• Wilco@lemmy.zip
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    The concept of absolute forgiveness is terrifying to me. Rape, murder, and make people suffer with greed and corruption all you want … then say “Im sowwy about all that, forgive me” before you die and into Christian heaven you go. Fuck that. I want no part of that “heaven” … that is where pure evil will reign, it will be hell.

    If I were evil and wanted to corrupt a bunch of religious idiots I would tell them that they didn’t have to be decent people, that they could just do what they wanted because a zombie god died for their sins. That would lead them to worship the wealthy and not care about their fellow humans, the suffering would be everywhere. Do you think that could work?

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    If god turns out to be real then heaven is likely hell.

    Based on what god has shown us so far he is a dictator who enjoys watching his little creatures suffer in too many ways to count. He is most likely an emotionless psychopath. He used his Jesus avatar once publicly to show that he’s “one of us”, showed off his admin rights by turning water to wine and resurrecting himself, and then logged off again with no consequences.

    It’s the equivalent of a billionaire going with public transport for a day to show how grounded and normal he is.

    If god exists and can truly control what comes after death then we are all fucked and need to find out how to kill him.

    Maybe after death we resurrect into a full blown souls against god rebellion that has been going on for a few hundred years

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    I think the matter is simple.

    If there is a God, he should let me in for being a good person. If he is as vain as Christians make him out to be, I wouldn’t worship him anyway.

  • If after I die god turns out to be real, I’d probably still go to heaven because I felt bad about my sins and that’s pretty much all that’s needed to get into heaven according to the New Testament. 🤷‍♂️

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    Even if a creator exists, I reckon that it has long forgotten that it made this shitty planet.

    • “Hey G-man, those creatures you made are getting out of control.”

      “Huh? What crea- Oh. Oh fuck. That was supposed to be thrown out 3 millenia ago. I fucking forgot. It’s probably all rotten and moldy now.”

  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Dear reader,

    What if, after you die, you discover that string theory is correct, the the universe and reality itself are all merely tendrils of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and that it thought you were kind of neat, so it decides to turn you into gelato… but only for a moment, as a joke, and then just does a ground hog day on you, as another joke?

    You lose.

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    "Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

    ― Marcus Aurelius

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    It’s win-win:

    • God is real, and loves athiests anyway.

    • God is real, and can’t blame you. They made it real hard to prove.

    • God isn’t real, which you don’t find out, cuz you’re dead.

    • …Or dead-ish?

    • God’s realness is predicated on belief:

    “I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.” “But,” says Man, “The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. QED.” “Oh dear,” says God, “I hadn’t thought of that…”

    • Donkter@lemmy.world
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      Or: God is real, he’s as vindictive, petty, and cruel as the Bible portrays him to be and anyone like that you definitely don’t want whatever their idea of heaven would be.

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    Yeah, well…

    MY religion says if you don’t give me $20,000 you’ll spend forever swimming through a pool of glass shards and lemon juice. Better be on the safe side - what if I’m right?

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    Pascal wager can be so easily thrown back…

    « You better pray for forgiveness to the Christian god before dying… just to be sure! »

    Ok… but what if the Hindus were right all along and I just damned myself?! There’s a whole lot more Hindus… I’m getting better odds by renouncing the Christian god instead

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    The way I figure it, if God exists he gave me a reasoning mind and provided absolutely no reasonable evidence of his existence. If he has a problem with me drawing the inevitable conclusion from that then fuck 'im.

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      This is why I refer to myself as agnostic instead of atheist. I do not see an evidence of God as stated in the Bible, Torah, Koran or such religions. However I cannot prove that a different type of God does not exist. Something - called God - could be responsible for the beginning of everything. I don’t see that God as being too concerned about humans and what they do or don’t do. God and religion are not the same thing. Religions are entirely man made as a societal control mechanisms and abused by leadership greed.

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      If you look at it from God’s perspective, assuming he exists, you have all of these groups of people who claim to worship him, and the biggest ones all have different holy books, and all of those holy books are flawed. They’re even self-contradictory. I think God would be offended if people thought he was responsible for those piles of trash.

      On the other hand, if God created our cosmos, surely he’d at least approve of people trying to understand it compared to boring people who ignore the world and just chant the same things over and over.

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      If god is real im going to try and kill him for creating a world with such evil happening to innocent people.

      Any god who creates a place where babies are raped and murdered deserves to die.

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    One of the ten commandments is Thou shalt not hold false witness. In other words, do not claim something to be true that you do not actually know to be true.

    Everyone who claims God’s existence based on their own faith has thus violated one of the ten commandments.

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      Ask any self professed Christian (of any denomination) to tell you what the ten commandments are and they won’t have a clue … I know several devout Christians who are able to … but the majority, about 90% of them, wouldn’t have a clue

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          “You shall not make for yourself an idol”

          That makes sense since many Americans literally worship their guns … and some even turn them into golden idols.

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        I grew up JW but the 10 weren’t really discussed all that much. While they did use scriptures from all over the Bible, the New Testament had the majority of the attention.

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    “You lose” is such a weird thing to say. It’s implying this is an issue to win or lose on. Instead of you know living a virtuous life. Nope. It’s sides that win or lose.

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      These pricks get off on seeing others suffer, while proclaiming to covet the virtues of a book they’ve never read.

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      Right? My religion tortures you for not being on our side I rather choose nothing than worship that kind of evil.

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      Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.

      The argument goes something like this: “I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.”

      “But,” says Man, “The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. QED.”

      “Oh dear,” says God, “I hadn’t thought of that,” and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

      “Oh, that was easy,” says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

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      Everything is proof of god!

      If you understand nothing and refuse to explore and learn, that is

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        No see you don’t understand:

        I occasionally hear voices in my head that I decided to attribute to God, and I also see or hear strange patterns sometimes that I decide are God talking to me in extremely specific and unique ways that no one else would understand, therefore, my moderate and likely worsening schizophrenia is proof that God is real.