• Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
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    The French public would have a called a general strike at minimum while the AmeriKans take it in the ass.

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      It’s working exactly as intended.

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    Of course, this is going to affect the working class first and worst. But stay with me here.

    My wife and I are what you’d call upper middle class. Thanks to our college education, union jobs in public agencies, and mostly being smart with money, our assets are not meager.

    Are you like me? Don’t think you’re exempt. They’re coming for our assets too. They want all of us living paycheck to paycheck, begging our employers to not fire us.

    What I’m saying is, the class struggle is everyone’s struggle. If you’re not a billionaire, you’re at risk. Act like it.

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      The #1 issue for all of us is Us versus Them. That’s it. There’s 1000 of them and 350 million of us.

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      Exactly. I don’t think I am poor but in there eyes, I am dirt poor. Anyone can’t afford a seat at their table are at peril.

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      I’m glad they’re coming for your assets.

      You have more than enough and should not receive even more while others have less, just like the billionaires you’re criticizing.

      Edit: All the people getting mad at this reality are the reason why we have to choose between clintons and trumps. As soon as someone threatens the wealth of neo-liberals, they immediately agree with conservatives.

      Greed and consumerism are the worst issues we face as a species. It makes sense most of you will react the way that you do when being forced to acknowledge your contribution to the problem.

      Now, who’s excited for the switch 2 and gta 6?

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        There’s a massive difference between well-off, or even wealthy (think a practicing doctor/dentist or small business entrepeneur) and billionaire.

        Saying ‘screw your savings’ to people like that is the conflict the billionare class wants, instead of everyone focusing on them.

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          Completely true.

          Do you know what the difference is between a millionaire and a billionaire?

          A billion dollars.

          There is really no comparison. Doctors, lawyers, tenured professors, even most CEOS are working class compared to the investor class.

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          No it’s not. A well off doctor in the U.S. has more disposable income and assets than ~97% of the worlds population, and is able to sustain their resulting material wealth as a function of economic labor exploitation of “developing” countries

          Y’all are just mad because Trump is kicking you down to hang with the rest of us poors.

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          Yeah. But this way he gets to be the most radical person in his peer group. Leftier than thou; regardless of the damage to the movement.

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          We should be starting at the billionaires and working our way down, but I also don’t care when consumerists and neo-liberals get theirs early.

          You have more than enough and should not receive even more while others have less, just like the billionaires you’re criticizing.

          This is the important part that you’re conveniently ignoring. Why should the person with a $400,000 house in suburbia be exempt from the redistribution of wealth while children starve? How much are they really contributing to the world to deserve that?

          You mention doctors and dentists, and I’d agree with you. They can keep their assets within reason.

          What about everyone else who isn’t in medicine? What about the people that aren’t easy for you to hide behind to justify your greed and consumerism?

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            Well off suburbanites should not be exempt from redistribution, but I. Doubt it will happen in a grand revolution.

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    Hey, yanks, until your centre right party (the Democrats) is willing to go all in and run candidates at all levels of government on the slogan of “The Largest Downward Transfer of Wealth in American History”, your far right party (the Republicans) will keep repeating this. But if it makes you feel better, go back to blaming Muslims in Michigan or whatever.

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      The democrats are in on it too and it doesn’t matter how many candidates they have politically aligned with the public’s best interest. I keep saying this but the only way to break out of this loop is for both parties to split and take a large chunk of resources with them with they do. They also need to eliminate the “CEO” position for any party and all vote for the primary candidates instead of making arbitrary decisions. I get it, you need a leadership for housekeeping reasons, but the current RNC and DNC CEO’s are not at all about housekeeping for the greater good. All of it is lip service while they take tax-free “political contributions” from all those shady “SuperPACS” . This is all wishful thinking and I’m just hear along for the ride in the billionaire made hand basket to hell.

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      The swing voters in the US is dumb as a brick.

      They care a lot more about “culture war” issues.

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        So make “tax the rich” a culture war thing. Left populism is a winning strategy too.

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          Left populism is a winning strategy too.

          Not if its surpressed in (social) media, unfortunately.

          As horrific as it sounds, the US very much needs a ‘Democrat Trump.’ But even that can’t happen in the current media environment. There are all sorts of proposals to address that, but the problem seems to be that people can’t help themselves and keep using Twitter, watching Fox, stay glued to Facebook or whatever.

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          How? The largest campaign that ever occurred for taxing the rich was occuring by AOC and Bernie around the U.S. The media will air something about Trump taking a green shit after drinking a blue slupee far more. It doesn’t matter until they switch the notion to something that threatens the media and their families lives more than likely. They own the media.

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            Don’t ask me, a random guy on the internet. Ask your elected representatives, your intellectuals, your think tanks. Your civil society, man, not some random Canadian online.

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    And let’s not forget. Tens of millions of magas, having witnessed the past few months, would vote him in again tomorrow if we gave them a do-over.

    As furious as I am at the oligarchs taking over every last thing, evil greedy bastards gonna evil greedy bastard.

    That anger pales in comparison to my rage at the tens of millions of my countrymen who dragged the rest of us into this fucking hellscape with them for no reasons beyond:

    -Ignorance

    -Hate

    The ratio of those varies from maga voter to maga voter, but IME those are pretty much the only two reasons I see for why they have condemened not only themselves but also the entire rest of the nation to life in this emerging dystopia. They’ve already killed people in this country with their vote, and the numbers will only go up.

    Yet somehow we all still have to go to work and get along every day, but I truly don’t care if I never see or speak to a single Trump voter ever again, and that includes so-called friends and family members. They are all dead to me, or as dead as familial and work obligations will allow. Every last one can choke on a bag of dicks and razor blades as far as I care.

    Edit - I beg you, random silent downvoter, to explain to me where I’ve gone wrong in the above.

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      You summarize it perfectly. I am so disheartened by my fellow countrymen. So put off that I left the country and have no intention of ever returning there to live. When I see someone like Klepper interview maga, it is always driven home just how absolutely stupid and ignorant maga are. It’s really no wonder he got elected again. trump is indeed the symptom not the disease. I think the Leopards Ate My Face communities do a grave injustice because I see such communities giving people the false impresssion that maga is “realizing” something. That couldn’t be further from the truth. Many of my progressive friends are stuck in the “surely they’re all waking up”, “surely he wouldn’t try to do that”, “surely he wouldn’t get elected again” cycle.

      I believe there is a third reason in addition to ignorance and hate: tribalism. whether it’s their religious tribe, or racial tribe, or sexuality tribe, conservatives tend to embrace tribalism more than anyone else. To them there are in groups and out groups. In groups that the law protects but does not bind, and out groups that the law binds but does not protect.

      Ignorance, tribalism, hate, xenophobia, intolerance have always been able to take root in the minds of the weak. But when the oligarchs realized that the ignoranti could be a powerful tool, they became a product. Those millions of maga people you mention have been and are groomed continually to be tools for enabling the transfer of wealth. They are groomed with fear, misinformation, manipulation, appeals to tribalism, and appeals to uncertainty. They are groomed so effectively that they groom themselves and their own children.

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      It’s called false consciousness. The workers are socialized through media, religion, and other social institutions, to identify with and support the ruling class. You see this in the way they adore Elmo Skum. I’ve known IT workers who bragged about the fancy car they basically bought for their manager.

      Yes, it’s a Marxist perspective. But Marx wasn’t wrong.

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      Can’t trust the random public anymore. It’s a real shame. There has been a massive shift in my perception of these people.

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    Considering the entire history of the US is one big upwards transfer of wealth, that is really saying something.

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    I really want this to be it. I want a big enough mass of freak conservative boomers to die off of old age and for the republicans to finally push everyone else hard enough that this country finally fucking snaps and swings left so hard that Reagan’s grave belches black smoke for a month. I hope we swing left so hard that all the Fox News assholes run bawling off to Russia, all the neoliberal dickheads move to their neoliberal paradise of [some offshore oil rig], and we end up fixing all kinds of shit that’s been broken for basically my entire life.

    I know it won’t; we’ll just get a bunch of working class republicans standing around the wreckage and mumbling “can you imagine how much worse it would have been under Biden?” to each other.

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      Apparently young people aren’t going to save us. Young men are farther right than the previous generation. Boomers aren’t listening to Joe Rogan.

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        Idk, it’s easy to get depressed about it, but I think that there’s another interpretation. It shows that Gen Z recognizes how fucked everything is, and recognize the urgent need for drastic change, which is what Donald promises, even if he’s a colossal piece of shit and the changes he promises are pure grift. Yeah, they’ve been taken in by the right, but only because the right has seized on the populist moment while the institutional left is still fretting about decorum, rank, seniority, process, and literally anything else before results. If the left gets out there and starts swinging for the fences, I think we can turn things around. So, of course, the democrats are preparing to rise to the occasion by offering Gavin Newsom and his plan to build the biggest bulldozers on earth for bulldozing the homeless.

        I think this is part of why Bernie was yelling at people to run for office. We need more options, more people who are willing to turn their back on the establishment, on the left.

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      I want a big enough mass of freak conservative boomers to die off of old age and for the republicans to finally push everyone else hard enough that this country finally fucking snaps and swings left so hard that Reagan’s grave belches black smoke for a month.

      Look at Mike Johnson’s face–he’s not dying for a long long time. Get over the idea that evil people are all old and you just need to wait for them to die, it’s not going to happen. New evil ones are born every day, they exist in every generation, they’ve been with us forever and will be with us forever.

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      The Largest Upward Transfer of Wealth in American History

      House Republicans voted to advance a bill that would offer lavish tax cuts for the rich while slashing benefits for the poor. By Jonathan Chait House Speaker Mike Johnson Kevin Dietsch / Getty May 22, 2025, 9:21 AM ET

      House Republicans worked through the night to advance a massive piece of legislation that might, if enacted, carry out the largest upward transfer of wealth in American history.

      That is not a side effect of the legislation, but its central purpose. The “big, beautiful bill” would pair huge cuts to food assistance and health insurance for low-income Americans with even larger tax cuts for affluent ones.

      Hakeem Jeffries, the House minority leader, warned that the bill’s passage, by a 215–214 margin, would mark the moment the Republicans ensured the loss of their majority in the midterm elections. That may be so. But the Republicans have not pursued this bill for political reasons. They are employing a majority that they suspect is temporary to enact deep changes to the social compact.

      The minority party always complains that the majority is “jamming through” major legislation, however deliberate the process may be. (During the year-long debate over the Affordable Care Act, Republicans farcically bemoaned the “rushed” process that consumed months of public hearings.) In this case, however, the indictment is undeniable. The House cemented the bill’s majority support with a series of last-minute changes whose effects have not been digested. The Congressional Budget Office has not even had time to calculate how many millions of Americans would lose health insurance, nor by how many trillions of dollars the deficit would increase.

      The heedlessness of the process is an indication of its underlying fanaticism. The members of the Republican majority are behaving not like traditional conservatives but like revolutionaries who, having seized power, believe they must smash up the old order as quickly as possible before the country recognizes what is happening.

      House Republicans are fully aware of the political and economic risks of this endeavor. Cutting taxes for the affluent is unpopular, and cutting Medicaid is even more so. That is why, instead of proudly proclaiming what the bill will accomplish, they are pretending it will do neither. House Republicans spent months warning of the political dangers of cutting Medicaid, a program that many of their own constituents rely on. The party’s response is to fall back on wordplay, pretending that their scheme of imposing complex work requirements, which are designed to cull eligible recipients who cannot navigate the paperwork burden, will not throw people off the program—when that is precisely the effect they are counting on to produce the necessary savings.

      The less predictable dangers of their plan are macroeconomic. The bill spikes the deficit, largely because it devotes more money to lining the pockets of lawyers and CEOs than it saves by immiserating fast-food employees and ride-share drivers. Massive deficit spending is not always bad, and in some circumstances (emergencies, or recessions) it can be smart and responsible. In the middle of an economic expansion, with a large structural deficit already built into the budget, it is deeply irresponsible.

      In recent years, deficit spending has been a political free ride. With interest rates high and rising, the situation has changed. Higher deficits oblige Washington to borrow more money, which can force it to pay investors higher interest rates to take on its debt, which in turn increases the deficit even more, as interest payments (now approaching $1 trillion a year) swell. The market could absorb a new equilibrium with a higher deficit, but that resolution is hardly assured. The compounding effect of higher debt leading to higher interest rates leading to higher debt can spin out of control.

      House Republicans have made clear they are aware of both the political and the economic dangers of their plan, because in the recent past, they have repeatedly warned about both. Their willingness to take them on is a measure of their profound commitment.

      And while the content of their beliefs can be questioned, the seriousness of their purpose cannot. Congressional Republicans are willing to endanger their hold on power to enact policy changes they believe in. And what they believe—what has been the party’s core moral foundation for decades—is that the government takes too much from the rich, and gives too much to the poor.

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      Senseless killing is a superficial solution. Organization is the sustainable, but less glamurous one.

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          Not with that attitude. Seems like MAGA succeeded in organizing sufficiently.

          What are you gonna do? Kill all CEOs? And then? Kill all politicians? And then? Police? Military? Dissidents? Do you just keep killing? How do you handle the resulting societal trauma?

          How exactly do you think any of that can achieve sustainable, progressive change?

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              So what do you propose? What are the logistics of it? How do you organize to take out enough systems to take over? What do you do afterwards?

              Life isn’t some fantastical action story, it’s the incredibly complex reality we all live in where a single person cannot fathom all the variables therein. You are not trying to understand, you are not trying to be effective, you’re just circle jerking in your fantasy world. And as long as many people keep doing that, living in some kind of hyper-real abstraction of reality, the people actually smart enough to organize and get into power will be able to do whatever they want. You’re just another enabler.

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                All you have is “organize” or “awareness.” Your action plan is as circle jerky as ours. My guess is you like the direction the country is going in.

                My personal solution is to get out of the house and watch it burn from the neighbor’s yard.

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                  I don’t live in your fash country and no, I absolutely despise the way your country is going in and pulling the rest of the world into hell :)

                  What I have is political activism in a leftist party where I am helping get new members and organizing various events teaching about democracy and its tools, amongst other things, as well as supporting other groups and bettering the local community.

                  What you have is fear and a desire to feel good about yourself whilst doing and achieving nothing. You’d rather fuck off than pull through on your mighty words - that’s also called cowardice.

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      Senseless killing is a superficial solution. Organization is the sustainable, but less glamorous one.

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      That’s okay.

      We’ll take the futures from their offspring.

      This will not go unpunished.

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        These faceless devils have finally sent the scale crashing down on us. That overstep is going to need a correction. Destroy corporate property every where you go. Burn it all down until the flames reach the heights of Musk and Buffet. A civilized future requires us to band against the oligarchs now.

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      The floodwaters can only be dammed so long before breaking free. Whether that happens via controlled release of pressure or a disastrous blow out is up to the people with the regulatory power. Their failure to address the tide can only end in their painful ruin. For their sake, they better have fast legs if they don’t grow some hearts.

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        It’s less that the regulators are failing to do their jobs and more that regulators are being given toddlers’ first toolset to do the job that requires some high end tools.

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          Sorry, my intent was to apply the label of “regulator” to the publicly elected officials and ghouls controlling the course of this legislation (i.e. regulating society). I are engineer, so sometimes I mix my lingo and analogies.