• lurker_supreme [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Holy shit the WaPo is a rag.

    The pope quotes a bible verse:

    Isaiah 1:15: “Even though you make many prayers, I will not listen — your hands are full of blood.”

    WaPo: But the truth is nuanced. Here’s what some random bloodthirsty maniacs think on the matter!

    Holden Bloodfeast: “More infants for the meatgrinder! Praise be to Moloch, god of Blood and War!”

    WaPo: It’s impossible to tell who has a correct interpretation of Christian doctrine here.

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      Fuck I need that quote as a tattoo. Goes right along with John Browns “the sins of this land can’t not be cleaned except by blood of its people”

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          Well, sure. Over time, Yahweh went from a minor war god in a polytheistic religion who accepted human sacrifice (hence the chariots of iron preventing him from granting the Israelites victory, and the binding of Isaac in genesis) to the Prince of Peace. He has the same kind of “continuity” as a marvel comics character. He never quite got over the human sacrifice, mind, which continues to this day in symbolic form with the eucharist.

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          Yeah, yeah, the Bible’s full of shit, I know. Doesn’t mean the quote doesn’t go hard.

          It’s fun to remember that the Christian God was originally a pagan war god.

  • Crucible [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    You know the pope vagueposting is really keeping all the good catholics in the white house up at night. Gotta soothe themselves with a few verses about Jesus coming back with a sword instead of a tongue and making blood run in the streets as high as a horse’s bridle

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      Mythology changes over time

      Yahweh was a war god in the earliest myths, but from like 700ish BC onwards, that aspect has been de-emphasised and criticised, e.g. by Isaiah or Jeremaiah, both of whom claim that the Hebrews invasion of Canaan defiled it

      From that point on, Yahweh increasingly became the more universalist deity we’re familiar with today, with increased emphasis on morality and justice (though these themes are still there in the earlier parts of the bible) and less emphasis on him being an amoral war god (instead, the focus becomes divine retribution)

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        Nah, he is, was, and always will be a god of war, blood, death, and suffering. Jesus himself admitted as much when he promised to die and come back and conquer the world. The abramhamic god will always be a god of murder. You have to be guillible to say otherwise. You do not have to hand it to the cults of murder.

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          the abrahamic god doesnt exist. there exist texts in which he is a character. in those texts, he plays a variety of roles, which tend to change over time. he hasn’t been portrayed as a war god in millennia. he has been depicted as a powerful god taking vengeance for unrighteousness, but this is a fundamentally different role than a war god, a god who’s sole function in the mythology is regarding war.

          incidentally, abrahamic god only appears in this war god role in the very earliest texts (particularly e.g. the song of deborah), when the people telling the stories were a more warlike hill people resisting the expansion of their canaanite relatives who’d sworn fealty to egypt.

          acting like the abrahamic god exists and is eternal and unchanging is doing far more to ‘hand it to the cults of murder’ than source criticism and pointing out the changing nature of mythology (in fact, calling abrahamic myths mythology tends to piss off the cults of murder far more than accepting their premise of an extant unchanging god)

          in addition, acting like any of the christians, zionists, and the like who engage in war, cause death and suffering, etc, are made to do so by their god is both excusing the actual humans who committed the crimes, and idealist in that it pretends the ideas are the prime mover behind these attrocities. guess what, the bible also says not to build temples out of hewn stone, not to go up steps onto an altar, not to reap to the edges of your fields or pick every fruit from the tree or vine, not to wear clothes made of multiple types of textiles, etc, but the people doing the crimes seem remarkably silent about those: because the ideas are entirely irrelevent, the real reason they do bad shit is economic

        • fannin [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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          This is true of evangelical christianity and a ton of modern judaism but I agree with comrade rat that mythology isn’t fixed and a lot of the old testament prophetic texts walk back the explicit war god stuff.

  • microfiche [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Christianity in the US is being recast as some aborted abomination of what Jesus wanted folks to do.

    I am not a Christian. I have a extremely negative view of christianity in general but I have read the scriptures and am passingly familiar with what the christian god expects of its followers. American Christian nationalism is a cancer. Im almost willing to condemn the whole Christian experiment, and its followers because of a ever increasing group of bad actors.

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    He lives in a city literally founded by the son of Mars. I’d say “if you don’t like it here, I’ll help you pack” but I don’t have any hatboxes big enough.