• Salah [ey/em]@hexbear.net
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    What war is g*rmany even preparing for? Are they going to deploy people to Ukraine or Iran??? This is so weird

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      The current meme in particularly NATO-controlled German media this week is the idea that Putin is supposedly planning a direct attack on Germany (1 2 3)

      Erkki Koort, the director of the Internal Security Institute at the Estonian Academy of Security Sciences, argued that Germany was a more logical and accessible target for Russia within NATO than the Baltic states.

      He suggested that because Germany served as the logistical and strategic heart of Europe, anyone aiming to weaken the alliance had to strike its center first. The expert highlighted several factors that made the country vulnerable, including its role as a strategic hub and the presence of a large Russian-speaking population.

      Ultimately, Koort concluded that neutralizing Germany would have yielded significant propaganda value for the Kremlin while effectively paralyzing NATO’s eastern flank.

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        the presence of a large Russian-speaking population

        Ah, viewing an ethnic group within your borders as a fifth column, except in Germany they also view several other groups in this light so Russians may be relegated to a sixth or seventh column at this point

        If the country of Germany had a stand power it would literally just be a giant Adolf Hitler

        Also with an imagination this wild, Germans must be great at DnD

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        Koort concluded that neutralizing Germany would have yielded significant propaganda value for the Kremlin

        “Propaganda value” is code for “sure they have no practical reason to take this, but imagining (insert national monument) with a Russian flag over it makes me feel scared, and making me feel scared is probably the biggest thing that motivates the enemy because they are monsters from my childish nightmares.”

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        For the militarisation that makes sense, but preparing for conscription means they actually think they might need it for something and I really struggle to see any reason except for if they want to massively escalate one of the existing wars or create a new one. Because conscription for internal unrest seems like a very bad idea.

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      It could be civil uprising, due to cost of living crisis inevitably worsening under Capitalism.

      It’s also quite likely there are some elements of Lumpenbourgeoise, which would be a Capitalist class so alienated, they are self-destructive. Leading their country through Arm-chair talk. Another thing to consider would be civil uprisings and economic crisis. You cannot prevent Capitalism from creating inequality, you can only control who the extracted wealth serves. The more poorly managed, the more there’s a reserve army of labor and you either have to send them to build a big project at home, like super railway f.ex or you have to send the people to like war f.ex (there’s other more/less twisted ways to deal with the developing underclasses.) but the point is have you noticed how in Western cultures going to war is this necessary evil, but Westerners can justify even conscription.

      Meanwhile if I was to conscript my people to go to build a railway. I’m not saying it’s good idea, but for arguments sake, to demonstrate Western “Culture” and it’s wonders. See how easy it is to justify conscription for war compared to conscription to work. Now why is that? And ofc we wouldn’t even need to force people to do it, it’s not really effective or stable way to build shit anyways, but we could definitely have made culture around mass industrialization and not mass warfare, there was always a choice.

      Of course the real answer is that European legacy, post-ww2, is extremely racist, alienated, entitled, furious, over-confident, thinks the so called '3rd world" is incapable of governing themselves. And it’s not like I hate the people, but I’m sorry to say I don’t see a way out of this. It’s easier to imagine Germany going to war with Spain and Ukraine going to war with Poland, than it is to imagine a socialist Europe.

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      No idea how much brain they really have and how face value they are: if they are as brainless as they appear, they are preparing for Ukraine. But if someone in the Bundeswehr have at last three neurons to rub together they would maybe realise they just have woken up in a colossal pile of shit with their big brother not necessary guaranteeing their stability, their alliance not necessary surviving, their army in shambles and their government unstable and population unstable politically. So they could probably think: first, pacifying their population and maybe second, potential war against Poland which first time in ages actually is stronger militarily than Germany but much of Polish army is actually irregular and so volkssturm could help equalise it.

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    I went to check for myself and, yup, that seems to be the case, assuming my machine translations hold water (Teutophones, feel free to weigh-in!). Here are the two bits of the Conscription Act (WPflG) they mention, as well as some other related parts:

    Section 2(3)

    (3) Außerhalb des Spannungs- oder Verteidigungsfalls gelten die §§ 3, 8a bis 20b, 25, 32 bis 35, 44 und 45.

    This is the subsection that was apparently amended, which now says that Section 3 applies even outside times of “tension” (Spannung).

    Section 3(2)

    (2) Männliche Personen haben nach Vollendung des 17. Lebensjahres eine Genehmigung des zuständigen Karrierecenters der Bundeswehr einzuholen, wenn sie die Bundesrepublik Deutschland länger als drei Monate verlassen wollen, ohne dass die Voraussetzungen des § 1 Absatz 2 bereits vorliegen. Das Gleiche gilt, wenn sie über einen genehmigten Zeitraum hinaus außerhalb der Bundesrepublik Deutschland verbleiben wollen oder einen nicht genehmigungspflichtigen Aufenthalt außerhalb der Bundesrepublik Deutschland über drei Monate ausdehnen wollen. Die Genehmigung ist für den Zeitraum zu erteilen, in dem die männliche Person für eine Einberufung zum Wehrdienst nicht heransteht. Über diesen Zeitraum hinaus ist sie zu erteilen, soweit die Versagung für die männliche Person eine besondere – im Bereitschafts-, Spannungs- oder Verteidigungsfall eine unzumutbare – Härte bedeuten würde; § 12 Absatz 6 ist entsprechend anzuwenden. Das Bundesministerium der Verteidigung kann Ausnahmen von der Genehmigungspflicht zulassen.

    This is the subsection that contains the provision about males 17 and up needing a permit from the Bundeswehr to leave the country for three months or more if the provisions of Section 1(2) do not apply. The permits shall be granted while they are not conscription-eligible (which I take to mean “before they turn 18”)—but just as the article says, they must apply for the permit regardless. Subsection 3 specifies the maximum eligible age for conscription (45). It also says that permits must be granted if not doing so would cause “special” (besondere) hardship; in a state of readiness/emergency/defense the standard is “unreasonable” (unzumutbare) hardship and the provisions of Section 12(6) apply (I assume these specific adjectives are legal terms of art). Finally, it says that the Ministry of Defense may grant exemptions to the permit requirement, which I imagine they’ll have to because this seems incredibly onerous (as it says in the article, "[The Ministry of Defense] are currently working on ‘more specific rules for granting exceptions to the permit requirement,’ as well as to ‘avoid unnecessary bureaucracy.’ ")

    Section 1(2)

    (2) Die Wehrpflicht ruht, solange Wehrpflichtige ihren ständigen Aufenthalt und ihre Lebensgrundlage außerhalb der Bundesrepublik Deutschland haben, wenn Tatsachen die Annahme rechtfertigen, dass sie beabsichtigen, ihren ständigen Aufenthalt im Ausland beizubehalten.

    This detail wasn’t in the article, but it basically just says you’re exempt if you’re a permanent resident of another country and it is clear that you intend to continue to reside abroad.

    Section 12

    Full text

    (1) Vom Wehrdienst wird zurückgestellt,

    1. wer vorübergehend nicht wehrdienstfähig ist,
    2. wer, abgesehen von den Fällen des § 10, Freiheitsstrafe, Strafarrest, Jugendstrafe oder Jugendarrest verbüßt, sich in Untersuchungshaft befindet oder nach § 63 des Strafgesetzbuches in einem psychiatrischen Krankenhaus untergebracht ist.

    (1a) Vom Wehrdienst wird ferner zurückgestellt, wer auf Grund eines völkerrechtlichen Vertrages für die Dauer einer Tätigkeit in einer internationalen Behörde nicht zum Wehrdienst herangezogen werden kann.

    (2) Vom Wehrdienst werden Wehrpflichtige, die sich auf das geistliche Amt (§ 11) vorbereiten, auf Antrag zurückgestellt. Hierzu sind beizubringen:

    1. der Nachweis eines ordentlichen theologischen Studiums oder einer ordentlichen theologischen Ausbildung und
    2. eine Erklärung des zuständigen Landeskirchenamtes, der bischöflichen Behörde, des Ordensoberen oder der entsprechenden Oberbehörde einer anderen Religionsgemeinschaft, dass sich der Wehrpflichtige auf das geistliche Amt vorbereitet.

    (3) Hat ein Wehrpflichtiger seiner Aufstellung für die Wahl zum Deutschen Bundestag, zu einem Landtag oder zum Europäischen Parlament zugestimmt, so ist er bis zur Wahl zurückzustellen. Hat er die Wahl angenommen, so kann er für die Dauer des Mandats nur auf seinen Antrag einberufen werden.

    (4) Vom Wehrdienst soll ein Wehrpflichtiger auf Antrag zurückgestellt werden, wenn die Heranziehung zum Wehrdienst für ihn wegen persönlicher, insbesondere häuslicher, wirtschaftlicher oder beruflicher Gründe eine besondere Härte bedeuten würde. Eine solche liegt in der Regel vor,

    1. wenn im Falle der Einberufung des Wehrpflichtigen
      a) die Versorgung seiner Familie, hilfsbedürftiger Angehöriger oder anderer hilfsbedürftiger Personen, für deren Lebensunterhalt er aus rechtlicher oder sittlicher Verpflichtung aufzukommen hat, gefährdet würde oder
      b) für Verwandte ersten Grades besondere Notstände zu erwarten sind,
    2. wenn der Wehrpflichtige für die Erhaltung und Fortführung eines eigenen Betriebes unentbehrlich ist,
    3. wenn die Einberufung des Wehrpflichtigen
      a) eine zu einem schulischen Abschluss führende Ausbildung,
      b) ein Hochschulstudium, bei dem zum vorgesehenen Diensteintritt das dritte Semester erreicht ist,
      c) einen zum vorgesehenen Diensteintritt begonnenen dualen Bildungsgang (Studium mit studienbegleitender betrieblicher Ausbildung), dessen Regelstudienzeit acht Semester nicht überschreitet und bei dem das Studium spätestens drei Monate nach Beginn der betrieblichen Ausbildung aufgenommen wird,
      d) einen zum vorgesehenen Diensteintritt zu einem Drittel absolvierten sonstigen Ausbildungsabschnitt oder
      e) eine bereits begonnene Berufsausbildung
      unterbrechen oder die Aufnahme einer rechtsverbindlich zugesagten oder vertraglich gesicherten Berufsausbildung verhindern würde.

    (5) Vom Wehrdienst kann ein Wehrpflichtiger ferner zurückgestellt werden, wenn gegen ihn ein Strafverfahren anhängig ist, in dem Freiheitsstrafe, Strafarrest, Jugendstrafe oder eine freiheitsentziehende Maßregel der Besserung und Sicherung zu erwarten ist, oder wenn seine Einberufung die militärische Ordnung oder das Ansehen der Bundeswehr ernstlich gefährden würde.

    (6) In den Fällen des Absatzes 4, ausgenommen Satz 2 Nummer 1 Buchstabe b, Nummer 3, sowie des Absatzes 7, darf der Wehrpflichtige vom Grundwehrdienst höchstens so lange zurückgestellt werden, dass er noch vor der für ihn nach § 5 Absatz 1 Satz 2 und 3 maßgebenden Altersgrenze einberufen werden kann. In Ausnahmefällen, in denen die Einberufung eine unzumutbare Härte bedeuten würde, kann er auch darüber hinaus zurückgestellt werden.

    (7) Vom Wehrdienst soll ein Wehrpflichtiger auf Antrag auch zurückgestellt werden, wenn er für die Erhaltung und Fortführung des elterlichen Betriebes oder des Betriebes seines Arbeitgebers oder für die ordnungsgemäße Aufgabenerfüllung seiner Dienstbehörde unentbehrlich ist. In diesem Fall sind die Eltern, der Arbeitgeber oder die Dienstbehörde des Wehrpflichtigen antragsberechtigt und verpflichtet, den Wegfall der Voraussetzungen für die Unentbehrlichkeit der zuständigen Wehrersatzbehörde anzuzeigen. Die Zurückstellung bedarf der Zustimmung des Wehrpflichtigen. Die Einberufung des Wehrpflichtigen ist bis zur Entscheidung über den Antrag auszusetzen.

    I included the entire section, which covers deferral from conscription; valid circumstances include various forms of education, being a small business tyrant, being a caretaker for a family member, and the like. I had trouble parsing Subsection 6 (the one mentioned in § 3(2)) says that for certain provisions a maximum deferral may be granted, provided provisions of Section 5 apply (but I’m not gonna look any more German today). But this is actually the part I’m most interested in—how easy is it to get a deferral/exemption from conscription? I realize that de jure and de facto can be two very different things, but for the time being the statute’s all we’ve got.

    • But this is actually the part I’m most interested in—how easy is it to get a deferral/exemption from conscription?

      Advance warning, this is gonna get extremely German. CW for hair splitting, legalese, homophobia, transphobia, genital exams and SA. Yes, in a post about conscription.

      At the moment, there is no conscription, as that has been on hiatus since 2011. This is the first step towards reactivating it. Right now, the situation is as follows: Young German citizens, and we’re talking really young here, 17-18 years old, are currently getting Musterungsbescheide. That’s the legal notice that you are summoned for a medical examination to test if you are fit for military service. Women and nonbinary people are free to ignore them, men however are legally obliged to answer. For the time being, they can just say “nope, not interested” and will not be drafted. If that does not yield enough recruits (it will not yield enough recruits, nobody wants to serve), this process is then rolled out to anybody below 45 years of age. If that still doesn’t get them enough cannon fodder (and again, there is no way it will), they plan to actually bring conscription back.

      As this hasn’t been done yet, we can only guess how much of the old conscription laws will remain on the books. Most of it will likely remain in place, but they are already discussing minor changes, like not checking the testicles of recruits anymore (i am not making this up, back when i was military age and still had my balls, somebody from the mlitary actually grabbed them to check if i had cancer. Honestly, the Morgentau Plan didn’t go far enough). Historically, it was very tricky to completely dodge the draft. Outside of just being overlooked by the buerocracy, permanently leaving the country or being too criminal to be considered eligible, the most likely way was to be ruled medically unfit and that was very hit or miss for able-bodied people unless you knew a doctor who knew how to tailor just the right diagnosis to get you de-listed for sure. Historically, being gay or trans were grounds for exemption from service, but they moved to being rainbow imperialists and even before that, just telling your recruiter that you’re gay would lead to a ton of invasive questions and having to prove you’re actually too gay for the army (btw, the new self ID law for trans people has a clause about retroactively voiding your legal recognition as a woman if you make that change up to 3 months before the start of a war, i expect that to be made worse when they bring back the draft as the CDU is transphobic af).

      In practice, almost everybody who did not want to serve in the military did Zivildienst aka Wehrersatzdienst (“replacement service”) instead. That usually meant working as an assistant nurse, helping with social work, delivering food to the elderly, doing disaster relief and so on. Originally, this required to go on trial and prove that your conscience prohibits you from taking up a gun on moral or religious grounds, and the trials were notorious for asking loaded questions like “what if you’re at the park and your spouse gets assaulted by Russian soldiers?” (yes, that’s an actual, real life example how these tribunals went). Later, i think in the 1980s or so, this got changed to only having to write a letter about why you are a complete pacifist - answers like “i do not mind self defense, but i will not go to the middle east to murder brown people” expressly did not count, you had to tell them you were an “i would never even touch a gun” peacenik.

      As of now, the plan is to ditch this entire part and let conscripts choose between military and civil / social / medical service. But forced conscription for men will almost certainly come back. There will always be loopholes, nepo babies will have ways around this, but the normal pathway will be “you will work for the state for about a year”.

      • It’s incredible that Finland has had this all along and also has the Zivildienst which is what my kid will be forced to do as he will not go into the army proper.

        One of his friends declined both and spent a year locked indoors with a tracking collar on his ankle as this is what wholesome happiest country in the world does to people who refuse to die for empire.

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    So there’s the pretty clear military angle, but I wonder if this may also be intended to curtail brain drain? Capital disciplining high-skilled labor and laundering it through oh-so-important National Security.