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This is precisely why Makkah and Madinah should be sovereign entities, similar to the Vatican, where no single nation can claim them as property or political tool.

Imagine Italy demanding support from all cotholics because they have Rome lmao anti-italian-action

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      Also he said that numerous sporting events, including those of UEFA origin as well as the World Cup, should be played in that Kingdom!

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        Text version for accessibility:

        The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen.” The People said, “And also on our Najd.” He said, “O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (north)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen.” The people said, “O Allah’s Apostle! And also on our Najd.” I think the third time the Prophet (ﷺ) said, “There (in Najd) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head of Satan.”

        (Sahih al-Bukhari 7094)

        Najd is a historical region of the Arabian Peninsula that includes most of the central region of Saudi Arabia.

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    Imagine Italy demanding support from all cotholics because they have Rome

    Can’t tell if you’re making a deadpan joke or if you are serious. But for the record, that’s pretty much been exactly the case for most of history.

    Pope John Paul II (Karol Józef Wojtyła) was the first non-Italian pope in over 450 years, elected on October 16, 1978. Since that time, of course, popes have come from all over the globe.

    Last time fascism rose, Mussolini proclaimed the Catholic Church as the official religion of Italy. The Church was happy to oblige.

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    Very clever of the western bourgeoisie to ensure control of all three major monotheistic religions and ability to call anyone acting too harshly against them an infidel, anti-semite, or devil worshiping Christ hater respectively with real authority.

    Kind of depressing too.

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    there’s no way that’s not considered an extreme heresy by most non-saudi muslims, right? like, as far as i understand things, they seem to be claiming that the house of saud is the true successor to Muhammed.

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      Technically, nothing he actually said is wrong — every Muslim has to face the Qaaba when praying, and visit it in the Hajj at least once in their lifetime if they can. It’s only in the implication of today’s geopolitics from the context (see replies) that the Iranian government is the antichrist (Dajjal) and that the Saudi government is safe which is troubling.

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        right, that’s the part i was referring to. i’m aware of the importance of facing the Qaaba and the pillar of Hajj. it is the limitation of describing these pillars in the form of facing and visiting Saudi Arabia, which to my lay eyes seems like putting the geopolitical entity above the prophet.

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          Am I wrong in understanding Shia are descendants of Mohammed, Sunni aren’t? Can you please give a little more information on the difference, 3D or imagined?

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            i am not an expert by any means but i believe every branch of Islam would consider themselves the true successor of the prophet. the schism that divides Shi’a and Sunni Muslims occurred relatively soon after the founding of the religion, like a century or two out. also important to note that neither major branch is a monolith, there are quite disparate traditions within both branches.

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              I am also not an expert (would it be inappropriate to @ping a Muslim comrade to ask?) but @Maeve@kbin.earth is correct in saying that Shi’a Muslims believe that it is the direct descendants of Muhammad who are the divinely guided leaders of Islam. The first being Ali ibn Abi Talib, Muhammad’s son-in-law and the first Imam who is the figure that was at the center of the Sunni-Shi’a divide. Sunnis do not accept that leadership was meant to stay in a hereditary line through Ali’s family. They generally see the early succession as a matter for the Muslim community to decide. Which meant that back at the time of the division, Sunnis saw Abu Bakr as the first caliph.

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              the schism that divides Shi’a and Sunni Muslims occurred relatively soon after the founding of the religion, like a century or two out.

              Less than a century or two! The issue of succession that defined the split was essentially immediately after the death of the prophet Muhammad.

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                Thanks for confirming that. I’m not sure where I heard (or most likely read) it, but it’s interesting, since the prophet and his fil were close, from my very sketchy understanding. I’m not sure who to ping, I’m hoping our more knowledgeable comrades will read and be inclined to shed a little more light on the subject.

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              there are quite disparate traditions within both branches.

              Well that part I know but I’m extremely and embarrassingly ignorant on there history of Islam. I’m willing to learn, though. And thanks so much for an honest answer.

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                Some of this is more fresh in my mind because I recently listened to a new episode of Revolutionary Left (RevLeft) Radio that gets into it: From Persia to Iran: Islam, Empire, and the Politics of West Asia. You might want to give a listen. The guest is Adnan Husain (“Professor of Medieval history and Chair of the Religious Studies department at Queens college”) who also hosted the Guerilla History podcast. Anyway, they talk quite a bit in good depth about the history of Islam. The stuff I mentioned in my other comment I already mostly knew about, but there was a lot more in this episode that I learned. They also discuss the relevance of this deep history with respect to the current war the Great Satan and the Entity are waging against Iran.

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                  Oh cool, hopefully I can listen while doing stuff tomorrow, since my all day bellyache is finally subsiding! Bookmark, thanks so much!

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    this is the type of stupid shit you’d hear from your average Western chud starting off with a “did you know?” bit, but sadly it’s a rhetoric FULLY embraced by a concerning number of Saudis…