• CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Alt right have a love/hate relationship with LE right now

      On the one hand, they are the instrument of fascism.

      On the other hand, they see it as unfairly being abused against their Dear Leader. Thus, the only fair thing to do is to use it unfairly against their enemies.

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      This would’ve been the best image to use! Never sully Captain Planet or the Planeteers, as they were a cheesy source of goodness in the world.

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    You forgot 95% of the GOP platform: culture wars.

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      The snowflake/fake news party: everything they accuse everyone else is the prime order of how they operate.

      Oh, I’m so violated that people are {gay woke atheist scientist brown black Muslim female voting speaking or reading truth thinking}

      Growing up, my friend would declare: God is a Black Swedish Lesbian Jew & She Loves to Disco. He knew the playing field 30 years ago.

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      The folks who talk about individual freedumb and guv’mint minding its own business sure love telling people what they can do to their bodies, books they can read, or call themselves.

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    I mean tbf Madisonian democracy is literally defined as an Oligarchy of Household Head Landowners.

    Nevermind something like the black vote or women’s vote, Andrew Jackson abolishing property requirements destroyed “Madisonian Democracy”

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      Uh. Madisonian Democracy is the division of powers between the three branches of government: Executive, Legislative, Judiciary.

      Each one is a check against the other and a guard post against dictatorship. It’s a brilliant system and not the…whatever bullshit you threw out there.

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        Oh yes what a brilliant system that can be blown apart by the president just deciding they have unchecked power now. Where any mechanism of accountability is either captured or so far beyond the realm of possibility that even one of the most bipartisan major votes I have seen in my lifetime failed to remove from office the most obviously criminal person to hold the office of president.

        Your brilliant system relies entirely on the people inside it wanting it to continue working, and nothing about that is brilliant except the amount of almost willing lack of foresight it would take to not account for participants willingly attempting to sabotage and stop it up from within.

        Not to mention how separating the executive from the legislative is itself a terrible idea that is no good and bad and stupid and dumb and Madison should have fucking known better, the independent executive is an inherent threat to democracy, it inherently aches against the limitations placed against it by the legislature, and inherently seeks ways to leech powers away from the legislature.

        The true order of divisions should be State, Government, and Justice.

        The State should be comprised of a greatly expanded Senate headed by a States’ Tribune elected from their ranks and accountable to them charged with the duties of calling votes to invoke vetoes, calling votes to issue pardons, and performing the other functions of the head of state.

        The Government should be headed by an even greaterly expanded house with the departments of the executive staffed by leaders elected from Congress as well as a Consul elected from their ranks and accountable to them. They perform the main body of the work of passing legislation, but can veto senate actions as much as the senate can veto theirs, and are the upper house because fuck anyone who puts the people’s representatives below the house of dirt.

        The judiciary needs to be a legal monkhood of judges who are pulled for cases with federal jurisdiction at random, and that can’t pull any of that marbury v madison shit where they just decide they have new powers now either. The “Chief Justice” will be the senior most judge pulled for a case, and thr junior most will serve as the foreman of the bench of “jurors.”

        That’s how you build a government that can keep operating even with active fuckery afoot, make it big, big to the point that attempts to mess with it can’t be realized at scale anymore, make the responsibilities and duties clear and concrete, and for the love of god create means of accountability that are actually able to get used when someone still manages to fuck around so spectacularly that it warrants an immediate finding out.

        None of this impeachment shit where the other side being more popular than a literal pile of horse shit means they can block any and all accountability. Still have that in there, but also have lesser accountability measures that don’t take a political act of god to slap down on a judge literally caught taking bribes, or a national leader literally trying to send a lynch mob after his political rivals.

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          Nothing is perfect, and the American system relies on

          A) an educated population (that’s why education is first thing on the chopping block in republican budgets)

          B) representatives in office who adhere to their oaths to protect the constitution. (We have a party currently seeking to end representative democracy and billionaires that have worked for 40 plus years to errode it to the point its gotten to)

          In theory, it’s one of the best forms of governance ever created. It’s one weakness relies on the majority to “do the right thing.” Unfortunately, the republican party has done so much damage over time it’s going to take a long time to fix. Will the American population be able to understand that? Guess we will see.

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            340 million souls and an arsenal of nuclear arms warrants a more critical examination of what went wrong than “guess we’ll see.”

            You just tried to rephrase exactly what I said was the problem as if it’s some noble flaw, no, being designed to rely on everyone acting in good faith is stupidity and naivete at its most blatant.

            Not even because I’m a cynic who believes people are inherently self interested or whatever the fuck, because they act self interestedly often enough that building a major government system around presumption of good faith is a sign that you are a complete moron who doesn’t understand how anything actually works.

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      They’re for law and order for everybody else:

      Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

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        I had to laugh when a righty was trying to argue with studies that the left is less tolerant to the out-group. I might have caused him to have a brain aneurysm when I said, “well no shit, given the diversity of the left’s in-group, the only population remaining in the out-group are ignorant assholes.”

        Paradox of Tolerance at its finest.

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          I really like the “tolerance is not a moral precept, it’s a peace treaty” reading of tolerance:

          Tolerance is not a moral absolute; it is a peace treaty. Tolerance is a social norm because it allows different people to live side-by-side without being at each other’s throats. It means that we accept that people may be different from us, in their customs, in their behavior, in their dress, in their sex lives, and that if this doesn’t directly affect our lives, it is none of our business. But the model of a peace treaty differs from the model of a moral precept in one simple way: the protection of a peace treaty only extends to those willing to abide by its terms. It is an agreement to live in peace, not an agreement to be peaceful no matter the conduct of others. A peace treaty is not a suicide pact.

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    Wait, I hate law enforcement and the judicial system and want to destroy the republic and madisonian democracy…

    Hold on, how come theres a homophobic panel?