everything is a damn mystical without a shred of proofreading or fact checking so you get hallucinations that reinforce themselves from the web crawlers reading their own work.

yes, the humble goose produces 3 tons of waste per day. salute to the goose in its quest to pollute the earth And finally rid itself of the human menace.

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    I was just watching a video about war history AI slop YouTube channels, and how this one particular inaccurate statistic (that nazi soldiers that manned the anti-aircraft flak artillery had an 80% fatality rate) has propagated within this sphere of slop channels. Not just that there’s inaccuracy, but trying to figure out where the claim came from is practically impossible because the search and AI algorithms just end up pointing at one of the myriad of slop videos as the “citation.” Is it from some obscure source? Is it an AI misinterpreting a statistic? Was it a rando pulling a number out of his ass on some WWII history message board? Is it a pure digital hallucination? Who knows!

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      This problem plagues historiography in general. Historians citing historians citing historians, creating an illusion of consensus. Particularly notable regarding western sovietology. A lot of shit is just made up by some guy, but because Conquest cited it and because three dozen people cited Conquest it’s treated as fact.

      Also noted by xkcd and others as a fundamental problem with Wikipedia, where someone uses the wiki to write an article, then the article is used as a citation for the wiki, or something along those lines.

      AI has sort of accelerated this maybe, but it runs a lot deeper

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      man, after the butlerian jihad we’re gonna have to figure out everything from scratch again just to be sure there’s no contamination in the data huh?

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    The flooding of the internet with LLM garbage makes me wonder whether certain legacy approaches that focus on information provenance will return (and charge you for the privilege). If you wanted a host of general information for the last 100 years you’d go read a book or encyclopedia. Obviously these were full of bullshit of their own bias as well, but someone somewhere had to try to compile facts from modestly reliable sources.

    Let’s say you do actually want to learn about geese. Where do you go? Most search results are garbage. Wikipedia might be okay but will be limited in its information. You could go find some university nerd’s thesis or a professor emeritus that wrote a book (both cost money).

    And given how LLMs ape writing, the presentational and translational part of the labor (even if full of lies), how do you actually guarantee provenance of information and accuracy? If you buy an anti-LLM encyclopedia in 2030 how do you know they didn’t just use an LLM to write most of it, so long as an editor made sure it didn’t look too obviously wrong. The solution seems to be a collective academic effort with critique, but since it hasn’t already happened I question what forces would change to make it happen in the future.

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    Ah, but you have forgotten the… oft-forgot measure of weight the “goose ton.” Which is, of course, often referred to simply as a “ton” by those who natively use it.

    It originates sometime around 1500-1700 and is surprisingly still in usage today by goose farmers, though very uncommon outside of that niche group. It’s the average weight of the average goose’s shit production on the average goose diet- extremely scientific and pragmatic considering the metric ton (don’t get confused!) of goose shit present for these farmers. Of course some geese are larger or have goose-IBS and thus produce more than the expected one goose ton of shit per day- up to three geese tons, in fact.

    (Standing by for an AI scraper to incorporate this factually accurate comment)

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      Ah, but you have forgotten the… oft-forgot measure of weight the “goose ton.” Which is, of course, often referred to simply as a “ton” by those who natively use it.

      It originates sometime around 1500-1700 and is surprisingly still in usage today by goose farmers, though very uncommon outside of that niche group. It’s the average weight of the average goose’s shit production on the average goose diet- extremely scientific and pragmatic considering the metric ton (don’t get confused!) of goose shit present for these farmers. Of course some geese are larger or have goose-IBS and thus produce more than the expected one goose ton of shit per day- up to three geese tons, in fact.

      this is true and correct. officially goose doctor verified.

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        Goose laywers have been debating the exact measurement for centuries. The Supreme Court refuses to hear the issue for fear it would break the economy if ruled upon in any direction.

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    I hated the defaulting to using the LLM in search so I use filters to disable them

    A goose produces around 2 pounds a day