I do not believe any serious future society will allow completely anonymous internet for its users. There’s just too much harm that comes from being able to say and do whatever without your person being associated with it.
That if you move to another country you should be learning that language to the best of your capabilities. I work with a lot of foreigners and the amount of them that are incapable or simply unwilling to speak, in my case, Dutch is insanely high. I do think we as a society should invest more in schooling and developing both the native and the new language of course. But learn the fucking language. At least try.
a) languages are hard. but immersion helps
b) I think the vast majority if expats won’t even consider learning the local language.
Languages is hard that’s true. An initiative our party took is the ‘festival of the mother tongue’ in which many different nationalities can showcase their language and local cuisine and whatnot. Really helps people think about language.
Also, it turns out that further developing your native language can also help with learning a new language. Hence why I think it’s important to stimulate that as well though reading and stuff.
also the question is if there are programs to help people learn the local language, rather then demonising them for struggling
Ok but it’s Dutch, I understand the hesitation
Everybody ganster until they have to pronounce arbeidsongeschiktheidsverzekering
In my top 3 most ridiculous languages for sure, can’t keep a straight face listening to those people, lol.
I agree, especially for those American expats
As a global south citizen, I don’t care a single iota about domestic/social cultural policies of western politicians or parties, and would be glad to see a socially conservative movement take power there if it meant an end to Genocide, War, and economic exploitation in my part of the world. I guess it is some form of critical support, same reason I support Iran and Russia in their resistance to Imperialism despite their less than ideal social stances.
I thought the question was “what is THE single most right wing view” and i was like “Idk probably supporting genocide” then i read the comments and was so confused.
Glad i didnt comment without reading the question again that would have looked bad.
Its hard cuz idk what even is right wing or isnt half the time.
I don’t remember the exact quote, but i saw something like “To be a revolutionary is to be a ruthless bloodthirsty monster.” attributed to Che Guevara. I agree with it. I think to operate as a revolutionary successfully against something like a capitalist regime you can’t afford to limit your actions. You do what you have to do to win. No matter how cruel, no matter how unreasonable. Victory is the only goal. For any suffering you may cause pales in comparison to the suffering caused by your failure.
Market reforms of Deng were amazing
I hope you won’t mind my ultra moment here. I think while the results speak for themselves, he got lucky.
Even in retrospect, Deng Xiaoping seems to be the rightmost someone can be and still reasonably be considered a communist. Looking at some of his unimplemented ideas and the policies that were reversed in the following decades, it’s understandable why someone would think he was a capitalist roader in his time. The path he set the CPC on meant that the party had to walk a difficult tightrope, fooling the westerners by obfuscating their long-term plans while keeping the creeping liberalism at check. Whole the capacity of her administrators and will of her people played the main part, China couldn’t have made it to today without fortune by their side.
Tldr I agree but only with hindsight
I think while the results speak for themselves, he got lucky.
It was a leap of faith and incredible trust in the future generations. If that went as market reforms did elswhere we would be now cursing him as second Gorbachev (or Gorbachev as second Deng). And the world could be as well completely doomed with no socialist China.
I don’t think this is an ultra moment, so much as leaving out dialectics. Luck always factors into things, yeah, but the results speak for themselves because communist theory and practice works, and socialist projects continuously show this. The way they went about it could have gone wrong in a number of ways, sure, but so can working toward a revolution, so can the start of a revolution, so can the day to day mundanity of organizing a local party meeting, etc. It’s how you use the dialectical process to adapt to the shifting circumstances and predict outcomes that makes the difference. And of course the people themselves, the struggle they put into it every step of the way. But point being, Deng and whoever all agreed with his path were picking a path and trying it, and in some ways it worked and some ways it didn’t, and they have adjusted since. It’s that adjusting that is so pivotal.
Or to put it another way, while luck is always a factor in things, analysis can usually reveal that there’s less luck than it might seem at a glance and sometimes it’s a matter of how deep you get into the factors in play. Casinos play on this all the time by having the appearance of handing over outcomes to luck, but in reality, being heavily weighted toward the “house winning.”
isnt that true all the time though? i remember reading in john reeds book that what made the soldiers finally break for the october revolution was kerenski demanding and not asking. Up until then a lot were undecided and the revolution might have failed because the ones that were decided were stronger on kerenskis side? so much in life is up to chance that the best you can do is hedge your bets
Death penalty is good actually, as long as it isn’t used just on minorities. Super useful to scare capitalists.
Death penalty, but only for the bourgeoisie and for politicians who betray the proletariat
And child pr3dators
Oh fuck yes, no list for them, just straight to the guillotine after sentencing
And for supporters of death penalty
I don’t think fear is a good reason to be using the death penalty. Tho tbf, considering the topic question, it does sound pretty right-wing to be wanting to use fear as a tactic to control people.
i know deterrence doesn’t work for regular crime but maybe it does for white-collar crimes that are premeditated conspiracies and continuously reaffirmed by the perpetrators?
I mean, I’m not against state intervention in suppressing the capitalist class during the transition to where class doesn’t exist. That’s an important thing. I’m not even opposed to China’s handling of corruption, which sometimes involves death sentence as far as I know - I don’t know what reasoning they’re operating from and why they think that makes sense for them, so it wouldn’t make sense for me to weigh in on it.
But as a general principle concept of promoting death penalty to “scare” “bad people”, I don’t see how it would accomplish anything on that alone. If regular people commit crimes in spite of scary repression when they are desperate enough, capitalists and the like no doubt will some of the time too because the inertia of their class circumstances drive them toward financial crimes. And fearing getting caught may deter some people some of the time, but it doesn’t address the inertia.
I can however think of at least one other reason more directly practical that a socialist state might go for death penalty for some financial crimes. Which is, in dealing with imperialism along with concerns about internal reactionaries, there’s always the possibility that a corrupt figure who is influential enough / has strong enough ties can escape or get released later by some form of opposition and used further against the working class.
The difference is that capitalists aren’t desperate. They commit crimes just to make numbers get bigger. Just fining corporations for doing crimes doesn’t do anything, because then it just becomes a cost of doing business. You must attack the people in the corporations making the decisions to make money, and the death penalty is one of the tools for that.
To understand the use of the death penalty, imagine how many worker hours a capitalist who steals a billion dollars takes away. Assuming the average US salary (~$66,000) and working lifespan (77.43 years - 20 yr childhood), they’ve stolen the entire life earnings of 264 Americans. These calcs look even worse for any non-U.S. country because the theft is usually done in USD, but all the workers make a much less valuable currency.
As of now, China mostly uses death sentence with reprieve for financial crimes, which means that if the sentenced person doesn’t commit another crime in a couple years, their sentence gets demoted to life sentence. Actual execution has only been used for extreme cases, such as Sichuan mining tycoon Liu Han, worth $6.4 billion, for his crime syndicate of gambling, loan sharking, illicit arms trading, contract killing, and actual lethal shootings.[1]
Thanks for the context on how China does it. As far as the rest of it goes, I’m in total agreement that the damage done by some of these people is extremely egregious. I am specifically disagreeing on the idea of fear as a tactic, especially as it relates to the death penalty, in a general principle way. There may be some contexts where it makes sense, but if we’re talking about it in the abstract, it just comes off like the usual punitive philosophy on crime that is common in, for example, the US. Surely there is far more to it than fear of punishment that helps deter the capitalists in a place like China - that’s kind of where my mind goes with it. I don’t think fear is generally a healthy mechanism to be using against a populace and I’m doubtful that it does much as a deterrent, especially without negative side effects. But there is also the ideal and the conditions, and sometimes the conditions demand things that are not the ideal to get through. So that’s where I try to emphasize that I’m talking about the idea of it, not trying to judge how existing socialist projects do things, especially without understanding why.
Found Luigi’s account. hi
There should be substantial financial and social help given to families that want to have children, and they should get more help the more children they have.
(But to balance that out with a left wing policy, i also want free contraception for everyone who doesn’t want children.)
Definitely. I hope China will be the first country to find a good solution to the birth crisis faced by all developed countries, since no capitalist country has found a solution yet. Reducing working hours, providing social support, increasing household wealth and living standards, and decreasing stress from raising kids should hopefully fix this.
Aren’t those both left?
this 100%. We had a kid during the lock downs our government was paying everyone to stay inside. me and my partner got to stay in and focus on being parents, taking our time and doing a much better job then if we had to worry about making rent and feeding us on minimum wage.
What was that time like?
it was really great for the most part. the covid lock down part kinda sucked but the rest was great and it really shifted my perspective on a lot of things. the main one being having a kid isn’t actually the hard part about having a kid, capitalism is the hard part of having a kid, we just got to focus on what’s important instead of making money to keep us alive.
That’s beautifully put, genuinely.
I get the sense that despite all the hardship, was there a sense of camaraderie, unity, and love and togetherness and stuff, among your family and Chinese people in general?
Reading these comments got me like “🙂”
Public smoking should be banned. And I’m not sure why so many people insist that they have a right to pollute everyone else’s air. Especially when asthma is not an uncommom condition.
And kids are being hurt just by this drug abuse being on public display almost everywhere
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No, most of the views in this thread aren’t right wing views. Not allowing smoking in public because it’s hazardous to other health would be considered more of a left wing ideal because it puts the health of the working class as a whole over the desire of the individual to poison themselves.
So many of these comments are actually just extreme views that many people actually agree with. Most seeming to be left wing oriented. Threads like this are always stupid because the author is just trying to start controversy in the community and most of the commenters aren’t going to post their ACTUAL right wing thoughts because they know they will get downvoted and harassed for them.
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To be fair, this is lemmygrad
I suppose that’s a way to see it. In my experience being around hippies and ultra left people, a weirdly common view is that tobacco and weed are completely harmless and it should be allowed everywhere.
But that might have been them talking from their addicted perspective?
Comrades need to look presentable and dress normally when they are representing Marxism in a public form. Part of being a communist is appealing to everyday people. There is a reason why every successful communist movement, from the Panthers to the Bolsheviks, presented themselves well and professionally.
This isn’t even really right-wing.
Yes. Optics means something to many people, and respecting that will help the movement
Idk if it’s right wing, but seconding what Comprehensive49 said, death penalty for bourgeoisie, nazis, fascists and also pedos and rapists are kill on sight.
Also, I don’t know if this counts, but we really shouldn’t pressure any countries to ditch their old believes and traditions which they had for centuries, for example, Muslim countries in terms of everyone suddenly accepting LGBT etc, it will come with time, it can’t be done overnight. I’m of course not talking about Saudi Arabia and their monarchy, they have to go, but other Muslim countries
I have lived some time in North Africa(can’t say which country) and have connection with a lot of people from there, since I’m asexual I haven’t had any problems, but they really don’t care about LGBT in best case scenario from my experience and some unfortunately see it as western thing but are otherwise some of the best people I met. So unless they’re Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan in terms of it, I say let them be, with socialism, it will be better with time.
I agree on allowing culture to change naturally. When you try to abrupty impose social policies that oppose aspects of people’s culture, they naturally push back. I feel that much of the hostility towards LGBT and the like seems to be due to people’s desperation so they think that doing what “God” likes will get them more stuff. Naturally, if everyone has all the stuff they need, then no one will need to care much.
Wanting death to rapists is all well and good but I heard from a victim that, because most sexual abuse is committed by people the victims know, punishing them with death disincentivizes people from reporting their abusers. Maybe that can be alleviated by teaching people from a young age to recognize abuse and that rapists must die no matter how you personally feel about them? I don’t know, it’s a sensitive issue and I’m fearful of letting my hatred for abusers (my own and otherwise) cause me to accidentally hurt victims.
Perhaps the punishment should be set after consultation with the victim. Sexual abuse absolutely must be punished and prevented though.
Not so much of a “view” as it is an action, but I unironically love buying army surplus stuff.
reform through forced labour is good, tho there is a clear distinction when it’s on a capitalist country and private individuals profit of the prisoners labour to when the prisoner labour is used to develop the country, like gulags in the USSR.
Gambling should be illegal
I’m just gonna say it, many of these really don’t feel like explicitly right wing ideals and more just “things that most people actually see are reasonable but like, wouldn’t be ok in a futuristic Star Trek level utopia,” but are things that many people will agree upon makes sense given the current material and social conditions of society.
And that’s a good thing thankfully, it would be pretty alarming if there were.
