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Like even if there were no ads you’d learn how to help in a timely manner.
“What’s up guys! It’s me, your boy, MikeyMedic here with another video of a standard first aid technique, the Abdominal Thrusts!! Now the Abdominal Thrust is a standard first aid trick that is used to help someone when they’re choking 5 minutes on things you can choke on Speaking of food to choke on, our sponsor this week is FoodBox! 3 minutes of FoodBox ad Abdominal Thrusts used to be called the Heimlich Maneuver! Henry Heimlich was… 5 minute history on the Heimlich Maneuver and now I’m going to perform an abdominal thrust on my friend, Someguy420! Check out his videos on another 2 minutes for a partner plug and then 1 minute on how to perform abdominal thrusts And that’s how you perform an abdominal thrust! Be sure to check out my other videos. 3 minutes on other video content, liking and subscribing and hitting that bell.”
I would like to shill Sponsorblock, an extension where users can select sections of a video, mark them as “introduction” “non-music” or “sponsor” and it automatically skip those sections for other users who arrive at that video. It has made using Youtube so so so much smoother.
I would’ve read your comment l, but I’m using sponsorblock and it automatically blocked your comment.
I actually cannot stand watching YouTube without sponsorblock now…
No, how about you let creators make the little money that they can. Oh wait, you support piracy, that’s right.
Creators get their sponsor money when the video goes up. Skipping that part doesn’t hurt them at all
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You can use revanced with premium
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They wouldn’t make money from me either way because I never buy stuff based on video sponsorships.
Truth is, they get paid whether you watch the sponsored segment or not. Unlike pre-, mid- and post-roll ads which do not pay creators if they’re blocked (doesn’t stop me from blocking ads, but I support where I can, such as via merch purchases, using sponsor codes or watching exclusively on Nebula for creators who are on Nebula)
Didn’t know that. But it’s still honorable to support them.
Damn right, fuck capitalism
It’s not called Heimlich anymore? I guess i have to watch some MikeyMedic videos…
Heimlich started trying to discredit back blows without any evidence and was being kinda a dick about it, so the Red Cross renamed the “Heimlich Maneuver” to “Abdominal Thrusts.”
Sounds like the title of a weird and intense Grey’s Anatomy fanfic
Thoracic surgeon and medical researcher Henry Heimlich, noted for promulgating abdominal thrusts, claimed that back slaps were proven to cause death by lodging foreign objects into the windpipe. A 1982 Yale study by Day, DuBois, and Crelin that persuaded the American Heart Association to stop recommending back blows for dealing with choking was partially funded by Heimlich’s own foundation. According to Dr. Roger White of the Mayo Clinic and American Heart Association (AHA), “There was never any science here. Heimlich overpowered science all along the way with his slick tactics and intimidation, and everyone, including us at the AHA, caved in.”
Heimlich’s son, Peter M. Heimlich, alleges that in August 1974 his father published the first of a series of fraudulent case reports in order to promote the use of abdominal thrusts for near-drowning rescue.
In May 2016, Henry Heimlich, then age 96, claimed to have personally used the maneuver to save the life of a fellow resident at his retirement home in Cincinnati. It was alleged to be either the first or second time Heimlich himself used his namesake maneuver to save the life of someone in a non-simulated choking situation. According to Heimlich’s son, Peter M. Heimlich, “both ‘rescues’ were bogus.”
…well, damn.
If I remember correctly from my first aid training, the Heimlich family themselves asked for it not to be called that, possibly to avoid being implicated in instances of it going wrong! Or possibly my first aid instructor was full of shit… :-)
Literally what youtube has become.
Friends, if you haven’t already done so: Adblocker + Sponsorblock = sanity.
Don’t forget the 5 minute request before you’ve even seen the start of what you’re interested in that you like, subscribe, and request notifications
Damn, it’s like i just finished watching pretty much any YouTube video.
Abdominal Thrust is a standard first aid trick
I would have switched off and gone to find another video at this point.
What do you propose? As far as I know (the consensus changes alle the time but) they are recommended if you have no other options.
The linked page recommends chest thrusts and back blows.
I appreciate the content creators who at least mark the sponsorship segment on the timeline so I know where to skip to.
There’s SponsorBlock, which is community-driven and autoskips pretty much every big youtuber’s sponsors.
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“Sorry your gran’s dead, but you can get YouTube Premium for £12.99 a month for an ad-free experience.”
Cyberpunk isn’t too far off…
Of course not. Cyberpunk and tech noir usually isn’t just about the future, it’s arguably about now. More generally, science fiction is often used as a ‘safe’ way to criticise existing society or say what can’t otherwise be said.
Prime example: Tarkovski’s science fiction films (Stalker, Solaris, …), which smuggled very religious themes past the soviet censor, because ‘it’s only science fiction’.
Make a movie glorifying terrorism? Likely jail sentence and on a list. Make a movie glorifying a terrorist that blows up parliament in a dystopian future? Cult classic.
Make a movie which compares American nationalism to the nazis? You’ll never work in Hollywood again. Make it about humans fighting space aliens? Would you like to know more?
Make a movie about how capitalists indoctrinate us all via advertising? You filthy communist! Make a movie about how aliens indoctrinate us all via advertising? They Live, John Carpenter, cult classic.
Make a movie about transitioning? No thanks. Make a movie about freeing yourself from the Matrix with the help of a red pill which looks a lot like the hormone pills the directors used to transition? Become a millionaire.
Make a tv episode where one of the main cast has a sexual relationship with a trans character, who is later forced to undergo gender reaffirming therapy in 1992? Impossible. Make it about Riker having a relationship with an alien who’s not androgynous because her race finds gender weird? Prime time tv.
Make a tv programme about the guilt of a Nazi who worked in a camp while the Jews were being exterminated? No way that’s happening. Make a tv programme about the guilt of a space alien who worked in a camp while other space aliens were being exterminated? That particular Star Trek episode was broadcast in prime time, to wide acclaim.
For this reason, and on a related note, anyone who complains about a science fiction show or movie being ‘too political’ is more often than not a moron and/or disingenious.
Scifi has always been about sociological commentary.
This is a very well written take. Have my upvote.
The Matrix comment there gave me a moment of sudden clarity. Literally never considered that interpretation until now.
I remember when cyberpunk’s vision of the future was grounded in ridiculous cynicism instead of a charitable assessment of reality.
Your grandmother is choking. YouTube believes in preventing elder abuse. You are an unfit guardian. Your grandmother will be put in the custody of YouTube. YouTube: “Fuck you, I’m streaming.”
I hate that I read it in the exact voice from the movie. Thanks
Would you like to watch another EPIC IPHONE 15 PRO MAX DROP TEST FAIL video?
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“Welcome to X.com. I love you”
I like X too, we should hang out!
Lol I can’t tell if that was a real reply. I assume it’s a satire account?
The real Mildly Infuriating is that someone directly copied one of Stephen Merchant’s tweets word for word.
YouTube is not Wikipedia or fucking EMS
As true as that is, in an emergency people don’t always have time to seek out professional help, and it ain’t like calling 911 will magically make an ambulance appear in 30 seconds.
Also, the Institute Of Human Anatomy actually has a YouTube channel…
911 dispatchers are trained and certified to provide concise and accurate medically reviewed instructions over the phone so that you are not just standing there waiting for the ambulance.
Kids hate talking on the phone so much they’d rather get help from YouTube than call 911.
That’s only partially a joke.
Disclaimer: I’m not even upset at your partial joke. I totally get your point.
With that said, back in 1995, I had to ride my bike down the road in the middle of the night to wake a cop up, because we didn’t even own a phone at the time. I was only 13 at the time.
My mom had overdosed on a full bottle of Ellivile (Amitriptyline) and was foaming at the mouth. It took me like 10 minutes to get down the road, 10 minutes to wake him up, 45 minutes for the ambulance to arrive, and another hour and a half for the tow truck to come get the ambulance out of the muddy ditch after they got stuck.
It’s an absolute miracle she lived at all. It would also have saved us lots of risk of losing her if I only knew of something around the house fairly safe to make her vomit the stuff up.
TL;DR - I learned you can’t count on 911 to arrive in any timely manner, especially when they don’t know how to drive a big truck over muddy roads.
I would have actually been better off asking the internet how to induce vomiting than waiting over 2 hours for an ambulance. Too bad that service wasn’t an advanced and readily available thing at the time.
They should also be able to rapidly provide instructional video in the year 2023
That seems unnecessary. You have them on the phone and they have the ability to guide you through it. It’s not like they should have to text or email you that information. You aren’t guaranteed to have a data signal or be on a cell phone or something to receive a text or email.
I don’t really agree at all.
The overwhelming majority of people are going to be calling from a cell phone with data access now. It’s time to consider including data access to emergency services w/ emergency roaming functionally just like we do with calls and sms. A system can and should be built out to provide emergency gps, video + information services like we described and live video calls. We have the technology we just have to cut through bureaucracy.
Providing advanced smartphone functionality in emergencies could be hugely beneficial.
I think they mean that EMS will guide you through it over the phone.
True that. Some people happen to be better visual learners though. Not saying I’d jump straight to YouTube, I’d most likely be calling 911 myself, but yeah when people go into panic mode they don’t always think clearly.
I actually asked my roommate what he’d do, and he suggested eating a piece of bread to help it go down. I dunno, makes sense to me, seems like that should do the trick.
Not to mention that some people post an instagram status first before calling an emergency number. Seems to happen often with car accidents
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You know what would magically appear in 30 seconds tho? A Google images search. Not sure why people need a video when Heimlich posters have been doing the job for decades and are easily found online
Google would just as soon post a page of sponsored content first and try to sell you a poster, so we’re kinda back to the same sort of problem.
If anything for an online search, DuckDuckGo…
Don’t ads only show on monetized video?
One would think that that’s the case, but youtube will happily show you ads on videos they themselves deemed not advertiser friendly. The creator simply doesn’t receive any money.
Sometimes they show even if you don’t monetize your videos
“hold up a minute, I need to support Wikipedia with my yearly $3 donation. it just popped up and I will forget.”
dies
(though you should help keep the lights on at wp so I guess gran had a good run)
If you can’t scroll past the ad I doubt you’d be able to scroll to the section with instructions
I think the correct answer might actually be Wikihow
But if you scroll past, you’ll forget and Wikipedia will die.
It’s granny or the wiki. The fate of humanity is in your hands. You know what you have to do.
should have been an ad blocker it’s 2023.
YouTube just started noticing my ad blocker and throwing pop-ups before video telling me to cut it out
Time to use Invidious. inv.tux.pizza works for me.
I’ll save this thread so I know where to look next time grandma chokes on a bone.
Been using freetube with invidious backend. Works great!
Ublock Origin?
On Firefox with uBO I think it plays sound but not video. I usually watch it on my smart TV I’m ashamed to say but I’ve noticed this on my desktop recently. Maybe a one off or I wasn’t paying attention.
Well I’m sure everybody here on Lemmy already uses ublock. The rest of society doesn’t really know all these methods
Adblocking on mobile is much harder than adblocking on desktop, and if you’re in an emergency situation like the one described, you’re more likely on your phone.
Personally I use ReVanced, which incorporates adblocking as well as giving you Premium features like background playing & PIP (while also keeping the benefits of being signed in to YT, like using your playlists, comments, etc.). But if I were an iPhone user I don’t know how I would watch YouTube.
Revanced is complicated because you first need to find a compatible YouTube version (old version) and download it’s APK. Then, you need to uninstall YouTube, apply Revanced to the downloaded APK and then install it Only to discover the Cast button was removed by Revanced. When you start over, deselect “remove cast button from video player”, you still end up without it.
I can’t even cast to SmartTubeNext on AndroidTV…
Way too complex and too limiting for 99.99% of YouTube watchers.
Maybe NewPipe is something for you, as it has most of the features mentioned above and is easy to install via F-Droid. I’m using it for years now and really love it!
NewPipe does not have cast functionality and doesn’t include Sponsorblock.
I think there even is an app called “NewPipe Sponsorblock” on F-Droid but I dunno about the cast function.
Not only do you need to do all that but sometimes it still doesn’t work. I get an error every time I try to patch the apk and it fails. I just gave up and went back to NewPipe. It’s not as feature rich but it works great for the one-off videos I watch.
For sure, ReVanced is complicated. But that only serves to reinforce my point, which was that adblocking YouTube on mobile is hard. I only brought it up myself to stop people "um actually"ing me and pointing out that ReVanced exists.
Then, you need to uninstall YouTube
Fwiw, no you don’t. I have both ReVanced and the standard YouTube installed right now, precisely because of the casting issue you mentioned.
My experience has been a little different though. Mine had the cast icon until I went in and specifically turned it off. Which I did because casting doesn’t work. It didn’t work for most of the life of the old YouTube Vanced either. Unfortunately it just seems like Chromecast compatibility is harder for them to replicate through the hacked YouTube client.
Revanced has an app and works like ok.
The only app revanced has is the “revanced manager”, which requires you to manually download a youtube apk and then patch it yourself. Any finished revanced youtube client you find online is done by a third party and is very risky to use.
Your phone can cast its screen without youtube being part of it. Its not as smooth as you have to orientate your phone to landscape to match with your tv but it works without the need for a built in cast button. Plus it has the advantage of being able to cast anything, not just youtube
Miracast isn’t supported on a lot of Android devices. Google naturally removed it in favor of their own Chromecast solution
Is that just on pixel phones? Im pretty sure thats just pixels. Miracsst is possible via some third party apps.
My lg tv allows screen casting via the lgtv app for example. Would that work on a pixel?
It’s been a while since I looked into it. Last I did it literally required a kernel module or something else kernel level to work, and some manufacturers re-add it but others don’t. I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s now possible from userland, but ya never know
That’s not casting dude, you are describing screen mirroring, which is a completely different kind of experience. Why tf would you even do mirroring if you can simply cast. This is a really strange reply.
Because they cant cast, as they described.
Incidentally i know the difference between casting and screen mirroring. I also know the words are almost interchangabke and depending on the make of your phone the screen mirror will actually be called mirror-casting or screen casting.
I also clearly stated some of the differences in experience in my comment.
Also screen mirroring is, in my opinion, superior to casting because i dont have to open a different session to cast when switching app. Eg if i play a video feom youtube and then swap to a streaming service like netflix. Or maybe i want to view twitch. I dont have to stop casting one and start the other.
I accept there are advantages to both. But its app specific. Like in youtube i can csst and then leave the app and continue using my phone. But the experience is different in other apps.
So no… not a strange reply.
A helpful and considered reply…
agreed but it’s still shocking to me how people put up with so many ads it’s absolutely indegestable.
How does one become an ad blocker?
you only blink when there are ads
Third party websites fix that problem. Also why are you looking up videos. Call emergency services.
Sorry Gran, EMS is 20 minutes out. Hope you’ve been practicing holding your breath.
Yes, but 911 will provide pre-approval instructions for you and also start EMS
Source- am a 911 dispatcher
That said, a lot of our instructions fall a bit short of what you would learn from pretty much any first aid class, and we’re not really allowed to deviate from our approved instructions for liability reasons. So if you’re able to, everyone take some first aid classes. At the very least, you don’t want the first time you’re learning something to be in an actual emergency situation
I posted that as a joke but being serious, I got my Wilderness First Responder cert last year and honestly believe that these are skills I should have learned in high school. It was only a three week course but it gave such great information and preparation that it should be standard in education. The 911 operator I engaged with relayed information to and from the EMS that was heading to the site and I don’t think anyone is really going to use YouTube or similar for this purpose. Chances are, if they need YouTube, they are probably panicking and if not, then the operator can relay basics. Good on you for doing a damn hard job I know I couldn’t pull off.
How’s the pay? Enough to make up for probable trauma?
The pay could definitely be better, but the benefits are solid, and I like the hours (at my agency they’re 12 hour days, but you work less days overall.) I’m certainly not rolling in it, but I’m making enough to cover my bills without too much worry. And overall I enjoy my job, it’s always interesting, it feels good to be helping my community, and it’s air conditioned (none of which applied to my previous job working in a warehouse)
Everyone experiences and deals with trauma and stress differently, and not that it doesn’t or can’t happen but I think people who are particularly susceptible to dealing with it poorly tend to weed themselves out of this job pretty fast, usually before they even apply.
I think I deal with it pretty well, stuff doesn’t tend to stick with me, I have a pretty good support system at home, etc. I’ve been here for almost 5 years, and I feel like I’m set for another 20 years, if I leave here I don’t think it will be stress, burnout, trauma, etc. that makes me leave, but finding a better paying job somewhere (but honestly it would be probably one I wouldn’t enjoy as much, I probably could have found a higher paying job if I wanted to but short of being an eccentric millionaire, I don’t know that there are many jobs out there that I’d rather have)
Something I like to put out there whenever this comes up, is that in general we tend to be classified as clerical staff, and getting us reclassified as first responders could help get us better pay, access to different benefits, etc. A few states have done it, and there is/was a bill (the 911 SAVES act) that would have reclassified us at the federal level. So if thats something you support, consider writing a letter to your elected officials supporting it.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. I’m Canadian but hopefully you guys can get reclassed soon.
Ah, someone with knowledge and experience in the field 👍
Can we ask, what would you suggest, assuming the Heimlich Maneuver has already been tried but didn’t work because the bone is sharp and stuck?
Needle nose pliers? Running out of time here…
So first of all, I’m not a medical professional nor am I certified as a CPR instructor, I have a lot more training and experience than the average person, but still take my advice for what it’s worth.
So first of all, most of the time unless someone was trying to hork down a whole fish head or something, most fish bones in most circumstances aren’t going to really obstruct a person’s airway enough to asphyxiate them. It’s going to uncomfortable as fuck, but they’re not in immediate danger of dying. If they’re able to talk, cough, make noises, etc. which I’m pretty sure is the majority of fish bone choking cases, you’re not even going to do the heimlich, it probably wouldn’t work anyway, you’re probably not going to get enough pressure behind that fish bone to pop it out since air is moving around it. Encourage them to try to cough it up themselves, don’t give them anything else to eat or drink, try to keep them calm, and if that doesn’t work, get them to a doctor.
If they aren’t able to make any noise then you’re going to keep doing the heimlich until they pass out, at which point you switch to cpr, and you keep at it until the ambulance gets there and takes over. Call 911 first, even if your able to get in up with the heimlich you want to have the ambulance already on the way if they pass out even if it’s not necessary in the end.
Unless you can see the obstruction and can sweep it out with your fingers, don’t go sticking anything in their mouth, you’re probably not going to get it, and you might cause more damage.
Have you tried turning it off and back on again?
Genius! How long should I leave it turned off?..
By now, it doesn’t really matter anymore. Let me patch you through to legal.
To be fair, the people at 911 probably give better instructions than a Youtube Video.
They can give you directions over the phone
“Here’s a cool Veritasium video with techniques on holding your breath – learn fast, gran!”
Then Gran will die anyway as soon as she sees the bill
Haha TeamYouTube response is classical idiocracy… “Just pay us more and we may be better” :)
“Pay us, or your grandma can choke to death. Your choice!”
…pf.
This repost needs more jpeg
I just want a picture of a goddang hotdog
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Ah give Granny a tracheotomy, clever.
How’s piped compare to revanced?
Piped is a totally separate website mostly designed to avoid YouTube tracking you.
Revanced is a modified version of the YouTube app that makes some changes but otherwise keeps most of Google’s code intact.
Does piped have an app?
ReVanced lets you sign in so you can do things like thumbs up/down videos (it also comes with “Return YouTube Dislike” so you can see downvote ratios), interact with your playlists like Watch Later, and comment. Piped, to my knowledge, does not.
I’m not sure where Piped stands on PIP and background playback. ReVanced gives you both of them, but if I had to guess I’d say it’s likely that Piped will support PIP but not background playback, since it seems like PIP is something Android lets you have nearly for free (in terms of developer effort) but background playback seems to need more work to support.
I’m more of a uBO and NewPipe user, myself. Piped is a front-end site yeah?
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Maybe learn basic first aid before someone is dying.
Even if someone already knows how to do the Heimlich Maneuver, is that really going to be effective when someone is choking on a fish bone that’s almost certainly sharp and stuck in there?
A fine fish bone is also not big enough to block the airway by itself. Heimlich can clear enough of whatever is stuck with the bone to at least partially open the airway.
I guess you do have a point there, would have to be a larger fish bone to totally block the airway.
My roommate suggested to eat a piece of bread to help it go down. I dunno, seems like that should work, but if it didn’t then that seems like it would make matters worse.
I got a fish bone stuck in my throat when I was a kid. My mother tried pulling it out with her fingers, tried pliers, and when that wasn’t working, she then called the hospital (back when you were allowed to do that, now we have to call Telehealth). The person who she spoke to told her to make some well done toast and have me eat it. Worked perfectly. The toast, once chewed, wraps around the bone and gums it up so it passes through your digestive system.
Then call emergency services, don’t go to youtube.
“your call is very important to us. we are experiencing higher than normal call volumes. please stay on the line.”
Actually almost a true transcript for what you get when you call 911 in my metropolis and surrounding areas (I’ve called for family members several times). Then once you finally connect to someone and ems shows up, they can be completely braindead workers; a few years ago I correctly identified that I was having a stroke, got help, they called 911, ems came, and refused to transport for over 10 minutes (so I’ve been told by family) after arrival. I’m now permanently disabled with severe physical, cognitive, and vision losses because literally time is the most important factor. Emergency services can be actually worse than useless.
It would not surprise me in the slightest if they arrive just to say “do we actually know if she is choking? maybe she’s just faking for attention.” or some equally useless conclusion.
I’m not saying YT is the best option, nor am I saying it’s the worst. But in such situations, sometimes it’s easier to visually see what to do than to have someone try talking you through it over the phone. Not like an ambulance is gonna magically appear in 30 seconds ya know.
Besides, what’s the 911 operator gonna tell you that’ll help in a pinch?
911: Have you tried the Heimlich Maneuver?
Me: Yes but it’s a sharp bone and it’s stuck!
911: Do you have any needle nose pliers? Try to reach in and grab it. We’ll send an ambulance, but it’ll be about 20 minutes before they arrive…
While Grandma is over there turning blue.
I’d rather be talked through it by a 911 operator than have to wait until after the sponsor and bending told to like and subscribe.
Indeed, I totally agree.
Even if someone already knows how to do the Heimlich Maneuver
FWIW, abdominal thrusts are not recommended for choking due to considerable evidence that it can cause harm. “Abdominal thrusts” is the more formal term for what’s sometimes called the Heimlich Manoeuvre. Use chest thrusts instead.
I might just be old fashioned enough to think that YouTube probably shouldn’t be your first stop in an emergency.
The best time to learn emergency lifesaving procedures is before you need them, but the second best time is when you need them. Being old fashioned about this could cost a life.
If you have a quicker reference people should bookmark for such cases, the kind thing would be to share it rather than judge. Else, panicking people will inevitably go where they know they can usually get fast instruction about any other topic.
A fish bone would most likely not obstuct grandma’s breathing anyway, heimlich wouldn’t help.
tldr; typical false Tw strawman. gma died because you thought you could learn cpr as a youtube download in 10 seconds. try again
This is a rare example of a situation in which an ad blocker would maybe have saved a life…
Depends if you believe in life by statistics…
Just using the data from sponsor block, the community crowdsourced video embedded ad skipper…
There are currently 13,033,165 users who have submitted 15,198,718 skip segments, which have saved a total of 2001 years and 38.56 days of people’s lives.
2001 years / 75 years average per life equals 26 lives saved
Sponsor block alone has saved 26 lives worth of time…
It would be pretty challenging to implement a feature that removed ads only before first aid videos.
They could just do it manually from top results for relevant searches. Not fair (wouldn’t get most of them) but better than the current status
They could just de-monetize medical channels
How do you know what is a medical channel programmatically?
…idk, maybe a whitelist?
Perhaps they could just add a toggle for the uploader that made sure no ads play in front of the video
They could easily just postpone ads for all videos. Most instances could save some vital/fascinating information until after the ad, but the CPR basics could be summarized quickly before the ad. By then your hands are fully engaged so you have to let the ad play, and afterwards you can learn about the depressing statistics of anyone surviving, much less recovering fully.
