Still waiting for this legendary decentralized, horizontal, spontaneous, totally scalable “Non-state” to emerge on the stage of world history and defeat the global capitalist order both economically and militarily
“The state cannot be a tool…alienates the people from control over the civil functions”
There’s always a tell, woke ancaps I swear to god
It is not a coincidence that the least-oppressed and often popular left tendencies in the imperial core are also those that allow the individual to relentlessly criticize without having to actually build power or organizations or have any plan at all. I think you could even build a socialist tendency that solely makes correct criticisms (Anark is not that lol) but still be a useless or counterproductive tendency. Every real project with real people will have contradictions and defects.
So we are always left with not just deciding whether a project has defects, but whether there is any point to a given critique and whether it has prioritized actually doing anything productive.
God im so fucking sick of anarchists saying dumb shit about hierarchy like they are literal crying children on a playground. Two brain cell having motherfuckers, one to scream about hierarchy and the other to scream about tankies
It takes like 5 seconds of reading anarchist theory btw to realize the issue with hierarchy isn’t inherent to the existence of a hierarchy, but how arbitrary or accountable that hierarchy is to the people governed by it and how much influence and input they had in setting it up
A community discussing an organizing structure with an elected executive is totally fucking fine with anarchist principles as long as the people governed by it have a say and it isn’t just something like “all the people with property have all the authority” but these fucking shitheads will start screaming about hierarchy because they literally cannot imagine a functioning society
this guy is just awful (cw: you will take psychic damage)
Where is he getting the idea that Marxism-Leninism is more popular than anarchism in the West? He makes it sound like apolitical/liberal people usually become an ML as the first or second step leftwards before maturing and becoming an anarchist. I don’t touch grass enough to compare to people I know IRL, but my experience online makes it seem like the opposite. Maybe that’s part of the totalitankietarian internet psyop /s?
He reminds me of a former coworker of mine who was really into worker coops and Proudhon and would always go out of his way to denounce “vanguardism” whenever AES countries came up in conversation.
I don’t know if things are different now. But when I was first diving into communist theory. The MLs that I knew were bigots. They were racist, sexist, etc you name it. Also anytime I looked into ML theory it just didn’t make sense to me. How was the state supposed to be in control of the people without some assholes coming in and turning it back into ruling class control? (though I’ve realized that’s just a issue with everything, and always something to watch out for). So I assumed that ML was the thing you went into if you wanted power for yourself but wanted to shut the door on others. I still have issues with something but needless to say it hasn’t stood the test of time (ffs, because of the people I knew, I thought Mao was an asshole and is now one of my favorite historical figures), but many people are not as neck deep into this stuff as me. Most of people I know who even prescrip themselves as some sort of anarchist do so, because of similar issues that I have had, or they are afraid of anything that resembles a power structure of America, aka over correction.
It’s honestly really complex if you look at it, but I notice a lot of people on here take these personality types who may or may not be plants, or too online .world types and paint everyone who thinks of themselves as an anarchist as these type of people. Ignoring the fact that a lot of these people are younger or even from various marginalized groups who have been fighting for their lives and don’t really do well with being told to shut the fuck up and listen to your betters. (sorry that is how some people come across with this stuff, I mean even in this thread)
All of this being said, if you want to convince people away form straight up anarchism, you might first try and engage with them and see what’s going on. A lot of them are just scared tbh. They know change needs to happen but are horrified that something bad will happen if it’s done incorrectly. This leads to a fallacy of inaction which just puts you back where you started. However it is tiring, and it’s very hard to know online if someone is bad faith or not. Just don’t go acting like that IRL I think is my main point. It can take a while to deprogram someone, and I say that as someone who has done various levels of deprogramming with various levels of success. (Really proud of my mother-in-law for example, never would have imagined her growth a few years ago)
Everyone in the west tries to present themselves as the most persecuted of all. Left-wing ethics won out socially and politically, but right-wing epistemology still dominates how people see the world. So you have nazis, neocons, neolibs, rad libs, "i’m not political"s, anarchists, MLs, etc. all trying to say they’re not the one in power, they’ve never been in power, someone else is to blame, they’re the most oppressed out of everyone, their moral system is a beacon of light nearly extinguished by society, etc. Try to find someone in the imperial core who’s like “my politics are dominant where I live and are doing fine”. You can’t. Even the establishment neolib, vibecession dipshits are saying they’re oppressed by social media, influencers, the stupid masses, etc. from their POV.
He makes it sound like apolitical/liberal people usually become an ML as the first or second step leftwards before maturing and becoming an anarchist.
All people like this know is projection. He doesn’t understand systems, he doesn’t understand materialism, he only works off of vibes and immature school yard ideas. A lot of MLs in the west had an “anarchist phase” when they were younger, before reading theory and growing out of it. So he’s just doing a “no u” thing, where he just insists upon the opposite. Pure idealism where he is hoping to just state something obnoxiously enough that it becomes reality, or at the very least, lets him and his followers ignore reality. Not even a true anarchist really, just a lib pretending to be one, which is why it always comes down to supporting the status quo despite claiming to be against it.
(This isn’t to imply that all anarchists are like, a larval stage of Marxists or something, just that a lot of MLs in the west tend to follow that pattern, as there are a lot more anarchists in the west and it is much less heavily vilified in the media.)
I am surprised blud is getting clowned on in the comments. He hasn’t gathered Vaush and Badmouse’s audience yet I guess.
That whole comment section is a circus lmao
Interesting, I assumed he had a similar level of blind devotees, since the only people I’ve ever heard talk about him positively did treat his word as law and refused to form their own opinions on a topic because this guy has already told them what to think on it.
Granted that is a sample size of like, 2 people though.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
What is this NATO leftist babbling about now?
Just the usual “Muh Vuvuzela and Cuba are ‘state capitalism’”, which is just coded word to say that they hate everyone from the global south and hate actual existing socialism and leftism. These “anarchists” make the most lib latam head of state look like Karl Marx.
State cannot be the tool for proletarian control…small business should be in charge
-somehow always the conclusion for the ‘leftists’
Real “left” libertarian hours. I wonder if he considers age of consent laws to be “authoritarian”?
Definitely, though it’s hard to tell if consciously if he don’t mention it. Libertarians usually are more telling, because their ideology of having no state or minimum state already include no such laws by default so they don’t even have to out themselves as pedos, but they still can’t shut up about it, specifically.
Cuban kids have bedtimes, which shows how aUtHoRiTaRiAn the state is
We call people feds a lot as a joke but if I had to bet on one person on the internet legitimately being a fed it would be Anark
I feel like this manufacturing consent is a pretty clear sign which of these “anarchist” commentators are on the CIA payroll.
Cuba is relaxing its state restrictions. Isn’t that what Anark advocates for?
The “Rip to your grandma but im different” of leftist debate
Because of external interference we have
xresources in total to go around. Do we:- let everyone fend for themselves
- control the distribution of resources according to availability and need
- relinquish all control of the situation to our oppressors
this is flawed reasoning when the amount of resources, x, can be changed by the US depending on which option you choose.
to be clear, I’m not saying I know what to do, but I think we have to allow that it’s a genuinely difficult decision, not a no-brainer
that’s just option 3
well no, there’s a spectrum, option 3 is the far end of it. the US goal is to make sovereignty cost too much suffering, and the Cuban goal is to suffer as little as possible while maintaining sovereignty. They have to decide how to maneuver in the greyzone between 2 and 3. Maybe pure 2 is tenable, but I don’t think that’s an easy determination to make, especially for an outside observer who is not plugged into all the information that decision-makers in Havana have access to.
Degism worked once. What are the odds that the US empire hasn’t learned it’s lesson and it could work again?
The material and historical conditions are not the same
Do we have enough working navy to try to interdict shipping with them while we’re are tripping on our dicks in the gulf? We seem to be at a unprecedented weak moment right now.
Cuba is within the US’ direct reach.
Despite how weak the US is right now, it’s still a global power. But most importantly, the US doesn’t care about civillian cost. They’ll just bomb Cuba repeatedly until the government relents and gives up to save its people.
We will have to see if the US will allow the Cuban Communist Party to have the same degree of control over the new market economy that China had during Deng era reforms.
They could had an agreement like the one Obama had with Raul Castro. The US ease the sanctions and embargo and Cuba allows US companies to operate within Cuba but under supervision of the Cuban Goverment (which was very close to the one they had with Nicaragua until Biden ruined that).
If Cuba slips an oil company some money does the US have the will to disrupt other Cuban operations? I can see us having a fairly rapid decline in imperial power here.
There’s a large gusano diaspora which will be very vocal in its want to destroy the Cuban revolution.
Lil Narco Rubio has been frothing at the mouth at the thought of destroying communism in LatAm
Cuba is too small too close to the US and it didn’t work well in Venezuela. If things work out well and Cuba doesn’t invaded, we can see Cuba becoming similar to Nicaragua who went from Traditional Marxism-Leninism to Democratic Socialism with Sandinismo.
The real difference maker is whether the vanguard party remains stable and is able to exert control over its capitalist class.
I don’t know enough venuzeula but I am under the impression that the Cuban conditions are fairly distinct. Which is why things worked so well for them in the first place.
it only worked cause they had the bomb (among other factors) you just get economically colonised if you try it without having some real power projection first. the scenario isn’t comparable at all really
That was Jim Crow america hitting 3’s. We are still in Biden’s America and we are not as powerful as we used to be.
The US is still most likely the number 1 military in the world, primarily because China isn’t interested in projecting power across the globe (if it was, the US would’ve had to retreat from Asia + Africa a while ago)
Iran, with all its abilities, still lost so many people to the Epstein empire. Cuba doesn’t have any of those advantages.
Difference between Cuba and China is massive. It won’t work.
Also, I don’t think we need Dengism as a separate term. Deng helped build Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.
He just analysed the material conditions to understand China couldn’t survive without reforms to the economy. Creating a separate branching ideology out of it is projecting this image that SWCC could be built without “Dengism”.
Cuba didn’t just survive, it thrived without a liberal economy. And it thrived despite the sanctions. Now it’s being forced to regress so the socialist state can be dismantled.
China didn’t regress, it altered course. Cuba didn’t alter course, it’s being forced to regress.
But have faith in the Cuban people. I don’t think there’s any country in the world more ideologically disciplined than the Cubans. They have firsthand seen what socialism means, and they’ll know what to do when the American empire implodes.
