win again was surreal, even if we can ignore his entire clusterfuck of a first term.

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          I’m still convinced there was serious vote fraud in the 3 swing states that flipped for only him, but not for other republicans on the ticket. Too weird.

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            Musk was just announced to have violated the voting laws in Georgia. He also set up fake raffles in swing states and (maybe) gave a couple dicks a million bucks.

            Don himself bregge that Elon is really smart about voting machines.

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        They areent stupid. They excuse themselves with stupidity to avoid responsibility.

        They walked into this eyes wide open. They CHOSE this. Don’t fall for their ‘we are stupid’ excuse.

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          It was literally the result of a publicity stunt to keep The Apprentice on the air. He paid a crowd in front of Trump tower and the whole country bought it.

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      Yeah, I don’t see much sympathy for Russians from USians, but apparently they want some when they had actual elections and chose Trump.

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    How can anyone ever trust us as a country again? We’ve proven that every 4 years is a gamble where an insane moron could be put in charge. We’ve gone back on our word and betrayed our allies multiple times. If I were another country, I wouldn’t trust us ever again either.

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    1/3 of the citizens voted for him, another third didn’t care enough to vote. They are all the same. And America is a continent, not a country. They don’t deserve to monopolize the name of an entire continent for themselves.

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      2/3 directly and indirectly supported him, even with all his bullshit he still as 2/5 support. I’m pretty sick of Americans with this “We’re not all assholes” vibe. They are doing NOTHING to stop him.

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    Overthrow him and his whole crooked regime, then we’ll talk.