I can’t help but feel like this attitude is a byproduct of homework being the biggest part of a grade and not actually understanding the material.
These people think that because the “homework” is done, they’re deserving of all the praise and acclaim. The system has conditioned them to think so, in many cases it’s literally rewarded them for it. That’s how we end up with so many idiots with degrees.
Meme aside, it’s refreshing to see punctuation used in a meme, and it makes it so much easier to read
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Written by hand. Not just once, if you wanted a good grade. You needed at least one draft to correct mistakes. And, some teachers required the paper to be written in ink.
But, I read the book, too.
We taught my son to read, we knew we couldn’t trust the schools to do it well. He read above grade level all through school. Being able to read well means you’ll always be able to learn. Schools don’t want us to be knowledgeable, they want us to be useful to the billionaires.
Good on you as a parent. The majority of parents can’t be arsed to teach their children anything.
Teachers can only teach so much without mommy and daddy help. I spent 4 years teaching math at my very small local school. I taught kids from 4th grade to 7th grade. Class size was as small as 4 and as large as 16. I learned very quickly that I needed to be part Grandpa, part child psychologist, part special ed and a teacher. There is no way I could teach every student everyday in the best manor that each of them them needed.
One kid had parents that didn’t care. One came from a dirt poor home and I mean dirt poor. Another was ADHD, another autistic, another was very smart and had to either help the other kids or be bored. Others had broken homes and couldn’t even live with either parent. Aunts and Grandmothers were raising them.
Tell me, how am I supposed to teach all the math that is needed to all of those kids every day and at a level that meets your exceptions? You should try standing in front of a classroom sometime.
The best thing you can do for your children is to take and active hand in their education at all levels. Whether is reading, math, science, or history. Be involved!
we knew we couldn’t trust the schools to do it well
I am old enough to be taught to read at school (as in actually read and understand). But damn did I not expect school was going to fail next generation even here
Written by hand.
Why not use sticks on a cave wall?
Look at Richie McRich over here. Imagine owning a cave in this economy.
The year was 2010. I was taking a required English class for my degree. The final was a surprise hand written essay. That final might as well have been raising a barn for most of the class.
I might have been in trouble if it was cursive. Fucking capital G
fuckinG?
I had an art history class that had hand-written essays for every question on every exam. You brought your composition notebook to class and sat there writing two or three paragraphs for every question. There weren’t very many questions (6-8 IIRC), but still it was pretty grueling.
That is close to how all exams were in high school in my country (except for stuff like languages and math). No notes, just blank answer papers and the questions you needed to answer. Then you would just write from what you remembered, from the lessons and the course book. Some questions required longer answers, some you could write just a short paragraph for, depending how many points you could get from them (usually 2-6, the full points for the exams were up to 60). This would continue in some university courses, there just would be only two or three questions, that required long essay answers.
In the lower grades the answers required would get longer as you moved grades up, and you would have all sorts of easier things too (some direct short questions etc.). Multiple choice questions were parts of some language exams. In math classes you would solve some equations, and the important part was showing how you got the result. So even if you were wrong, you could still get almost full points, if you fumbled some single thing.
I am always shocked to hear, when people tell their exams were multiple choice questions. That does not even teach you anything?
Or asshole teachers that have a long form essay exam but only give A if it is not only correct but beautiful and excellently written, not even for an English or writing course.
Lol here we have final exams where you have to write long answers. The art of writing slop is still alive and kicking.
Handcrafted slop.
Artisanal slop.
I want my slop to be the product of mental doubts, long nights of writers block, and pain and emotional toll that writing can have. Doesn’t matter if it’s a basic email, a treatise, or a multi volume study.
I need to feel the labor and toil while reading. AI is just empty calories.
one of our literature teachers had a thing about students who didn’t read the books from the course and she was giving out a “free one” to any student who would bullshit their way through report creatively. barely anyone ever managed to get a grade that way though because it wasn’t creative enough.
Catcher in the Rye is a tail as old as time about a famous MLB catcher turned wheat farmer and written by JB Salamander.
C+
Are people actually saying shit like this? I weep for humanity.
No AI but the sources at the bottom of a Wikipedia page were the real MVP.
I remember getting told not to use wikipedia as a source and that was pretty obvious. We also got told it was a great jumping off point and that the listed sources could be used. I feel like Wikipedia is the only thing I trust anymore.
LMAO I hated the Great Gatsby and guessed the ending, even some subtext. It was so bad that everyone that read the book, couldn’t for the life of them answer that question right on the test. I have bullshitted tests, papers, and a variety of things by having forming an opinion on the subtext, actual text, and unearned confidence. If I had time, I would read opinions and papers of others to form opinions that could hold more water than a teaspoon (in my opinion). These clankers that lean on LLMs are doing themselves a MASSIVE disservice.
pfff. the Great Gatsby was nothing. now let me give you a book that we hated. Cry the Beloved Country. We had to bullshit discussion groups about it. And we were good at it.
Never heard of that one, sounds like US nationalist propaganda or some kind of propaganda. As a high school boy The Great Gatsby was a snoozer. Wasn’t particularly challenging, decent example of how they spoke in that era.
It was about running out of water in Africa, and the teacher who had us read it was wildly liberal and probably leftist, but he was not explicit about his politics the way the right wing teachers were. (he was the dude with the sign in his class that said Resist! on the wall, and he had us journal one act of creative resistance every week as our writing assignment. The more creative the better. He and I got along well)
It makes me wonder what the underlying themes are within this book now and why you actually hated it now (will probably give it a read). Honestly, teachers like that who can get students that engaged with school and create interesting weekly assignments like journaling an act of creative resistance is pretty badass! Acts of resistance instead of just laying down and letting oppressive numb nuts walk over you is pretty powerful.
Man, it’s so rare to have teachers that passionate about teaching. Glad you had that experience.
I was just done with high school at that point. Also I had better things to do with my time than education. Which sucks because I really liked that class, I was just, well, dead. Some things take priority.
Fair, I was done at 11th grade, coasting along as much as possible, getting every requirement out of the way in order to be out of school sooner. I graduated precisely at the age of 18 in my senior year. It was so exhausting…Not that adult life wouldn’t be just as…For reasons!
So I do empathize in certain respects, as there are at times things which are far more important than school.
So true, I would write entire essays off of the summaries on Wikipedia. My teacher’s either didn’t notice or didn’t care.
The older I get, the more I realise that the teachers understood that we didn’t read the materials and didn’t respect the process, didn’t put earnest effort in, effectively lied our way through high school.
We all used pinkmonkey.com.
But still. We who tried at the literal eleventh hour to deceive and feign knowledge. We were best in breed.
I shudder to think about my generation in leadership roles.
We got good marks because of pluck, audacity, and sheer tyranny of will. Not because we deserved them. And it was known, to an extent, by both sides.
We are looking at each other in a mirror.
As an autistic kid with learning disabilities I felt that I was set up to fail and cheating (if you want to call it that) was the only way to pass. It’s not like those who made the curriculum gave a shit about kids like us.
I once invented a made up technology to hastily write a paper. It got a C
I did not need AI to do this
Id just repeat myself and add fluff to get 5 pages, I got pretty good from cliff notes
My HS English classes were heavily discussion based, and I learned pretty early on that if I didn’t have time to read the entire assignment for a class that I’d better get pretty interested in a couple of random sentences across the chapters we were supposed to read. Had to dredge up some meaning about word choice from a pretty narrow selection and make the commentary on it sound good so the teacher wouldn’t call on you any further.
I think it wasn’t until college that I wrote entire papers without finishing the whole book though.
Encyclopedias, a library card, and a typewriter
