Wayne enterprises apparently encompasses stuff like defense industries and medical insurance; if someone who’d been denied healthcare insurance and was either dying or slowly watching their body die or fall apart on them killed Bruce in a similar fashion, how would his friends react?
Superman, the flash and even green lantern are portrayed as fairly understanding people (although Superman and Batman are literally best friends), but Wonder woman is decidedly not; thing is, if they found the shooter, some guy who could barely walk, perhaps shaking from whatever ailment that progressed because his health insurance decided to delay as long as possible (with the likely intent of waiting the guy’s health out), what would they do? It’s hard for me to imagine even Wonder woman hurting some guy who can barely stand, even though she’s definitely one of the DC heroes who kills her enemies (or at least some of them).
I’d ask what if it was a person from the global South who’d been a victim of Wayne enterprises’ defense industries but honestly given DC is an American company, I can easily imagine Western heroes pounding the heck out of an Arab or African person who’d lost loved ones to Wayne enterprises.
Superman Reaction would be:
Wonder Woman Reaction would be: “By Hera. I didn’t know that. I just, you’re telling me now for the first time. He led an amazing life. What else can you say? He was an amazing bat-man. Whether you agree or not, he was an amazing bat-man who led an amazing life. I’m actually saddened to hear that.”
The Joker would probably kill the guy though.
The Joker would probably kill the guy though.
Having it be a comic where Bruce Wayne is revealed to be Batman after being Luigi’d and the Joker goes on to become a vigilante and hunt down the killer for revenge would be pretty good, especially if as the Joker does this he realises that the status quo Batman was defending was way crazier and messed up than any of the Joker’s schemes.
It would be cool, I think the Joker as much as he talks about Chaos and whatever, he sees Batman as something necessary for him and he probably enjoys the status quo. With other characters, I don’t think Superman would do anything, same with most other Justice League members, Diana would probably try to kill the guy though but Clark would talk her out of doing it. I can also see Talia trying to ressurect Bruce.
In the Absolute universe comic run: Batman becomes Luigi and the Joker becomes Bruce Wayne.
It has been the best capeshit comic ive read in years.
I’ve been meaning to get around to that, but thought I’d wait until more issues were out. I’m also concerned about whether they do that thing where you have multiple comic lines within that verse and you need to read all these comic lines to get the full picture (which I am absolutely not doing). The absolute verse does sound interesting, but I really don’t want to get sucked into needing to read multiple comic lines to understand everything.
They dont have much crossovers between each other, they are all pretty much standalone books
I really recomend absolute batman, its really good
Absolute Batman has a single crossover issue but you don’t need to know anything about the other comics because it ties directly to Batman’s character growth and not some shared plot.
Those superheroes aren’t really vengeance driven aside from Batman. They’d probably let the police pursue them.
If we’re applying reality to Batman, which I was thinking about the other year when watching Gotham, is that you have to consider multiple things:
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The Wayne parents, that is, Thomas Wayne and Martha Kane acted in ways that did not fit their bourgeois character and intelligence. They should have exited the opera through the lobby, wait for Alfred to pick them up, and then leave via their car. Also, billionaires still have private security when they do travel for outing/events and would not leave security up to an old SAS soldier but have multiple guards to protect them. In crime-ridden Gotham of all places. Even if Bruce was annoying them, people like the Waynes would know and act better. The Waynes were deliberately reckless in the Batman mythos.
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Bruce, as the son of a billionaire, despite being an orphan and his mother’s family being the only ones he had left, would still not have been as isolated as he would have been to indulge and sulk in his parents’ murder. Bruce would have been integrated into his family’s bourgeois circles of connections, friends, and family as means of surrogate fostercare and groom him to succeed his parents as bourgeois giants.
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Alfred was legal guardian of Bruce. Despite his sympathies for Bruce and wish to indulge him, Alfred would have been pressured by the bourgeois circle of Gotham and the state to put Bruce into trauma counseling, boarding schools, and away from his parents home and tomb.
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Gotham itself would have eventually self-corrected through bourgeois discipline, i.e: capital flight, divestment, and strikes from municipal bonds. I think the story gets away with this by making Wayne Enterprises a monopoly on the city, insulating the city from capital discipline, but corruption and crime still scare away investors and Wayne Enterprises would have eventually shrank enough for other financiers or industrialists to crowd out the rent-seekers like in the Court of Owls.
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This still wouldn’t stop the national and international bourgeoisie and state apparatus to discipline Gotham. A capital strike on municipal bonds would starve out the city of funds and connections to the state and federal governments would pressure investigations and emergency managers to subdue Gotham, as well as bring in a national guard as police/clean house of corrupt judiciaries. RICO became a thing for this reason. Tangentially, this type of crime-ridden hellscape city would drive out high/mid income earners into the suburbs or other cities. Labor flight & brain drain would happen too.
Alan Moore’s Watchmen and Killing Joke satirizes these superheroes well. They’re good reads.
The Wayne parents, that is, Thomas Wayne and Martha Kane acted in ways that did not fit their bourgeois character and intelligence. They should have exited the opera through the lobby, wait for Alfred to pick them up, and then leave via their car. Also, billionaires still have private security when they do travel for outing/events and would not leave security up to an old SAS soldier but have multiple guards to protect them. In crime-ridden Gotham of all places. Even if Bruce was annoying them, people like the Waynes would know and act better. The Waynes were deliberately reckless in the Batman mythos.
Bruce, as the son of a billionaire, despite being an orphan and his mother’s family being the only ones he had left, would still not have been as isolated as he would have been to indulge and sulk in his parents’ murder. Bruce would have been integrated into his family’s bourgeois circles of connections, friends, and family as means of surrogate fostercare and groom him to succeed his parents as bourgeois giants.
Alfred was legal guardian of Bruce. Despite his sympathies for Bruce and wish to indulge him, Alfred would have been pressured by the bourgeois circle of Gotham and the state to put Bruce into trauma counseling, boarding schools, and away from his parents home and tomb.
Gotham itself would have eventually self-corrected through bourgeois discipline, i.e: capital flight, divestment, and strikes from municipal bonds. I think the story gets away with this by making Wayne Enterprises a monopoly on the city, insulating the city from capital discipline, but corruption and crime still scare away investors and Wayne Enterprises would have eventually shrank enough for other financiers or industrialists to crowd out the rent-seekers like in the Court of Owls.
This still wouldn’t stop the national and international bourgeoisie and state apparatus to discipline Gotham. A capital strike on municipal bonds would starve out the city of funds and connections to the state and federal governments would pressure investigations and emergency managers to subdue Gotham, as well as bring in a national guard as police/clean house of corrupt judiciaries. RICO became a thing for this reason. Tangentially, this type of crime-ridden hellscape city would drive out high/mid income earners into the suburbs or other cities. Labor flight & brain drain would happen too.
Man I’m not nearly intelligent enough to understand most of this; I just wanted to know literally if Superman broke down the killer’s door and saw a frail, disabled man, what would he do (Superman, or most of the justice league).
If we were going to look at this literally, one could also ask why all these powerful criminals insist on operating in Gotham when so many other cities would be safer (there’s far less superheroes than there are cities; there’s also other countries). For instance why is the penguin, a corporate and political kind of evil, insisting on operating in Gotham? He also absolutely would have taken funds from AIPAC and Batman would be called anti-semitic if he opposed the penguin on the basis of taking funds from AIPAC.
I just wanted to know if the JL would pick the suffering people even if those people had killed one of their closest friends and ally.
why all these powerful criminals insist on operating in Gotham when so many other cities would be safer
Gotham sits above a Lazarus Pit, which is partly why there’s so much crime to begin with. Groups like the League of Shadows know about it, which is why they continue to invest in taking over the city. In some canons, Bane’s strength enhancing drug is made using the Lazarus Pit.
This has an affect on the rest of crime in the city. The groups vying for control need funding to fight each other, which means drugs/guns/racketeering/gambling/prostitution/legitimate businesses to act as fronts in order to bring in cash.
A pretty consistent thing is that Bruce does have connections to all the other diletantes and cultural and financial elites of the city. He actually has a very wide social circle. It just isn’t very deep.
And a hostile bond market and divestment form the city wouldn’t have corrected Gotham. You can’t lack of investment your way out of the joker.
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Nah I’d think the joker would be the one killing you if you shot bats
He was gonna ice Syd the Squid after everyone thought he greased the Batman
Tried to drown him in acid no less
That episode rules lol
Harley playing Taps on the kazoo was my ringtone for a year back in college
The flash would just fuck up the timeline to undo Batman’s death and you get a heartfelt moment of them convincing the shooter that violence isn’t the answer
Of course it depends on the writer but that’s a boring answer
If the Luigi is a normal person nothing happens, the Justice League is too button-down for that. Maybe Jason (Damien in tow? Depending on who’s writing he’s still trigger happy) goes after them but stops at the last moment cause the rest of the bat family talks him down
If their tragic backstory made them a proper villain things get more interesting, but I still predict that they would do a The Falcon and The Winter Soldier style “you have a point but this isn’t the way to go about it”. The villain either refuses to repent and dies by accident/their own hand or goes to Blackgate forever. Whoever inherits Wayne Enterprises (last time it was Tim) makes some token changes and the arc ends on a note of “incrementalism good, radical action bad”
You have to remember even when he’s dressed up as Bruce Wayne, he’s still Batman underneath. He’s not your regular bullshit billionaire, he’s batman who gets guns pulled on him all the time.
It’s also not fully explored but I’d like to think once he takes over Wayne Enterprises he does a Toby Stark/Oscar Schindler thing where he gets out of defence directly and the Wayne insurance would be the most generous plan you could be on. But that’s just a theory…
I hate batman!!! He’s just a liberal wet dream
The only correct answer is: the other superheroes would respond however the writers determine is the best vehicle for selling comic books and toys. If there is an internal push to refresh the Green Arrow IP, then Green Arrow goes postal over Bruce’s death. If they are going to try refreshing the batman story, maybe the other heroes do nothing in order to create a vacuum for batman’s replacement.
The Axis of Resistance could defeat the Justice League
Kill the bat
