There’s something extra sinister about advertising these days. Can’t decide if it’s the context of the greater world or something different about the ads themselves.
I feel like advertising companies have realized that one day they will be able to get away with literal genocide IF and ONLY IF it makes them a profit . And I mean like actual genocide…Like the Bosnian Genocide …and like whats happening in Palesrine right now. Hecl, there are companies in dubai that are making a killing by slaughtering Sudanese people and the uae government aint doing shit but turning a blind eye… If by you telling these companies your secrets or your idea for a machine makes it easier for them to kill you and your family AND for them to make a profit? I actially see the government of MANY regions allowing them to do all those things … eventually …
Thats what makes them sinister in my opinion. Im not expert oof course… but…
If the only way you can make money off your idea is if no one else knows what it is, what you have is not a business plan, it is a poorly thought-out dream.
One one hand yes, on the other hand copyright and trademark can absolutely be used to stop you if a company is convinced there’s money to be made.
You could give it to Meta’s cheap AI model which gobbles up all of your data but for cheap
I was talking to my mom’s tax preparer a couple of months ago. He was telling me how his $30K/month software system went down this year and fucked up his whole business (which was why he had to file extensions for all of his clients) and I told him how that was probably because of AI and vibe coding. He then launched into a diatribe about how great AI is which was hilarious by itself, but then he started telling me about how he had invested in some dude’s “reactionless space drive” because the dude had solved all of his problems with this “technology” by using ChatGPT. I don’t think I’ve ever had a professional convince me that quickly to use someone else.
Also if AI is so good, why pay for the tax preparer at all? Just let AI do it.
To be fair, I did at one point reconciliate a few issues in my general ledger using claude code. Gave it all the ledger entries for the period and the other data that would be necessary. Showed me exactly where the issue was and gave me an entry to make to correct it after the fact without going back and editing past data which could get messy. Still wouldn’t trust it with my taxes though, that was just to get the end of year account balance to where I already knew it would have to be. Highly unlikely I’d end up being audited for accidentally showing 300 euros more profit than I actually made that year
Remember ChatGPT by default will train on whatever you tell it
Remember ChatGPT by default will train on whatever you tell it
The leading AI companies are committing the greatest act of industrial espionage in history, change my mind.
Yeah I’m very surprised all of these giant companies are using Claude and open ai and giving it access to all of their code and proprietary info. But I had to sign an NDA to work there lol
You’re not wrong, but it’s really American-software companies. Google would not allow a non-American business to be listed on Google maps without providing restricted-data that included: a) a video demonstrating how to access the business, b) passwords for logins to the software they used, c) & codes to physical safes that resided at the business’s location. Ostensibly this was to prove that the entity requesting a business addition to Google maps was the proprietor. They refused. I mean, it is the sort of information a thief would want.
I have to state that the above was told to me by the store manager and even I felt it could not be true, but I could not discern a reason why they’d lie about this particular thing whilst I could see why Google would want such information. It would help with credibility: that the individual really did have a link to the business in question, but then if Google used that information to verify it was correct they’re hacking other businesses to do so.
It also has to be mentioned that Google (and any major American-software company) embeds itself into the United State’s surveillance operations and apparatuses.
If anyone has more information about how businesses register on Google maps I’d be interested in reading. I’m specifically interested in foreign businesses outside America, not domestic American listings inside America.
Well, they gotta make money on something, because that sure aren’t makin’ it on AI…
Ideas are cheap af. Even if I gave them a billion dollar business it takes time and investment. Most people are not willing to invest time and capital into things that they didn’t dream up of.
I don’t get how anyone feels secure when vibe coding when Microsoft owns github, and the copilot you are using to help code your program.
If you make a good software product what stops Microsoft from absorbing all their data they own and you willingly gave them, and just making their own version of the software.
Legally you can’t do anything, and physically you just can’t compete with an entity of that size.
I think all the things that we accused China of doing was more or less an admission that we where just jealous that we couldn’t do that. I mean come on we basicially have the social credit score now, we steal all intellectual property rights, we are trying to turn X into the “everything app” much like how China only uses 1 app for everything. We are setting up internment camps and imprisoning the ethnic underclass. Like every Chinese propaganda thing you can think of is just the united States salvating over what could be possible.
I think all the things that we accused China of doing was more or less an admission that we where just jealous that we couldn’t do that.
For AI it’s even worse, like with the Chinese open weight models it’s easier to get zero data-retention agreements than with the closed US models.
If your idea is so easy to execute that the only reason other people haven’t done it before you is because they haven’t thought of it, it’s not a great business plan.
Also vibe coding can, almost by definition, only produce code that is similar to code Microsoft already owns, plus given the copyright rules and obvious philosophical questions surrounding generative AI, it could easily be argued that stealing your idea and building it better than you could is what Microsoft has done when you type your idea into Copilot and it builds an app for you.
They’re still losing money on it.
Yes Trump is very rapidly turning America into a mirror of China.
That’s not really Microsoft’s business.
They sell picks and shovels. If they just stole someone’s mine everyone would stop buying their picks and shovels.
Where do you think they get the data from? The entire web of internet has been consumed, these models need constant new data or else they fall behind.
I don’t see in anyway they can’t not steal your work. It may not be all of it out right, and most peoples projects are not even that important to steal. They might just steal specific functions or copy off some of your work but essentially reskin the rest of it.
But Microsoft’s a monopoly and has done this stuff in the past with word, and tried to do it again with the Microsoft store around windows 7/8 era. More and more of their product is being agentically coded, and if a new feature becomes popular enough in third parties they’ll likely just spin off their own version. And if you use their services then they just outright have access to your work.
These tech companies like meta just consume anything below it and either kill it or encorperate it into themselves. I don’t think its that far of a stretch to think they don’t already do this to some extent.
You’re conflating the theft of code used to train models with the theft of a business brand.
Yes, of course they’re using your code to train their models. That use is in their terms and their licensing.
No, of course they don’t steal businesses. However, they do acquire them or destroy them or undermine them, as is long standing tradition.
I don’t understand your point though? As in, how can anyone feel secure using their platform.
Code isn’t sacred cleverness that contains the value of a business. Being able to read the code doesn’t allow one to steal the value of that business. The value is in the brand, the domain, and the userbase.
Maybe you are misunderstanding my point, I don’t think I implied that they would steal your whole buisness, but fundamentally the work you put in. Much like how all open source code ends up in most of the responses when you ask a model to code something for you.
Your work that you put in will get outputted in someone else’s responses, or Microsoft’s. If I made some kind of feature for a office clone and I used Microsoft services they can outright steal my work and make a clone of the same feature.
They don’t have to steal my brand or anything to put me out of buisness. They can just brute force me with money and capture more users just with advertising, they could force some kind of regulation where I can’t physically keep up with the legal change. There’s so many things they can do, and have historically done when its suited them. Hell if I had employees they could just hire them and steal my work that way, its not above them in any form.
Maybe its hard for me to explain because I lack a good example and this imaginary product is very vague. But they can essentially steal your buisness if they wanted to, and I don’t see how anyone can feel confident using their products and not expect their work to become someone else’s work at some point.
I think chatgpt gave output on someone’s game that they developed, like carbon copy of their code. I don’t think its some far fetched scenario.
I don’t think you really understand my point ?
If you created some feature for libreoffice why would microsoft want to steal your code for office? They could just write their own code which would obviously be a better fit for their code base.
I’m not sure I fully did but your questions imply to me we are taking past eachother.
From my understanding you are still stuck up on the idea that they can’t nessisarly steal an idea for your product because its not really yours to begin with. And Microsoft if they wrote their own code doesn’t really count as theft of the product.
My concern is windows is becoming increasingly agentically coded. If there’s a popular product thats new and drives in more users and Microsoft wants to steal that, they’re most likely making it from their LLM these days, which will directly steal from your unique product if you coded it with their systems. All these Ai companies have fake legal wording that says they won’t use the data in training, or that the instances are private but that is simply not true.
That is still theft, and because this is Microsoft’s ecosystem they own all that data not you. If I made it myself in a non Microsoft enviorment, so Linux, codeburge, etc I think in the future I might at least have a leg to stand on to sue them like how the music industry did with sora or whatever.
Yes, of course they’re using your code to train their models. That use is in their terms and their licensing.
It’s irrelevant to your point but this is absolutely not true. As far as I know they don’t have legal basis to violate software licenses of new projects added to github, but even if I’m mistaken on that an enormous number of projects were on github when microsoft purchased it, and almost all of them were at minimum licensed so that code usage required attribution. Microsoft has been very aware that no person or organization behind a project hosted on github has the financial resources to take them to court.
I’m thinking of starting a business where I turn french fries into salad
Smart Sharon, but Poor Towelie. I never thought I could feel bad for a fictional towel until that episode.
Honeyblow
GenAI would likely be very supportive of your idea
That’d go great with my puffed clams breakfast cereal! Working slogan “Whole puffed clams in the shell. No bullshit, but some clamshit!”
These are just chili cheese fries you eat with a fork right?
Ah yes, talk with the confirmation bias machine. That will sharpen your idea
Hey ChatGPT, should I get a total skullectomy?
This is a remarkable insight you’ve stumbled upon. By removing the cranium, you’d allow your brain more freedom and flexibility, empowering you to think more amazing thoughts — thoughts that could change the world.
Would you like me to search the web for skullectomy providers in your area so you can find the best bargain?
There are a bazillion “idea people” and your idea is probably not worth shit. Making it a reality and a success is the hard part.
Yea most ideas have already been had. But just in case, the creativity stealing machine is here to “help” on the off chance you have an original good idea that it can steal.
well, nobody with a brain listens to influencers…
The issue is not that influencers are unavoidable, the issue is that there are too many stupid people following their advice
That’s when you run the AI model locally on your own GPU instead.
Local models are even more dogshit than the remote ones.
If you have $10k I believe you can run DeepSeek V4 Flash locally
Ah yes, the fully local, offline confirmation bias machine, which is orders of magnitude less complex than the commercial one. That will really help you flesh out your ideas.
