Violence & armed rebellion is the only way.
We will have to make it where workers fear to build these facilities.
If elected representatives fail to represent the people, there is only one option left. You can of course try to talk more, sign a petition or whatever else but if they weren’t listening then, why would they listen now?
Same thing is happening in Utah:
I almost thought this was the same post.
Talking, protesting, petitions, elections…we can’t afford to even pretend that any of it matters anymore. Everyone knows what’s coming. The media can desperately pretend everything is fine all it wants but we all know the truth.
Porque no las dos? I prefer to do things within the system and without it.
I do as well, I just can’t act surprised when it doesn’t work.
They’re paying off our corrupt local governments.
This highlights the core issue with these developments. Laws are created to handle this kind of situation. Michigan has the Zoning Enabling Act (MCL 125.3207) and the town had no land established as industrial zoning. By omission this amounts to a total ban in violation of Michigan laws.
It shows how laws are being used to set small townships who are barely keeping this side of legal for State laws can be manipulated. And this is a common refrain. Small towns don’t have the legal representation in local boards or governments to verify every single rule that States hand down and instead have to deal with violations as the appear.
This will continue to happen until States begin to grant smaller towns more authority over land use and zoning conditions. Which is why the “stop all data center construction” arguments at the Federal level are moot. The largest part that needs to be address needs to happen at each State level. Even if a law at the Federal level prohibited data centers for AI use under instate commerce, States still have a inherent right to the land that isn’t Federally owned and can just ignore those laws at the Federal level, they would never survive a 10th Amendment challenge.
The whole data-center thing HAS TO BE fought at the State level, there’s no other way around it.
I refuse to be NIMBY even when I don’t like the thing anyway.
You can be Not In Any Back Yard about this instead.
That’s a good sentiment to have for things that need to be built for society as a whole. You don’t need to extend the same courtesy to for profit endeavors that don’t provide a general benefit.
This is not standing up to support building a homeless shelter in your neighborhood, because it has to go somewhere. It’s more like supporting a McDonald’s. There’s plenty of them already, and they have plenty of other options for building more.
There is a general benefit. If you don’t block this you have more ground against those blocking things you want. Freedom means you allow people to do things you disagree with, with a very high bar for exceptions.
None of this comment makes a lick of sense.
Is that an imperial lick or a metric lick?
Power is freedom, and only the powerful are free. Power means being able to do what you want while also stopping other people from doing what they want. Only billionaires have freedom - the rest of us are just their staff.
You should be against anything that harms the public good, regardless of whose backyard it’s in.
Vote to support to being a nuclear bomb testing site because saying no would make you a NIMBY
If you can 100% keep all the results of the test on your property then I’m fine with it. Since nuclear explosions are not that well controlled I’m against it but only for that reason. I miss the nuclear powerplant in my backyard, it was a quiet neighbor, but life forced me to move elsewhere.
Yea data centers also do a similar thing. They bring up the electricity price for everyone in that area, large amounts of cooling is needed which drains the local water supply. It vents out heat and noise.
There’s not many benefits to a datacenter surprisingly for the local population. It’s not going to cause a huge boom in the local economy (all the money is going to the corporation who will in fact not pay a dime back to the locals)
You’ve just completely derailed your own argument. If you don’t want nuclear explosions in the property next to you because it could affect you then you shouldn’t want to data center next to you for the same reason. It takes minimal effort to learn about how data centers affect the communities and environment surrounding them. I suggest you make that effort.
What happens in data centers doesnt stay there…
Firstly, that’s not even what NIMBY means. You said you don’t like ai, but the word NIMBY means when you like or are neutral about a thing but you don’t want it happening near where you live.
Secondly, your argument is that there should be zero restrictions on what can be done by the owner of a plot of land. Obviously that makes no sense and isn’t what you would actually want. Otherwise i could buy the house next to you and replace it with a garbage dump, and buy the house on the other side of you and turn it into an all night dance club.
