Why is Contrapoints so bad at posting? Is she stupid?
Oh hey I just learned she blocked me. Must’ve struck a nerve on her last post.
Congratulations!
Good job :)
I’d be happy about it but now I can’t dogpile this one
Yeah. The people who have appreciation for Nazis are commonly known as Nazis
Do they not have one of the most advanced propaganda operations of all time? How much harder could they possibly go at laundering their image?
I think that’s her point - they’re trying REALLY hard and failing to win hearts and minds. I think she’s not making any sort of moral claim here, just talking about the propaganda being so bad.
Like, just look at the fucking tik toks of IDF kids dancing or whatever. This is official Israeli-sanctioned propaganda and they just make themselves look horrible, which they are, but propaganda should try to make them not seem horrible.
It’s not a very insightful tweet, but it’s contra.
But the idea that the Gaza genocide doesn’t have supporters within and outside the country is unfortunately very incorrect.
For sure. That seems to be what the person she’s responding to is saying - it’s “natural” for people to dislike Israel because of them… y’know… committing genocide.
But that’s way too optimistic. It is not natural (for everyone) because they still have lots of support. Especially from foreign governments, if only a minority of the people.
But, at the same time, Israel is failing at propaganda I think in part because their position is indefensible. They are openly committing genocide. Their leaders routinely go on record saying extremely mask-off things about intending to commit genocide. The IDF brutalizes defenseless people on the regular and destroys access to basic necessities to cause maximum suffering to normal people who just want to live their lives. Their propagandists have a really hard job, but they’re super well-funded and are still failing.
I’d just leave nature out of this discussion. There aren’t any cruise missiles in nature. (I think the way “nature” is used here is more akin to “moral” rather than “human nature”, both subjects with their own set of problems)
Israeli leaders being able to say absolutely ghoulish things and openly calling for genocide without Israeli society ripping appart and without Israel loosing much foreign support, both materially but also from western liberal media who are still on Israels side in most matters, is Israels propaganda doing its job.
Yeah fair point. They don’t need popular support abroad. They just need weapons, money, and US sanctions on their adversaries. They get all that from US and Europe.
god DAMN comrade, @Kylejos1917 visit hexbear.net pleaseIt’s because Hasbara is using dumbasses like the one in this image that Israel’s propaganda is in the garbage can. You can’t have Nazis doing propaganda for you in a world where information is shared in seconds. Israel might be the most hated country in the world since the internet became a thing. The universal hatred for Israel is beautiful to behold
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, but good analysis comrade
I don’t think she’s making the point she thinks she is making.
Was her point “I’m a Nazi” because that’s definitely how it reads
They did have it together, for like fucking 50 years but you cant cry wolf for multiple multiple times without people noticing. Their propaganda IS great but everything has limits.
The amount of people that don’t know this is Israel’s default mode of existence is exhausting. This is what they do. They kicked off their grand opening with the Nakba. Its fucken about damn time they start losing face somewhere
usually it takes a four hour video, posted once a year, for KKKᛟnᛏᚱa₽ᛟinᛏᛋᛋ to give a dumb take. maybe she should stop posting and read a fucking book.
monkey paw curls she picks up her copy of Mein Kampf
Don’t be so hard on Contrapoints, not everyone can see through one of the most advanced propaganda campaigns in human history. She probably already did her research and interviewed people for their opinions, gathered valuable data to verify her theories, tester her theories.
I mean that’s why her videos take so long to make, right? Might have been difficult to find a qualified research team, who are willing to do research on Israeli Propaganda, not many are brave enough to actually stand up for what’s right, when it hurts their pockets. So Contrapoints has to do research all on her own. She’s not like those cowards who care more about wealth than human beings, she is a brave soldier of truth seeking and facts, facts, facts.
It’s simple really.
Propaganda is just a form of marketing, with 20th Century propaganda techniques being specifically built and refined by marketing people (Edward Bernays for one). And to create successful marketing you need a sense of who your audience is and what they want. You create market personas that are representative for certain demographics, you do market research, and so on.
Israeli’s have been so lost in the sauce of racial/religious supremacism and so cloisted by their fear and hatred for anyone outside it that they’ve completely lost touch with any sense of who other people are and what they want. You can’t understand people well enough to market to them if you think they’re all untermenschen and animals who have to be culled. You can’t simultaneously understand the actual positions of people you’ve gaslit yourself into believing are actually bloodthirsty monsters whose entire existence is about destroying you.
This why Israel’s actually somewhat successful propaganda over the last 50 years has nearly all come not from Israel and Israeli’s themselves, but from an ideological army of white, non Jewish Zionists. Like you might outsource a marketing to a marketing agency, Israel outsourced the majority of it’s effective propaganda to a class of people who could be bought and either personally benefit from Israel’s position in the middle east or have their own natural supremacist tendencies (Nazis, white supremacists, a way to do ‘polite’ white supremacy in European centerist politics etc).
The reason that outsourced propaganda from these Zionist outgroups has started to fail is a threefold sequence:
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Israeli’s got insulated enough that they wouldn’t shut the fuck up we with their delusional supremacist/victim shit.
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soft power background noise marketing doesn’t work when everyone on the planet is watching you commit the worst atrocities since the Holocaust on their screens every day.
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When Zionist outgroups couldn’t control the narrative they had to crack down on anyone not buying the messaging. That’s not marketing but repression at that point. ‘What an enlightened and tolerant country we are to try and make sure the horrors of the Holocaust never happen again’ is a good marketing strategy. ‘We’re going to jail your grandma and kids unless you bow before a state ideology that clearly despises you’ is not, as it turns out.
(I’m not even going to bother with why IranContrapoints couldn’t/wouldn’t grasp what that reply very clearly meant 🙄)
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Avg western imperialist philosopher. Asking the questions that matter
That’s such a good quote. Honestly the man had way too many. It’s almost absurd
Nazi Germany continues to enjoy support from numerous outside admirers to this day.
borderline tagline tbh
I understand what she wants to say (but I don’t believe her lol) she just sucks so much it’s straight up inhumane to be exposed to whatever she cooks up, she can’t say a single thing straight, it’s so annoying, yes yes nuance yes yes we get it you are very smart and special philosopher blah blah blah, wow suuuch big words, where would we be without you!
Fucking hell
You said it better than I could lmao
I know no one wants to hear it here, but she’s right, and not even just technically right. There are tons of people willing to go to bat for genocidal freaks: look at how many people gleefully voted for Kamala, look at the hogs backing Trump. Look at the whitewashing of nearly every former U.S. president.
Theorizing that people “naturally” (whatever that means) reject horrible things is a profound misunderstanding of how people work. It’s idealism. There are countless examples of people ignoring, tolerating, or outright supporting atrocities even as they happen around them.
90% of the current pro-Palestinian non-Muslim folks were both-siding, concern trolling and language policing until Kamala lost at best and at worst where very much seeing Israhell as a progressive force. Historical revisionism is abound, just like somehow every hwite grandpa and grandma was supportive of MLK nowdays.
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What could be a more direct response to “it’s natural everyone dislikes genocidal freaks” than “I don’t think it’s natural” and some examples of genocidal freaks people support?
I’ve never watched any Contrapoints or followed her social media. I’m guessing most of the responses here (and the fact that this thread was created in the first place) stem from people who are more familiar with her and think she sucks on other grounds.
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nah, people naturally reject horrible things in that they actively don’t believe they are happening, people don’t defend massacres as in cool they massacred, they reframe it as they deserved or whatever, but not killing is good way.
i would argue that entity is still fine at propaganda, look how many sanctions they are under for their efficiency.
At this point what are you even doing
Same thing she’s been doing since the creation of her YouTube channel: “Look at me! Give me attention! Look! Look! I exist! I swear I exist, please notice!
”why are people mad at me???
Posting addiction
