I am a refuge from reddit, as I understand it, incompletely, lemmy is it’s own thing, piefed is a new one, with some differences in moderation and moderator tools. Lemmy has a lot of tankie influence is a big factor, communists, they are kind of dicks, to put it lightly. I think there is a third one too, they can all talk to each other on here.
Tankies give communists a bad name. I’m a communist and I made a communist piefed instance to get away from the tankies
Many of the people on ml and hexbear are cool, I had good conversations. But the leadership as such is the problem. You are right, there is nothing wrong with communists, these guys are tools of fascists. You better believe it. And china is not communist.
My first account on my first day or so I said something on one of their threads, thinking they were just super politically correct leftists, and they jumped all over me. Followed me around for months, the entire time I was on that instance really, some made non tankie instance accounts just to troll me. Pathetic really, but I got sick of it, I can give better than they can but I don’t want to get in pissing matches with trolls all the time.
They’ve actually never followed me out of their echo chambers I think because the light is bright and it hurts their eyes.
You see, I didn’t know they were communists, so didn’t see why they would be offended by my comment, so defended it, like 50 replies if not more to hundreds of comments from multiple users jumping on my shit, until one of the cool ones explained to me they were communists mostly living outside the US, so I started ignoring them. But one of their enforcer types demanded I apologize and I told him to eat a dick or something, so that didn’t help.
They’re not communists, they’re Stalinists. Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society. They want the people’s authoritarian regime to step on their necks with the people’s boot. Communism has been successfully practiced for 60,000 years, but every tankie state either collapses or goes capitalist.
As I called them when they insulted me, the long palsied arm of russian intelligence.
I’ve banned plenty of authoritarians from MULTIVERSE for spouting propaganda on off-instance communities. Our users don’t have to see that kind of stuff.
I was against any sort of censorship of other groups, until I got a taste of those guys, not just .ml, the worst are hexbear in my experience. The thing is a lot of their users are actually cool, but there is like a hierarchy, it’s not a collective so much as a top down operation, with enforcers or sorts. Their users need permission to accept a new theory on something. But you can have some good conversations, until the enforcers notice you again. You almost have to cut these guys off, there’s a danger doing that to too many groups over disagreements and making echo chambers, but as others pointed out, not defederating has led new users to be chased off the site after being abused by those dickheads.
This rant is one of the most pathetic things I’ve seen come out of Lemmy.
Any time someone says “communism is a classless, moneyless, stateless society” I assume they don’t know what they are talking about. It is wrong; not factually, but in logical sequence. It is a dogma indicative of mechanical and undialectical thinking.
Communism does indeed aspire to be classless, moneyless, and stateless. But not as a starting point, and not in any arbitrary way. Communism is not a manifestation of those abstractions. It is the other way around: communism, being a concrete form of society, through its real historical development would necessarily possess those general features.
It’s a bit like saying, dogmatically: an elephant is defined as an animal weighing several tons.
Yes, that is a fact about elephants. It does not explain how an animal comes to be an elephant or why it weighs that much. It also does not help us distinguish an elephant from any other equivalent mass, say, a car.
The hard work is not in identifying general features about communist society, but in understanding the conditions of its development.
If someone asks what an elephant is, they’re told it’s a large mammal with tusks and big ears. If someone asks what communism is, they’re told it’s a classless, stateless, moneyless society.
Describing communism in a definitional way is not illogical in any sense of the word. It just isn’t useful or helpful without the hard work you allude to. Or in the case of an elephant, maybe a picture or two.
It’s summed up in that well-known line from the German Ideology:
Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence.
If someone is curious about communism, the most important thing to teach them is historical materialism; namely that (1) the form of society changes according to material conditions, (2) it is possible to intentionally change those conditions. Communism is the conscious application of historical materialism by the oppressed.
It is bad pedagogy to start from abolition of class, state, and money. It leads to revisionism because those are not unique to communism. It’s not any kind of abolition, but a specific development that results in their abolition. Most forms of anarchism, maybe even anarcho-capitalism would fit those vague criteria.
Yes, if someone is curious and wants to understand it, the definition is insufficient. Yes, starting an academic discussion with such a definition is bone-headed. But you’ve plainly claimed that merely stating the definition belies a probable lack of Marxist comprehension which is bizarre and untrue.
I can appreciate the quote you delivered, it is eloquent and useful and enlightening. But I insist that the word “communism” in common parlance is not a fetish with magical properties. It has a valid definition and using that definition absolutely does not mean someone doesn’t understand historical materialism nor dialectics.
I’m reacting to this comment from the post: https://lemmy.world/post/44479707/22761198
@Grail@multiverse.soulism.net: They’re not communists, they’re Stalinists. Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society. They want the people’s authoritarian regime to step on their necks with the people’s boot. Communism has been successfully practiced for 60,000 years, but every tankie state either collapses or goes capitalist.
Do you see how such “common parlance” aids reactionary thought in this comment? It is not a rare example. This “definition” is a vulgarization found nowhere in Marx. Neither does it follow Marx’s dialectical method of analysis. Why do you say it is a valid definition?
Liberals break down immediately when confronted with the idea that the word “communist” could mean more than one thing and the meaning depends on context. It’s as if you went up to someone and said “I dig those shoes, where’d you get them?” and their response is to start crying and say, “don’t you dare dig my shoes! No shovels! I need these to live!”
God forbid they ask the communists on the communism sites what their positions are.
I want to know who hexbear’s “enforcers” are, according to that person talking about how some hexbears are cool, until the “enforcers” get involved. Do they just mean power posters? Do they mean anyone who immediately posts a PPB and dips? I’m so curious!!!
Sometimes the admins can be a little performatively pushy. Nakoichi did that a lot, and I think sometimes Alaskaball (who I greatly respect, to be clear) does it too. Probably more than them, but that’s what I hazily remember offhand.
Our admins and mods do a great job and I appreciate their service.
I wasn’t trying to bash them (maybe Nako a little), but part of respecting someone rather than taking a condescending attitude is being willing to give constructive feedback.
Sure, that’s just what someone afraid of their authoritarian regime’s enforcers would say!
They mean the posters who stand at the back of the posting flank to prevent any deserters. You make an attempt to flee the thread before a call to retreat is uttered, they have orders to summarily execute you.
Believe it or not, I’m actually Hexbear’s head enforcer. But as a pinko commie elite bureaucrat, I’m honor-bound to just sit around doing nothing all day.
Gotta love how Lemmyworld pre-emptively defeds Hexbear as a last resort then criticises us for not leaving our echo chamber.
Does lemmy even need a ton of features? The main draw is the users (like any social network). Everything else is largely bells and whistles.
I’ve banned plenty of authoritarians from MULTIVERSE for spouting propaganda on off-instance communities
Again and again. Liberals believe themselves to be superior to “authoritarians” for believing in ideals they don’t even bother to uphold (cause you gotta supress those “authoritarians”)
It’s the most self-circular bs I’ve ever seen.
It’s the same shit you hear from libertarians.
“We should create a society with minimal government free from tyranny where everything is privately owned!”
“Okay me and my friends are going to create a communist stronghold and steal your shit, then implement a dictatorship of the proletariat.”
“You can’t do that! It’s A U T H O R I T A R I A N”
“Why not? The companies in charge of cops and the military decided your stuff isn’t worth defending since it’s less than $1,000,000 in assets and our commie militia would cost $6 billion to defeat.”
It’s almost like you have to enforce your ideology through the barrel of some type of explosive tube or something idk 🤔🤔🤔
Bonus content: https://lemmy.world/post/43714597/22409043
The lead piefed dev supports jailbait communities but is against communists
https://lemmy.world/post/42383660/21863245
Lol, list comp -> set -> list is a waste. If you’re only checking for membership, using a set comp is way more efficient.
Not only are they an anti communist pedo, but they can’t even write good Python code.
Oh great “growing” the fediverse by hosting pedo shit.
That’s a bannin’ (from this mortal plane)
‘fauxbait’
The lead piefed dev supports jailbait communities but is against communists
Judge us by our ops! This keeps happening!
Pedos and white nationalists who seem to base everything they politically believe on the dictates of the US State Department, but also they’re “anti-Trump” unless he’s waging war or overthrowing actual democracy in a non-white country; then it’s uncritical faith in US empire
It’s not surprising everything they say about us is couched in vagueposting drivel about “authoritarianism” when they try to incompetently argue the facts with us, they invariably reveal one or more of the noxious bigotries (white supremacy being the most common) that animates their reactionary politics.
If someone is a “soulist,” the ethical thing to do is ignore them rather than give them attention. We aren’t in a position to help them and their “ideology” is not one that can process criticism, so this is just encouraging them. There is no real political dispute here.
